...and it could have been even better if we'd have won a few more of those tight ones we lost.
This year isn't over but...so looking forward to 2015-2016!!!
This year isn't over but...so looking forward to 2015-2016!!!
B10 5th: Not bad for an "Off" year
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Overall a good showing, all things considered. Hopefully the guys that are nicked up can get healthy and the officials that were absolutely horrendous get weeded out and aren't allowed in the door at Nationals...If those ridiculous calls don't happen we finish a good bit higher in both weight classes.
I disagree. The tournament was pretty disappointing, although pretty much in line with what we have been seeing all year and what I've expected given this season's results. I guess I was just hoping for a better postseason showing as a fan.
5th in the B10 might be pretty good for some programs, but we just won 4 national championships in a row. If we were at least in the battle for 3rd it would have been a nice tournament performance.
Some goods:
Morgan - hopefully now gets the #3 seed at least in St. Louis and keeps him away from Cox till the finals. Much rather deal with Gadsen. I really didn't think he could be a finalist this year and he is far from a lock, but I wouldn't count him out.
Brown - it really looks like he has made himself the clear #2 and he should have Evans in the semis - which I think is the best matchup for him to go to finals.
JC - probably going to be seeded 9th or 10th and he should have a good shot at the quarters. I'm thinking Boyle, Klimara or Delgado in the R16 which is definitely doable.
Some bads:
Moss' performance which is may really be trouble for 2016 if a rumor I heard this weekend from a VERY credible source comes to fruition.
JG just can't seem to turn the corner.
We are going to have to get a WHOLE lot better in the next 12 months if the 2016 NC that everybody is counting on is coming back to State College. The guys coming back/coming off RS aren't just going to do it by themselves.
5th in the B10 might be pretty good for some programs, but we just won 4 national championships in a row. If we were at least in the battle for 3rd it would have been a nice tournament performance.
Some goods:
Morgan - hopefully now gets the #3 seed at least in St. Louis and keeps him away from Cox till the finals. Much rather deal with Gadsen. I really didn't think he could be a finalist this year and he is far from a lock, but I wouldn't count him out.
Brown - it really looks like he has made himself the clear #2 and he should have Evans in the semis - which I think is the best matchup for him to go to finals.
JC - probably going to be seeded 9th or 10th and he should have a good shot at the quarters. I'm thinking Boyle, Klimara or Delgado in the R16 which is definitely doable.
Some bads:
Moss' performance which is may really be trouble for 2016 if a rumor I heard this weekend from a VERY credible source comes to fruition.
JG just can't seem to turn the corner.
We are going to have to get a WHOLE lot better in the next 12 months if the 2016 NC that everybody is counting on is coming back to State College. The guys coming back/coming off RS aren't just going to do it by themselves.
I dunno. A lot of frosh champions...
particularly from Ohio. Not 2015 but maybe 2016? Anyway, it appears the Illini's Martinez is one of those once-in-a-decade type wrestlers; cut in the same mold as Taylor, Ruth, Dake and Steiber. You know, the type who raises their game to an art. Just wondering when our next artist will arrive.
particularly from Ohio. Not 2015 but maybe 2016? Anyway, it appears the Illini's Martinez is one of those once-in-a-decade type wrestlers; cut in the same mold as Taylor, Ruth, Dake and Steiber. You know, the type who raises their game to an art. Just wondering when our next artist will arrive.
Agree, pretty disappointing tourney overall, even knowing this....
was going to be a rebuilding year. I was pleased to see Cutch finally break through, great job! I hope he recovers in time for Nationals. McIntosh was nails - he wrestled about perfectly in the finals against a tough opponent (Can Snyder maintain 197 for three more years??). I was also proud of the way Matt Brown went for it in the final. He was in on several shots but unfortunately came out on the wrong side. But at least he went for it (unlike Evans who I don't believe had a single takedown in the tournament). Gulibon and Beitz are just wildly inconsistent. They both need to turn the corner. The rest of the guys finished about where I expected, I guess. At the end of the day, being tough, conditioned and fundamentally sound isn't enough. You need freak athletes to win BIGs and Nationals.
