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I don't disagree with your post but to clarify the Surma connection......
John Surma was the CEO of USX. His brother Vic Sr. was a former PSU football player. Vic Jr. (also a former PSU football player) was the son of Vic Sr. and nephew of John. Vic Jr. encountered some problems in his life and tragically died in 2014. At one time Vic Sr. sang the praises of Joe Paterno but that all changed when Vic Jr. began facing adversity. All of the sudden Joe Paterno was to blame for the problems of Vic Jr. Uncle John was more than happy to settle imaginary personal scores even though Joe Paterno had no responsibility for Vic Jr. after his playing days concluded in 2005.
Surma was so nutless he couldn't even face Joe in person. Instead he had Ganter pass a note like a kid in elementary school. Surma didn't have the foresight to understand that firing Joe was more than replacing a football coach. The media saw it as Joe being to blame for Sandusky and it basically set the tone for the university accepting blame for everything.
I don't disagree with your post but to clarify the Surma connection......
John Surma was the CEO of USX. His brother Vic Sr. was a former PSU football player. Vic Jr. (also a former PSU football player) was the son of Vic Sr. and nephew of John. Vic Jr. encountered some problems in his life and tragically died in 2014. At one time Vic Sr. sang the praises of Joe Paterno but that all changed when Vic Jr. began facing adversity. All of the sudden Joe Paterno was to blame for the problems of Vic Jr. Uncle John was more than happy to settle imaginary personal scores even though Joe Paterno had no responsibility for Vic Jr. after his playing days concluded in 2005.
Surma was so nutless he couldn't even face Joe in person. Instead he had Ganter pass a note like a kid in elementary school. Surma didn't have the foresight to understand that firing Joe was more than replacing a football coach. The media saw it as Joe being to blame for Sandusky and it basically set the tone for the university accepting blame for everything.
I will ask others to comment, but I recall awhile back that several individuals stated that their testimony was "twisted."With regard to the interview process, the method is secondary to determining whether a) the folks rendering observations/opinions are in a position to do so; and b) the work papers accurately reflect what was said. Believe that the A9 reviewers can accomplish a. but not b.
I will ask others to comment, but I recall awhile back that several individuals stated that their testimony was "twisted."
Regarding Erickson being the person who threw the snide "errand boy" comment at Tim...
I was surprised a number of years back when I read that it was Erickson who said that. He is so meek and spineless in his public appearance that I find it unlikely that he would say that about someone else, when no doubt others have said something along those lines about him.
When I read it years back, it immediately struck me as a Joynerism. Joyner saying it makes far more sense to me. I often wondered if maybe my little theory was right, and they credited Rodless with it to somehow make him seem tougher, or maybe to take the obvious conflict of interest in that remark off of Fester's Dome of Chrome.
Not that I think my theory is right, but still after all these years it makes more sense to me than believing Erickson said it.
The larger point is, the Freeh nonsense is so easily questioned and outright hard to believe that even the attribution of a quote makes people wonder if it is truthfully stated.
Surma knew precisely what he was doing. He and Corbett had extensive cell phone communications.I don't disagree with your post but to clarify the Surma connection......
John Surma was the CEO of USX. His brother Vic Sr. was a former PSU football player. Vic Jr. (also a former PSU football player) was the son of Vic Sr. and nephew of John. Vic Jr. encountered some problems in his life and tragically died in 2014. At one time Vic Sr. sang the praises of Joe Paterno but that all changed when Vic Jr. began facing adversity. All of the sudden Joe Paterno was to blame for the problems of Vic Jr. Uncle John was more than happy to settle imaginary personal scores even though Joe Paterno had no responsibility for Vic Jr. after his playing days concluded in 2005.
Surma was so nutless he couldn't even face Joe in person. Instead he had Ganter pass a note like a kid in elementary school. Surma didn't have the foresight to understand that firing Joe was more than replacing a football coach. The media saw it as Joe being to blame for Sandusky and it basically set the tone for the university accepting blame for everything.
Let’s refrain from introducing executive branch politicians into this thread .For some "significant" could mean the title page...
Regarding Erickson being the person who threw the snide "errand boy" comment at Tim...
I was surprised a number of years back when I read that it was Erickson who said that. He is so meek and spineless in his public appearance that I find it unlikely that he would say that about someone else, when no doubt others have said something along those lines about him.
