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Baltimore State's Attorney: 'We Have Probable Cause To File Criminal Charges' Over Freddie Gray's De

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Gray was put in the van. Check.
Van was driven recklessly. Check.
Van was not driven straight to the police station. Check.
Van stopped 3 (maybe 4) times at which point none of the police officers made any attempt to determine if Gray had injuries. Check.
Gray died of a severed spine. Check.

You are correct - there is a lot of doubt about this.


You should stick with posting pics of chicks. Because debating this issue is clearly not your strong suit...
 
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Well that makes it totally OK that police killed him AFTER they took it away from him.
#SMH

Well, no, but it will make the illegal arrest charge go away. Don't worry, though, you'll still have the "rough ride" to rely on--you know, the "rough ride" that the prosecutor didn't mention when she was grandstanding. If that doesn't work, then you've definitely got the cops for failing to buckle his seat belt.
 
Well, no, but it will make the illegal arrest charge go away. Don't worry, though, you'll still have the "rough ride" to rely on--you know, the "rough ride" that the prosecutor didn't mention when she was grandstanding. If that doesn't work, then you've definitely got the cops for failing to buckle his seat belt.
I am starting to admire your persistence.

Now, can you give us a physical description of the knife in question....with sourcing info? We are debating the knife based on what people are saying it was....but I have yet to see a physical description....make, model, etc.

I am, meanwhile, going to stipulate to my making the following assumption: I figure it is a safe bet that the prosecutor's office has examined the knife and the applicable laws.
 
I am starting to admire your persistence.

Now, can you give us a physical description of the knife in question....with sourcing info? We are debating the knife based on what people are saying it was....but I have yet to see a physical description....make, model, etc.

I am, meanwhile, going to stipulate to my making the following assumption: I figure it is a safe bet that the prosecutor's office has examined the knife and the applicable laws.

I can tell you exactly what it looks like: it looks like a knife that is illegal to carry in Baltimore. That's according to every cop who has examined it, including a task force of sheriffs hand-picked by the prosecutor to investigate.

That's called probable cause.
 
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I can tell you exactly what it looks like: it looks like a knife that is illegal to carry in Baltimore. That's according to every cop who has examined it, including a task force of sheriffs hand-picked by the prosecutor to investigate.

That's called probable cause.
OK. So, you don't know. I suspect we will find out soon enough.
 
Lol, this idiot prosecutor also used the wrong addresses to charge the police.

Somebody give this lightweight the hook already. Recusal would do her a favor.
 
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Well, no, but it will make the illegal arrest charge go away. Don't worry, though, you'll still have the "rough ride" to rely on--you know, the "rough ride" that the prosecutor didn't mention when she was grandstanding. If that doesn't work, then you've definitely got the cops for failing to buckle his seat belt.

Do think this is funny? A person died because of what these cops did.
 
Do think this is funny? A person died because of what these cops did.
Yeah, it's funny, because it's making fun of idiots like you who lack the critical thinking skills to distinguish between a murder and a negligent homicide. But don't worry, you're in good company with prosecutor Mosby. I, on the other hand, am in good company with:

This guy: http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/alan-dershowitz-freddie-gray-charges-show-trial
And this 20-year vet of the Baltimore prosecutor's office: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-freddie-gray-mosby-20150505-story.html

I'm sure there are a lot more real lawyers out there who agree with me.
 
Yeah, it's funny, because it's making fun of idiots like you who lack the critical thinking skills to distinguish between a murder and a negligent homicide. But don't worry, you're in good company with prosecutor Mosby. I, on the other hand, am in good company with:

This guy: http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/alan-dershowitz-freddie-gray-charges-show-trial
And this 20-year vet of the Baltimore prosecutor's office: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-freddie-gray-mosby-20150505-story.html

I'm sure there are a lot more real lawyers out there who agree with me.
It basically appears that you really, really, really want all of the cops to walk on this one....despite the fact that a man was mortally injured while in their custody. Yet, you are quick to throw out the accusation that others have "agendas." And, you completely discount the reality that both of the individuals that your links connect to have "agendas."

I don't know why you cannot see this, except that you probably are being steered away from being able to see it.
 