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was going to be a rebuilding year. I was pleased to see Cutch finally break through, great job! I hope he recovers in time for Nationals. McIntosh was nails - he wrestled about perfectly in the finals against a tough opponent (Can Snyder maintain 197 for three more years??). I was also proud of the way Matt Brown went for it in the final. He was in on several shots but unfortunately came out on the wrong side. But at least he went for it (unlike Evans who I don't believe had a single takedown in the tournament). Gulibon and Beitz are just wildly inconsistent. They both need to turn the corner. The rest of the guys finished about where I expected, I guess. At the end of the day, being tough, conditioned and fundamentally sound isn't enough. You need freak athletes to win BIGs and Nationals.
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Here's how I see it:
125 - Conaway wrestled really well. He wrestled above seed and could have very well wrestled in the final if not for a tough loss to Gilman. He appears to be peaking at the right time.
133 - Jimmy is right there. I don't usually blame results on officiating, but he literally had two matches taken away by poor calls. The match Taylor should have never went to OT; the stalling call were way out of line with the rest of the tourney. Also the Stalemate call in the Richards match was HORRIBLE. Jimmy was in deep, improving hos position, had one leg under control, grabbed Richards' hip working toward getting the ankle on the second leg and the ref called a stalemate. Absolutely abysmal. The one thing Jimmy needs to do is keeo his intensity up and I still believe he can finish top 3 at nationals.
141 - Moss wrestled as expected. No change from the regular season.
149 - Beitz wrestled above seed. Lost a tough, close decision to Steiber; the only knock on this match is that Zach had it in the bag if he can just hold on to Hunter for 17 seconds. He seems to struggle with that when wrestling the better guys. The Pantaleo match was a little frustrating in that he never mixed his shots up, just kept grabbing for the ankle pick. The ref in that match again watched Pantaleo back-up for the entire 3rd period without a stalling call until the very end of the 3rd period...at that point why even call it? Zach has a chance to AA, especially if Hunter Steiber can't go at Nationals; having said this Zach is at the point where he can beat him head to head.
157 - Luke Frey gave us a couple of wins. Not bad for a last minute fill-in.
165 - Hammond was really the only one I was disappointed with. After getting pinned in a headscratcher by Walsh, he never seemed to recover mentally. Not sure what he was thinkng when he cut Moore in the place match; he gave that up way too easily.
174 - Matt Brown wrestled extremely well again. He has Evans' number. He just needs to figure out how to prevent/limit Kokesh's scrambling. Other than that, he will be the number 2 seed at Nationals, so he's in a great spot to get another shot at the title.
184 - McCutcheon wrestled out of his mind. I would have never expected that. He beat #9, #15 by major and #23. Lost a close one to Pfarr #14. I hope his injury is healed by Nationals.
197 - McIntosh. The CHAMP! wrestled great and avenged an earlier loss to Snyder. He should get the #2 seed at Nationals with that win, but #3 at worst.
285 - Jimmy would have wrestled to seed if not for the injury. Did not like his approach to the Telford match; he needs to win it with offense in the 1st period. If he lets it go to riding time, he has historically lost that battle everytime. Loved his approach to Adam Coon, came out aggressive early and got the TD, only problem is he got injured in the process. After that, he couldn't battle with Coon. No telling what would have happened without the injury. Again, I hope he's healed up for Nationals.
Again, the only one that disappointed me was Hammond. He just sort of fell apart after the Walsh match. I'm not sure how you can really be disappointed with the rest of the team when compared to expectations coming in.
125 - Conaway wrestled really well. He wrestled above seed and could have very well wrestled in the final if not for a tough loss to Gilman. He appears to be peaking at the right time.
133 - Jimmy is right there. I don't usually blame results on officiating, but he literally had two matches taken away by poor calls. The match Taylor should have never went to OT; the stalling call were way out of line with the rest of the tourney. Also the Stalemate call in the Richards match was HORRIBLE. Jimmy was in deep, improving hos position, had one leg under control, grabbed Richards' hip working toward getting the ankle on the second leg and the ref called a stalemate. Absolutely abysmal. The one thing Jimmy needs to do is keeo his intensity up and I still believe he can finish top 3 at nationals.
141 - Moss wrestled as expected. No change from the regular season.