When I read it years back, it immediately struck me as a Joynerism. Joyner saying it makes far more sense to me. I often wondered if maybe my little theory was right, and they credited Rodless with it to somehow make him seem tougher, or maybe to take the obvious conflict of interest in that remark off of Fester's Dome of Chrome.
Not that I think my theory is right, but still after all these years it makes more sense to me than believing Erickson said it.
The larger point is, the Freeh nonsense is so easily questioned and outright hard to believe that even the attribution of a quote makes people wonder if it is truthfully stated.
I have no problem believing it. Erickson made it quite clear he's in the category of academics who strongly resent the stature of big-time athletics on campus. (And I agree with that point of view to an extent.) But I have no doubt that his resentment led him to have a negative view of Paterno.Regarding Erickson being the person who threw the snide "errand boy" comment at Tim...
I was surprised a number of years back when I read that it was Erickson who said that. He is so meek and spineless in his public appearance that I find it unlikely that he would say that about someone else, when no doubt others have said something along those lines about him.
Wow. That was a totally inappropriate snarky comment. Whether a person liked Spanier or not, there's nothing wrong with someone having interests outside their profession. Apparently Erickson just sat around all day looking at maps.I work at the University and recall Erickson addressing a large meeting of University employees shortly after he was named interim President. Early in his remarks when he was explaining what we could expect with him as President, he made the point that, paraphrasing, "you won't see me playing a washboard," which got a laugh from the audience. Now I could be reading too much into it, but I took it as a clear swipe at Spanier. Very consistent with the "errand boy" comment, IMO.
I have no problem believing it. Erickson made it quite clear he's in the category of academics who strongly resent the stature of big-time athletics on campus. (And I agree with that point of view to an extent.) But I have no doubt that his resentment led him to have a negative view of Paterno.
I work at the University and recall Erickson addressing a large meeting of University employees shortly after he was named interim President. Early in his remarks when he was explaining what we could expect with him as President, he made the point that, paraphrasing, "you won't see me playing a washboard," which got a laugh from the audience. Now I could be reading too much into it, but I took it as a clear swipe at Spanier. Very consistent with the "errand boy" comment, IMO.
Additionally, I heard testimony was not only twisted but Freeh group members were overtly hostile if folks didn't give them the answers they were looking for, i.e. JVP ran the school like Hitler and would do anything to protect his image.I will ask others to comment, but I recall awhile back that several individuals stated that their testimony was "twisted."
The reconquista took 780 years. You don't give in to the enemy, ever, when you are on the side of right.It is probably time to give it a rest, Anthony. It is over. Our side lost.
Anthony @lubrano , I know the answer to my own question, but I'd like your take on it: If your report is false, wouldn't it be easy for the BOT to disprove? Just come out and give a few examples that are demonstrably false in your report. If they can't do that, then the report has merit and should be released. Why won't they take one of these two logical pathways? To do anything else just leaves the unending speculation to continue.Baseless is in my view an accurate assessment.
Let’s remember Freeh was driven by greed. That was his underlying motive. He wanted to become the investigative arm for the NCAA.
The only way Freeh could curry favor with Mark Emmett, who himself was looking to boost the enforcement image of the NCAA, was to deliver a report that cites Penn State for its institutional control failures.
Do you think Freeh coincidentally refers to a high ranking University official (in a footnote no less) calling Tim Curley Joe Paterno’s errand boy?
Of course not. That comment was intended to support the notion that Joe was in charge.
I URGE the Board of Trustees to release our report to the public.
Good!Not entirely. I know of one significant donor, there maybe more. who is/are interested in the outcome here.
Hah! lol - That does seem to be the American way these days.start leaking shit then. force their hand. do something besides posting cryptic shit on message boards.
Good!
I have no problem believing it. Erickson made it quite clear he's in the category of academics who strongly resent the stature of big-time athletics on campus. (And I agree with that point of view to an extent.) But I have no doubt that his resentment led him to have a negative view of Paterno.
I work at the University and recall Erickson addressing a large meeting of University employees shortly after he was named interim President. Early in his remarks when he was explaining what we could expect with him as President, he made the point that, paraphrasing, "you won't see me playing a washboard," which got a laugh from the audience. Now I could be reading too much into it, but I took it as a clear swipe at Spanier. Very consistent with the "errand boy" comment, IMO.
Regarding Erickson being the person who threw the snide "errand boy" comment at Tim...
