Believe me, USC will still be happy to scarf up Franklin...

[Jerry]

...and probably will do so at the end of this season.

His departure will make nothing better...only worse...both for Penn State...and the Big Suck, which has delighted in screwing us over.

Anyone who thinks we'd be better off next year without him is kidding themselves.

On the other hand, if that happens, the single consolation will be to see the Big Suck go down the drain football-wise and revert to its pathetic state before we were dumb enough to join.

That said, it was an excruciating loss today...though as the game went on, it had an air of inevitability to it.

 

[1PSUfootball1]

Great... What we have now is NOT good enough. Could it get worse. Yes. But settling for this nonsense is unacceptable to many of us.

 

[psuno1]

Just like the Maryland game Franklin's first year you knew his coaching would blow it.

 

[Cosmos]

...and probably will do so at the end of this season.

His departure will make nothing better...only worse...both for Penn State...and the Big Suck, which has delighted in screwing us over.

Anyone who thinks we'd be better off next year without him is kidding themselves.

On the other hand, if that happens, the single consolation will be to see the Big Suck go down the drain football-wise and revert to its pathetic state before we were dumb enough to join.

That said, it was an excruciating loss today...though as the game went on, it had an air of inevitability to it.

I would like to be a fly-on-the-wall at the job interview when they ask him about his handling of the depth chart at QB. In this day and age of free agency how do you misjudge talent so blatantly.

 

[I am Ironman]

Nobody will touch him now.

 

[BW Lion]

James

Nobody will touch him now.

He's toxic and will dare Sandra to fire him. Welcome to PSU Football for the next 5 years.

 

[Cosmos]

James

He's toxic and will dare Sandra to fire him. Welcome to PSU Football for the next 5 years.

Yep. Good so long as the money lasts.

 

[fastlax16]

...and probably will do so at the end of this season.

His departure will make nothing better...only worse...both for Penn State...and the Big Suck, which has delighted in screwing us over.

Anyone who thinks we'd be better off next year without him is kidding themselves.

On the other hand, if that happens, the single consolation will be to see the Big Suck go down the drain football-wise and revert to its pathetic state before we were dumb enough to join.

That said, it was an excruciating loss today...though as the game went on, it had an air of inevitability to it.

Next year is shaping up to be mediocre with or without him based on what’s coming back.

 

[AWS1022]

Just like the Maryland game Franklin's first year you knew his coaching would blow it.

Yeah, his coaching blew it…give me a break. I got news for you, the greatest coach in the world can design the greatest plays in the world, and if the players don’t perform, it won’t make a bit of difference. Call a play, a player whiffs on a block and the play blows up, this board: “what a terrible play call.” Yurcich was a genius a few weeks ago, now he doesn’t know how to coach. Holy sh!t.

 

[fastlax16]

I would like to be a fly-on-the-wall at the job interview when they ask him about his handling of the depth chart at QB. In this day and age of free agency how do you misjudge talent so blatantly.

He judged talent so well that his backup is starting in the SEC?

In the day of free agents, most kids aren’t transferring without a shot at starting, and the ones that are are very unlikely to be difference makers because if they were, they’d want to start.

Name a transfer who transferred to a program with an entrenched starter returning that you would have taken here. You must have someone in mind.

 

[JayWye]

...and probably will do so at the end of this season.

His departure will make nothing better...only worse...both for Penn State...and the Big Suck, which has delighted in screwing us over.

Anyone who thinks we'd be better off next year without him is kidding themselves.

On the other hand, if that happens, the single consolation will be to see the Big Suck go down the drain football-wise and revert to its pathetic state before we were dumb enough to join.

That said, it was an excruciating loss today...though as the game went on, it had an air of inevitability to it.

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[SLion]

In all honesty, Franklin would have to be a dope going to USC. His problem is not talent as there is plenty enough to compete in BT. He is good at piecing a first team offense together but that is where his talent ends. He does not have a philosphy that allows next man up to succeed. The drop off in preparation is tremendous. The staff has no plan B and can't bring players along even after years in program. He changes coaches so often to accomodate 'what he has now' with no thought on future structure. That is what separates good coaches from elite coaches like Swinney, Saban, Meyer, Riley. Does USC want to pay 7m for a good coach? It ain't happening after today. They saw the warts of Franklin over last few weeks

I think of it this way...for USC or LSU to come for Franklin then tons of smart football minds would have review tape and says "Franlkin is elite mind and sound coach. Penn State's talent is just not good enough but ours is". Sorry that sounds ridiculous now

 

[lionville]

I’ve never seen anyone do less with more.