149 - Beitz wrestled above seed. Lost a tough, close decision to Steiber; the only knock on this match is that Zach had it in the bag if he can just hold on to Hunter for 17 seconds. He seems to struggle with that when wrestling the better guys. The Pantaleo match was a little frustrating in that he never mixed his shots up, just kept grabbing for the ankle pick. The ref in that match again watched Pantaleo back-up for the entire 3rd period without a stalling call until the very end of the 3rd period...at that point why even call it? Zach has a chance to AA, especially if Hunter Steiber can't go at Nationals; having said this Zach is at the point where he can beat him head to head.
157 - Luke Frey gave us a couple of wins. Not bad for a last minute fill-in.
165 - Hammond was really the only one I was disappointed with. After getting pinned in a headscratcher by Walsh, he never seemed to recover mentally. Not sure what he was thinkng when he cut Moore in the place match; he gave that up way too easily.
174 - Matt Brown wrestled extremely well again. He has Evans' number. He just needs to figure out how to prevent/limit Kokesh's scrambling. Other than that, he will be the number 2 seed at Nationals, so he's in a great spot to get another shot at the title.
184 - McCutcheon wrestled out of his mind. I would have never expected that. He beat #9, #15 by major and #23. Lost a close one to Pfarr #14. I hope his injury is healed by Nationals.
197 - McIntosh. The CHAMP! wrestled great and avenged an earlier loss to Snyder. He should get the #2 seed at Nationals with that win, but #3 at worst.
285 - Jimmy would have wrestled to seed if not for the injury. Did not like his approach to the Telford match; he needs to win it with offense in the 1st period. If he lets it go to riding time, he has historically lost that battle everytime. Loved his approach to Adam Coon, came out aggressive early and got the TD, only problem is he got injured in the process. After that, he couldn't battle with Coon. No telling what would have happened without the injury. Again, I hope he's healed up for Nationals.
Again, the only one that disappointed me was Hammond. He just sort of fell apart after the Walsh match. I'm not sure how you can really be disappointed with the rest of the team when compared to expectations coming in.
You are on line about Martinez.
What an impressive wrestler. I have been fantasizing about our own RS freshman next year, but he has a steep climb with the Illinois kid.
What an impressive wrestler. I have been fantasizing about our own RS freshman next year, but he has a steep climb with the Illinois kid.
What is the rumor about Zain??????
I hate these grenade tosses when the tosser figuratively shuts the door and runs away.
Injury, trouble, Oly redshirt????
I hate these grenade tosses when the tosser figuratively shuts the door and runs away.
Injury, trouble, Oly redshirt????
Sorry, was away from the board right after posting.
This is nowhere near set in stone, but suffice to say it has been rumored that 141 may not be ZR's weight next year. Just heard it from a guy who usually knows what's going on and he has heard it a couple times.
It's way early, so I doubt anyone, even Zain, knows where he is going next year, but the fact that this is getting bandied about now, well...I guess maybe the lineup that looked so set next year, maybe is not so set.
This is nowhere near set in stone, but suffice to say it has been rumored that 141 may not be ZR's weight next year. Just heard it from a guy who usually knows what's going on and he has heard it a couple times.
It's way early, so I doubt anyone, even Zain, knows where he is going next year, but the fact that this is getting bandied about now, well...I guess maybe the lineup that looked so set next year, maybe is not so set.
Come on, diceman99**edit....explained above
If you didn't intend to reveal anything, you should have skipped the reference. It's not good style.
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Since you've gone this far, give us a better idea of what you're talking about.
If you didn't intend to reveal anything, you should have skipped the reference. It's not good style.
This post was edited on 3/8 11:00 PM by royboy
Not to be a downer, but:
125 - JC is wrestling like he has all season. Didn't see any change in B1Gs, best thing was now I think his seed can get him to the quarters which reduces the amount of 1 point matches he needs to win to get on the podium
133 - Again, JG just seems to be the same to me. Just when he gets a win where you think he is turning the corner, here comes the heartbreaker
141 - Moss performance was dissappointing
149 - Zack wrestled above seed, but again pretty much the same way he did all season.
157 - Can't say anything bad about Frey, filled in up a weight admirably. Tough situation at 157 counting on a guy coming off his 2nd shoulder surgery in Dylan, which I posted 4 months ago.