I was surprised a number of years back when I read that it was Erickson who said that. He is so meek and spineless in his public appearance that I find it unlikely that he would say that about someone else, when no doubt others have said something along those lines about him.
When I read it years back, it immediately struck me as a Joynerism. Joyner saying it makes far more sense to me. I often wondered if maybe my little theory was right, and they credited Rodless with it to somehow make him seem tougher, or maybe to take the obvious conflict of interest in that remark off of Fester's Dome of Chrome.
Not that I think my theory is right, but still after all these years it makes more sense to me than believing Erickson said it.
The larger point is, the Freeh nonsense is so easily questioned and outright hard to believe that even the attribution of a quote makes people wonder if it is truthfully stated.
Bob,
I don't have Erickson's deposition in front of me (Corman v. NCAA, 12/2/14), but even though Rod wouldn't admit recalling it under oath, Corman's lawyers certainly attributed it to him. I'll paste this passage from the "Feckless" post from a couple years ago:
A university official interviewed by Freeh’s group reported that the request presented to Erickson for approval for emeritus status for Jerry Sandusky would have been made by Paterno, and that it was “likely brought forward, however, by his errand boy Curley.” (Freeh Report, p. 75; interview from 4/12/12) That university official was Rodney Erickson. The very same Rodney Erickson who signed the approval for Jerry Sandusky’s emeritus status.
Erickson’s contention that the request would have been made by Paterno, through Curley, was a falsehood known to both Erickson and Freeh. We know this from Freeh Exhibit 3I, an email string in which Erickson fielded the request from the vice provost for academic affairs, who noted: “Apparently, Graham told [redacted] that we would do this – he was wholly within his rights since the policy says ‘The President may grant (or deny) Emeritus Rank on an exception basis’ – then informed Tim, who suggested going through the college….” Erickson responded: “Let’s go ahead and grant it if Graham has already promised it.” Erickson knew that it was Spanier, not Paterno, who “informed Tim,” yet still told Freeh’s investigators that the request would have come from Paterno. If you’re keeping score at home, Spanier approved emeritus status for Sandusky. Erickson signed off. Erickson pinned it on Paterno.
In the [Corman v. NCAA] deposition, when questioned about the “errand boy Curley” remark, Erickson suddenly developed a case of what is commonly referred to as “Commonwealth amnesia”:
“I don’t remember the specific language that I used.” He allowed that “I didn’t ever observe their interactions firsthand.”
Moments later…this epic exchange:
Q: “Well, Dr. Erickson, I’m assuming the investigator did not just put quotes around the words ‘errand boy’ and make it up. So I’m asking whether or not your perception, at the time you were interviewed, was that Mr. Curley was Mr. Paterno’s errand boy?”
Erickson stammered out a meandering, 68-word non-response, using his vast geographical skills to maintain a safe, multi-time zone buffer between question and answer. The optimistic court reporter placed a period at the end, hopeful that this festive potpourri, held up to just the right light, might one day blossom into an actual English sentence. The questioner was both unenlightened and undeterred:
Q: “But my question is did you believe at the time that Mr. Curley was Mr. Paterno’s errand boy?”
A: “Well, I can’t characterize it that way.”
Well, now. That’s better. Except you did…to Freeh. The world heard that. Only family, friends (if you have any left) and a few people on a message board have read this testimony. Scoring update: Erickson gave Freeh’s investigator false information about the source of Sandusky’s emeritus request. Freeh knew it (Freeh Report, p. 60-61; Exh. 3I). Under oath, Erickson denied any recollection of any “errand boy” characterization, admitted he never observed interactions between Curley and Paterno firsthand, and could not characterize Curley as Paterno’s “errand boy.” Freeh still used the quote to fry Paterno…and Penn State. So Erickson’s own interview with Freeh’s group…an interview he would not stand behind under oath…was in large part responsible for his negotiating position with Emmert.
So Freeh says Rod said it. I believe Rod said it. I believe Rod is lying when he says he doesn't remember saying it. And when I believe someone is lying even more than I believe Louis Freeh is lying.....well, her name is usually Cynthia Baldwin.
But I digress.....
SR/BHF
Anthony @lubrano , I know the answer to my own question, but I'd like your take on it: If your report is false, wouldn't it be easy for the BOT to disprove? Just come out and give a few examples that are demonstrably false in your report. If they can't do that, then the report has merit and should be released. Why won't they take one of these two logical pathways? To do anything else just leaves the unending speculation to continue.