 

[AWS1022]

In all honesty, Franklin would have to be a dope going to USC. His problem is not talent as there is plenty enough to compete in BT. He is good at piecing a first team offense together but that is where his talent ends. He does not have a philosphy that allows next man up to succeed. The drop off in preparation is tremendous. The staff was no plan B and can't bring players along even after years in program. He changes coaches so often to accomodate 'what he has now' with no thought on future structure. That is what separates good coaches from elite coaches like Swinney, Saban, Meyer, Riley. Does USC want to pay 7m for a good coach? It ain't happening after today. They saw the warts of Franklin over last few weeks

Swinney and Riley both coach in bad conferences and don’t have to deal with a Bama or OSU every year. Saban and Meyer both had everything they needed to stockpile five star talent. Saban wasn’t the dominant coach he is now when he was at MSU. That’s what separates the elite coaches. And if Dabo is such an elite coach, why do they suck balls this year?

 

[danvillenit]

I’ve never seen anyone do less with more.

Jim Harbaugh. And don’t give me this year. He still hasn’t beat OSU or won a Big championship

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

USC will Be Fickell or Cristobal. LSU will be Kiffin or Jimbo, IMO.

Jimbo has NO restraints at all from jetting. His bff already got him to come with him once. If they pay him what A&M is which I imagine they will be willing to do it will happen.

 

[PearlSUJam]

Yeah, his coaching blew it…give me a break. I got news for you, the greatest coach in the world can design the greatest plays in the world, and if the players don’t perform, it won’t make a bit of difference. Call a play, a player whiffs on a block and the play blows up, this board: “what a terrible play call.” Yurcich was a genius a few weeks ago, now he doesn’t know how to coach. Holy sh!t.

I'm a big CJF fan but the overtime play calling was questionable at best.

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

I wish that all week Roberson was just practicing running the option in short yardage situations. Getting to the outside with two possibilities instead of molasses would have made things much smoother. Maybe Roberson can't even pitch the ball?

 

[AWS1022]

I'm a big CJF fan but the overtime play calling was questionable at best.

They tried just about everything and none of it worked, so I’m not sure it was the play calling. The trick play was a good one, but a poorly thrown ball and Clifford falling down killed it. Strange dropped a pass that should have been caught. Cain didn’t extend the ball and came up a couple inches short. Dotson should have caught the fade. Players have to make plays.

 

[PearlSUJam]

I wish that all week Roberson was just practicing running the option in short yardage situations. Getting to the outside with two possibilities instead of molasses would have made things much smoother. Maybe Roberson can't even pitch the ball?

Not all week, 2 weeks.

 

[PearlSUJam]

They tried just about everything and none of it worked, so I’m not sure it was the play calling. The trick play was a good one, but a poorly thrown ball and Clifford falling down killed it. Strange dropped a pass that should have been caught. Cain didn’t extend the ball and came up a couple inches short. Dotson should have caught the fade. Players have to make plays.

Did they get Dotson involved once? You know, the best player on the field?

 

[BW Lion]

I wish that all week Roberson was just practicing running the option in short yardage situations. Getting to the outside with two possibilities instead of molasses would have made things much smoother. Maybe Roberson can't even pitch the ball?

And the coaching brain trust never gave the kid an opportunity. That's a special level of arrogant incompetence.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

Yeah, his coaching blew it…give me a break. I got news for you, the greatest coach in the world can design the greatest plays in the world, and if the players don’t perform, it won’t make a bit of difference. Call a play, a player whiffs on a block and the play blows up, this board: “what a terrible play call.” Yurcich was a genius a few weeks ago, now he doesn’t know how to coach. Holy sh!t.s

Who is responsible for recruiting?

Who is responsible for putting together a coaching staff?

Who is responsible for coaching and preparing players?

Who is responsible for game planning?

Who is responsible for in game decisions?

The Head Coach, that’s who. He owns these losses, because everyone with any sense saw the QB situation as a possible disaster. If he did not it’s on him too.

 

[PearlSUJam]

Who is responsible for recruiting?

Who is responsible for putting together a coaching staff?

Who is responsible for coaching and preparing players?

Who is responsible for game planning?

Who is responsible for in game decisions?

The Head Coach, that’s who. He owns these losses, because everyone with any sense saw the QB situation as a possible disaster. If he did not it’s on him too.