165 - Hammond wrestled about the same he did all season
174 - Matt is great. Kokesh might be a little better, but Matt did what he needed to get seeded in a position to go to the finals.
184 - McCutcheon had a nice win against Brooks. Bummer he got hurt. His other matches weren't really out of character with the performances he has put up this season. I'd hold off calling it a breakthrough until next week..
197 - Best job of the tournament by Morgan. Sets his seed up nicely for nationals.
285 - JL wrestled pretty much the same he has all season. Basing any improvement off of :10 seconds worth of wrestling vs. Coon is sketchy at best.
Theme of above - we wrestled in B1Gs pretty much the way we have all season. Inconsistent as a team beyond McIntosh, Brown and Conaway.
I'm somewhere in between ...
PSU performed, on average, about what I expected. There are always those that are pleasant surprises, and those that are disappointments. It's been that way the past 4 years, when PSU was winning B1G and NCAA team titles, so I'm not surprised to see the same thing this year.
The fan in me is always hoping for performances that exceed expectations. My other side is always trying to look at things objectively.
PSU guys that exceeded expectations:
1. Matt McCutcheon - as the season progressed, he was slipper further and further from what I had hoped. Too many matches with little to no offense. Knocking off Brooks in quarters was a real surprise. Losing to Pfarr in the semis was expected. Besting Dudley was neither a surprise nor expected. I could have seen the match going either way. It's unfortunate that he got slightly injured in the match, which prevented him from wrestling against Brooks for 3rd place. Only a wide-eyed optimist would have projected him to finish 4th at B1Gs
2. Morgan McIntosh - he didn't exceed by a lot, but after the dual meet with Snyder, I really did not have a lot of confidence that Morgan could defeat Snyder. (Kind of how I feel about his chances against Cox -- hope he gets a chance to surprise me there, as well.) Getting to the finals was kind of expected, though I did worry a bit about Schiller. Scratch has defeated him this year, and seems to match up well against him, but Schiller has beaten too many good wrestlers for me to be confident about him. I thought Scratch would take 2nd once again, but I'm glad he surprised me.
3. Conaway - he exceeded his seed (5th seed; came in 3rd). I thought he could place anywhere from 3rd - 5th, though it's not a large degree of exceeding. Delgado was always a wildcard, in that it was hard to know how healthy he was. Gilman and Tomasello seemed to be the clear top of the weight class. Lambert and Youtsey were challenges, but JC handled each of them during the tourney.
PSU guys that did about as expected:
1. Lawson - I was hoping he would do better, but he had a 7 seed, and Telford, at a 4 seed, is a bad matchup for him. He beat Jenson and Myers in the consolations, as I would have predicted, and lost to Coon in the consolation semis, which also would be expected. He was seeded 7th, and placed 6th -- pretty much on target.
2. Matt Brown - I'm sure he's bummed at not winning, but he was seeded 2nd and he placed 2nd. He's beaten Evans and Storley during the year, but just does not seem to match up well with Kokesh.
3. Luke Frey - I was hoping that he'd surprise us, but he barely wrestled this year, he was seeded 9th, and he ended up placing 10th. Realistically, he did about as expected.
4. Kade Moss - Another one I was hoping for more from, but he was seeded 9th. The only person seeded below him that ended up in the top 8 was Jess Thielke (Wisky), who was seeded 13th and ended up 8th. Steven Rodrigues was seeded 4th, and didn't place in the top 8. Moss shows potential, and then gets taken down far too easily.
5. Zack Beitz - he was seeded 6th, and end up placing 5th. He lost to Hunter Stieber very late in their quarterfinal match. I thought he would defeat #5 seed Alec Pantaleo in the consolation semis, but that didn't happen. FWIW, one of the bigger surprises in the tourney was at this weight class, where #15 seed Klye Langenderfer (Illini) placed 3rd, by winning 5 consolation matches after losing to Tshirt in the 1st round.