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Yeah, it's funny, because it's making fun of idiots like you who lack the critical thinking skills to distinguish between a murder and a negligent homicide. But don't worry, you're in good company with prosecutor Mosby. I, on the other hand, am in good company with:

This guy: http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/alan-dershowitz-freddie-gray-charges-show-trial
And this 20-year vet of the Baltimore prosecutor's office: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-freddie-gray-mosby-20150505-story.html

I'm sure there are a lot more real lawyers out there who agree with me.
I believe negligent homicide is a crime and consistent with the charge of involuntary manslaughter brought against three of the police. Sounds like agreement on those charges.
Yeah, it's funny, because it's making fun of idiots like you who lack the critical thinking skills to distinguish between a murder and a negligent homicide. But don't worry, you're in good company with prosecutor Mosby. I, on the other hand, am in good company with:

This guy: http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/alan-dershowitz-freddie-gray-charges-show-trial
And this 20-year vet of the Baltimore prosecutor's office: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-freddie-gray-mosby-20150505-story.html

I'm sure there are a lot more real lawyers out there who agree with me.
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I believe negligent homicide is a crime and consistent with the charge of involuntary manslaughter brought against three of the police. Sounds like agreement on those charges.
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Yes, that's the charge that belongs here, although I think it ultimately fails. They might get the driver on this charge, depending on how aware he was of Gray's distress.

This should be resolved by a civil action against the Baltimore PD, resulting in a payout of about $1-2 million. I would hope that the PD would go back, review its policies and procedures, improve communications, and buy proper equipment for its officers.
 
Yes, that's the charge that belongs here, although I think it ultimately fails. They might get the driver on this charge, depending on how aware he was of Gray's distress.

This should be resolved by a civil action against the Baltimore PD, resulting in a payout of about $1-2 million. I would hope that the PD would go back, review its policies and procedures, improve communications, and buy proper equipment for its officers.
Do you know what the law is in Maryland regarding negligent homicide? If you intend the act but not the injury, is it negligent homicide? Do you everything done by the cops that might have injured Gray?

I bring this up because in a murder case against a cop in Chicago recently, the cop was charged with involuntary manslaughter after he pointed his gun at somebody (while firing over his shoulder) but hit somebody else. The case was dismissed because the law in Illinois is that if you fire a gun at somebody the charge is muder even if you hit somebody else.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ter-trial-0421-met-20150420-story.html#page=1
 
Do you know what the law is in Maryland regarding negligent homicide? If you intend the act but not the injury, is it negligent homicide? Do you everything done by the cops that might have injured Gray?

I bring this up because in a murder case against a cop in Chicago recently, the cop was charged with involuntary manslaughter after he pointed his gun at somebody (while firing over his shoulder) but hit somebody else. The case was dismissed because the law in Illinois is that if you fire a gun at somebody the charge is muder even if you hit somebody else.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-detective-manslaughter-trial-0421-met-20150420-story.html#page=1

This case isn't about firing a gun. It's about failing to seat-buckle a guy, and more importantly, failing to secure timely and proper medical attention.
 
This case isn't about firing a gun. It's about failing to seat-buckle a guy, and more importantly, failing to secure timely and proper medical attention.
Are you really a lawyer? The issue is intent, not the method of homicide. And the point is that a prosecutor can undercharge (and lose the case) as easily as overcharge.

Didn't you read my first paragraph? If you know the answer, please elucidate.

And I think you're incorrect regarding the number of wrongful acts. I've seen videos of a cop with his knee pressed into Gray's upper back as he pulled back on Gray's head. I could see that causing a serious neck injury which was then aggravated in a "rough ride." If either of those acts was intended to cause injury and ended up causing death, then murder would arguably be the appropriate charge.
 
Are you really a lawyer? The issue is intent, not the method of homicide. And the point is that a prosecutor can undercharge (and lose the case) as easily as overcharge.
This is so dumb it almost defies response. A second degree murder charge isn't an undercharge. And method of homicide is relevant to intent. Nobody would be arguing about a murder charge if they had shot Gray.

Are you going to be as wrong about this one as you were against Corman's case?
 
This is so dumb it almost defies response. A second degree murder charge isn't an undercharge. And method of homicide is relevant to intent. Nobody would be arguing about a murder charge if they had shot Gray.

Are you going to be as wrong about this one as you were against Corman's case?
This would probably be a good place to end this thread.
 
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