PSU guys that performed below expectations:
1. Jimmy Gulibon - he was seeded #3, and ended up in 6th place. He wrestled to seed thru the semis, where he lost to Ryan Taylor (Wisky, seeded #2). After that, something went wrong. He lost to #4 seed Johnni DiJulius in the consolation semis, and then lost to #6 seed Zane Richards (who he beat on Saturday) in the 5th place match. The B1G is loaded at 133, so Jimmy's inconsistency may be more a reflection of what he's facing than actual inconsistency. Still, he had a pretty good season, and seemed to improve in the 2nd half of the season, so his performance at B1Gs was below expectations, IMHO.
2. Garett Hammond - he's been pretty inconsistent this season, so I wasn't sure what to expect at B1Gs. That said, he seemed to be improving in the 2nd half of the season, and he was seeded 6th at B1Gs. He got pinned on a very questionable call in the quarters by #3 seed Taylor Walsh. Then he lost to #12 seed Garrett Sutton (Michigan) in his 1st consolation match. He then lost in TB in the 9th place match against 7 seed Nick Moore (Iowa). Both loses in the consolations were below seed, and he placed below seed in the tourney.
LOL, perhaps we're in general agreement, just with a somewhat different analysis.
Tom
PSU performed, on average, about what I expected. There are always those that are pleasant surprises, and those that are disappointments. It's been that way the past 4 years, when PSU was winning B1G and NCAA team titles, so I'm not surprised to see the same thing this year.
The fan in me is always hoping for performances that exceed expectations. My other side is always trying to look at things objectively.
PSU guys that exceeded expectations:
1. Matt McCutcheon - as the season progressed, he was slipper further and further from what I had hoped. Too many matches with little to no offense. Knocking off Brooks in quarters was a real surprise. Losing to Pfarr in the semis was expected. Besting Dudley was neither a surprise nor expected. I could have seen the match going either way. It's unfortunate that he got slightly injured in the match, which prevented him from wrestling against Brooks for 3rd place. Only a wide-eyed optimist would have projected him to finish 4th at B1Gs
2. Morgan McIntosh - he didn't exceed by a lot, but after the dual meet with Snyder, I really did not have a lot of confidence that Morgan could defeat Snyder. (Kind of how I feel about his chances against Cox -- hope he gets a chance to surprise me there, as well.) Getting to the finals was kind of expected, though I did worry a bit about Schiller. Scratch has defeated him this year, and seems to match up well against him, but Schiller has beaten too many good wrestlers for me to be confident about him. I thought Scratch would take 2nd once again, but I'm glad he surprised me.
3. Conaway - he exceeded his seed (5th seed; came in 3rd). I thought he could place anywhere from 3rd - 5th, though it's not a large degree of exceeding. Delgado was always a wildcard, in that it was hard to know how healthy he was. Gilman and Tomasello seemed to be the clear top of the weight class. Lambert and Youtsey were challenges, but JC handled each of them during the tourney.
PSU guys that did about as expected:
1. Lawson - I was hoping he would do better, but he had a 7 seed, and Telford, at a 4 seed, is a bad matchup for him. He beat Jenson and Myers in the consolations, as I would have predicted, and lost to Coon in the consolation semis, which also would be expected. He was seeded 7th, and placed 6th -- pretty much on target.
2. Matt Brown - I'm sure he's bummed at not winning, but he was seeded 2nd and he placed 2nd. He's beaten Evans and Storley during the year, but just does not seem to match up well with Kokesh.
3. Luke Frey - I was hoping that he'd surprise us, but he barely wrestled this year, he was seeded 9th, and he ended up placing 10th. Realistically, he did about as expected.
4. Kade Moss - Another one I was hoping for more from, but he was seeded 9th. The only person seeded below him that ended up in the top 8 was Jess Thielke (Wisky), who was seeded 13th and ended up 8th. Steven Rodrigues was seeded 4th, and didn't place in the top 8. Moss shows potential, and then gets taken down far too easily.
5. Zack Beitz - he was seeded 6th, and end up placing 5th. He lost to Hunter Stieber very late in their quarterfinal match. I thought he would defeat #5 seed Alec Pantaleo in the consolation semis, but that didn't happen. FWIW, one of the bigger surprises in the tourney was at this weight class, where #15 seed Klye Langenderfer (Illini) placed 3rd, by winning 5 consolation matches after losing to Tshirt in the 1st round.
PSU guys that performed below expectations:
1. Jimmy Gulibon - he was seeded #3, and ended up in 6th place. He wrestled to seed thru the semis, where he lost to Ryan Taylor (Wisky, seeded #2). After that, something went wrong. He lost to #4 seed Johnni DiJulius in the consolation semis, and then lost to #6 seed Zane Richards (who he beat on Saturday) in the 5th place match. The B1G is loaded at 133, so Jimmy's inconsistency may be more a reflection of what he's facing than actual inconsistency. Still, he had a pretty good season, and seemed to improve in the 2nd half of the season, so his performance at B1Gs was below expectations, IMHO.
2. Garett Hammond - he's been pretty inconsistent this season, so I wasn't sure what to expect at B1Gs. That said, he seemed to be improving in the 2nd half of the season, and he was seeded 6th at B1Gs. He got pinned on a very questionable call in the quarters by #3 seed Taylor Walsh. Then he lost to #12 seed Garrett Sutton (Michigan) in his 1st consolation match. He then lost in TB in the 9th place match against 7 seed Nick Moore (Iowa). Both loses in the consolations were below seed, and he placed below seed in the tourney.
LOL, perhaps we're in general agreement, just with a somewhat different analysis.
Tom
5th is a bad "Off" year IMO. Top 3 every year is my expectations to at least meet the "not bad" criteria.
Jimmy should watch McMullan for the "approach" to use on Telford. They (Jimmy & McMullan) seem to be similar physically...at least in comparison to Telford. McMullan seems to have written the book on beating Telford as he's done it 5 of 8 times over his career...all razor thin margins.
I have no way of knowing if this is the case (and I'm certainly no expert) but outwardly if Cael has installed this gameplan it seems like Jimmy won't do it. Perhaps he doesn't believe in the strategy? Jimmy obviously has the physical tools to do it. To paraphrase something Cael said in his blog a while back, be the Mongoose (against the cobra).
Re: I dunno. A lot of frosh champions...
I did the math. That's five once-in-a-decade wrestlers all from the same decade.
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I did the math. That's five once-in-a-decade wrestlers all from the same decade.
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Cael can't coach
I've never said that cael can't coach. What I have said is that his coaching legacy begins after the Taylor/Ruth era, as several teams would have been multiple champs with the dynamic duo in their lineups.
One doesn't have to be a Nostradamus to have predicted Penn State 5th/6th in the B1G as I repeatedly pointed out preseason.
I've never said that cael can't coach. What I have said is that his coaching legacy begins after the Taylor/Ruth era, as several teams would have been multiple champs with the dynamic duo in their lineups.
One doesn't have to be a Nostradamus to have predicted Penn State 5th/6th in the B1G as I repeatedly pointed out preseason.
Re: I dunno. A lot of frosh champions...
I think they are "Once in a Decade" guys because wrestling is so defensive that the offensive guys stick out so much.Originally posted by CholleyVandine:
I did the math. That's five once-in-a-decade wrestlers all from the same decade.
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Re: Cael can't coach
Wtf kind if logic is that? A coaches legacy begins after his 4 best seasons because he had great performers. Lombardi, Phil Jackson, Shula, any Yankees manager, ... Just about the most ridiculous logic ever posted on a board. Coach wooden couldn't coach because he had...
Wtf kind if logic is that? A coaches legacy begins after his 4 best seasons because he had great performers. Lombardi, Phil Jackson, Shula, any Yankees manager, ... Just about the most ridiculous logic ever posted on a board. Coach wooden couldn't coach because he had...
Re: Cael can't coach
This is what Jammies really said:
By that standard, J Rob has not yet proven he can coach, because he hasn't yet run out of Nesses.
BTW, it's also a lie: Jammies has said repeatedly, everywhere he can, that Cael can't coach -- and especially that Cael is a recruiter and not a coach. Here, HR, O State, The Mat, The Guillotine, etc., ... everywhere. He even drops that garbage in Foley's mailbag comments.
Dude, you may as well embrace it, because nobody believes you otherwise.
This is what Jammies really said:
By that standard, J Rob has not yet proven he can coach, because he hasn't yet run out of Nesses.
BTW, it's also a lie: Jammies has said repeatedly, everywhere he can, that Cael can't coach -- and especially that Cael is a recruiter and not a coach. Here, HR, O State, The Mat, The Guillotine, etc., ... everywhere. He even drops that garbage in Foley's mailbag comments.
Dude, you may as well embrace it, because nobody believes you otherwise.
Re: Cael can't coach
yep, yet another swing and a miss by the great j. senile old coot won't let this go. this year's t-shirt will read, "sota, always a bridesmaid, never a bride". at least that one will prove true.
yep, yet another swing and a miss by the great j. senile old coot won't let this go. this year's t-shirt will read, "sota, always a bridesmaid, never a bride". at least that one will prove true.
Well I'll kick this scavenger hunt off
Don't have to strain to infer from your last paragraph in a post made on page 4 of the linked thread that you believe Cael can't coach.
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See page 4
Don't have to strain to infer from your last paragraph in a post made on page 4 of the linked thread that you believe Cael can't coach.
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See page 4
In this link, one need not make an inference that Jammen believes
Cael can't coach. Rather, Jammen's first post on page 1 clearly implies (using a convenient rhetorical device) that Cael can't coach. Here is the post at issue:
"Duster, maybe you can make sense of this paradox.
PSU has nine wrestlers ranked as top ten overall recruits on their roster; #1 McIntosh, #2 A Alton, #3's Retherford, Gulibon, Mega, #4 Nolf, #5 Nevills, #7 Nickal, #8 Alton. Yet Flo has the team ranked 8th.
Minny has one wrestler with a top ten overall ranking, #5 Storley, but is ranked 1st.
Iowa only has one wrestler with a top ten ranking, #4 Evans, and is ranked 2nd.
Is this due to Penn State's poor coaching as so many astute observers claim? What changes in their staff need to be made in your opinion?"
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Who are these astute, albeit unnamed, "observers"? C'mon Jammen - just own up to it.
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Hit it
Cael can't coach. Rather, Jammen's first post on page 1 clearly implies (using a convenient rhetorical device) that Cael can't coach. Here is the post at issue:
"Duster, maybe you can make sense of this paradox.
PSU has nine wrestlers ranked as top ten overall recruits on their roster; #1 McIntosh, #2 A Alton, #3's Retherford, Gulibon, Mega, #4 Nolf, #5 Nevills, #7 Nickal, #8 Alton. Yet Flo has the team ranked 8th.
Minny has one wrestler with a top ten overall ranking, #5 Storley, but is ranked 1st.
Iowa only has one wrestler with a top ten ranking, #4 Evans, and is ranked 2nd.
Is this due to Penn State's poor coaching as so many astute observers claim? What changes in their staff need to be made in your opinion?"
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Who are these astute, albeit unnamed, "observers"? C'mon Jammen - just own up to it.
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Hit it
There looked to be some other examples from Hawkeye Report
But those threads are no longer in the system due to Rivals deleting old threads. I know I've seen a few of his anti-Cael screeds on there.
I found those links in about 15 minutes, but Jammen has long littered wrestling boards with anti-Cael posts and Alton potshots - something about the Alton boys really bothers him as well for some reason.
Not that it will happen, but it would be hilarious if Mark Hall comes to PSU - poor Jammen's head would explode.
But those threads are no longer in the system due to Rivals deleting old threads. I know I've seen a few of his anti-Cael screeds on there.
I found those links in about 15 minutes, but Jammen has long littered wrestling boards with anti-Cael posts and Alton potshots - something about the Alton boys really bothers him as well for some reason.
Not that it will happen, but it would be hilarious if Mark Hall comes to PSU - poor Jammen's head would explode.
Like taking candy from a baby
He'll probably hide behind semantics. It's okay - we know what's in his heart.
He'll probably hide behind semantics. It's okay - we know what's in his heart.
Couldn't you just see Jammen stealing Cindy Loo Hoo's Xmas lollipop?
And taking the last Christmas ornament just as he goes back up the chimney?
He's a mean one, Mr Jammen
And taking the last Christmas ornament just as he goes back up the chimney?
He's a mean one, Mr Jammen
McMullan and Lawson aren't that similar at all. As someone else noted, McMullan is smaller, quicker, and more mobile than Lawson.
Telford is bigger than Lawson, but he dwarfs McMullan.