That being said, how many 5 stars does Clemson have on their roster and they lost their 3rd game of the season to Pitt Dave? How about that Dave?

 

[SLion]

Swinney and Riley both coach in bad conferences and don’t have to deal with a Bama or OSU every year. Saban and Meyer both had everything they needed to stockpile five star talent. Saban wasn’t the dominant coach he is now when he was at MSU. That’s what separates the elite coaches. And if Dabo is such an elite coach, why do they suck balls this year?

Cmon, man. Dabo has 6 playoffs, 4 finals and 2 champs. Basicially, Joe did that over 8 years and he was god around here. This is not about 1 bad year. Also, look around the difference is that these coaches have multiple QBs ready for a system. Clemson lost Kelly Bryant to injuries, Trevor Lawrence for some games and still managed to keep it together. Bama had true freshman Tua win title game. Let's not forget that Urban won title on third string QB. Riley benches Rattler and has Caleb ready to play. That is difference. Franklin struggles with preparedness after first line

 

[AWS1022]

Did they get Dotson involved once? You know, the best player on the field?

Yes, I mentioned him in my post. Also, I’m quite sure Illinois was aware of him too. The other teams does play defense as well.

 

[CDLionFL]

Good, they can have him. And then USC will lose to Oregon every year and honk a home game against Colorado or Arizona. It's the same script he follows every year only the schools have different names.

 

[YYZ86]

They tried just about everything and none of it worked, so I’m not sure it was the play calling. The trick play was a good one, but a poorly thrown ball and Clifford falling down killed it. Strange dropped a pass that should have been caught. Cain didn’t extend the ball and came up a couple inches short. Dotson should have caught the fade. Players have to make plays.

I am not someone who thinks Franklin should be gone or that he can’t get PSU to the top. But I also believe he was outcoached today. Illinois is one dimensional and a bad football team. Players have to make plays , and I agree. You brought up the mistakes of the players, was the game plan today a good one.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

Did they get Dotson involved once? You know, the best player on the field?

That being said, how many 5 stars does Clemson have on their roster and they lost their 3rd game of the season to Pitt Dave? How about that Dave?

That’s on their Coach. It has zero impact on our situation. BTW, those national championships and playoff appearances have earned good old Dabo some forgiveness.

Meanwhile our brain trust has the third string te throwing a pass to an injured quarterback. Huh? Nothing to Dotson? Really! That is coaching malpractice.

We all know Cain is limited, but he got repeated touches in OT.

 

[LionRange]

Matt rhule is probably tired of Sam Darnold already

He could certainly come back

 

[CDLionFL]

Clemson manipulated the system by being in a bad conference? Wow, we're really grasping for it now.

 

[AWS1022]

I am not someone who thinks Franklin should be gone or that he can’t get PSU to the top. But I also believe he was outcoached today. Illinois is one dimensional and a bad football team. Players have to make plays , and I agree. You brought up the mistakes of the players, was the game plan today a good one.

The coaches made some bad calls and some good ones….just like the Illinois coaches did. But poor play by the players often make any coaching decision look like a bad one. In any game one team wins and one loses, does that mean that one coach “outcoached” the other? Sometimes yes and sometimes no. It usually means one team played better than the other. In this case, one team played less bad than the other.

 

[LionRange]

But the sport is a joke. You measure it on making the playoff but it’s a clown show. Take The 2016 season, when we won the conference and beat OSU. They put OSU in the playoff. Clemson was manipulating the system by the fact that they were in a horrible conference. Like FSU in the ‘90s.

The playoff did not improve upon the BCS. It took the sport back to the bad old days of being totally subjective. It might be even worse.

We also should have been over Washington that year. They had very few impressive wins .

 

[YYZ86]

The coaches made some bad calls and some good ones….just like the Illinois coaches did. But poor play by the players often make any coaching decision look like a bad one. In any game one team wins and one loses, does that mean that one coach “outcoached” the other? Sometimes yes and sometimes no. It usually means one team played better than the other. In this case, one team played less bad than the other.

I didn’t say simply play calling. So I will ask this way. What was the game plan today, and was it sound?

 

[PearlSUJam]

The coaches made some bad calls and some good ones….just like the Illinois coaches did. But poor play by the players often make any coaching decision look like a bad one. In any game one team wins and one loses, does that mean that one coach “outcoached” the other? Sometimes yes and sometimes no. It usually means one team played better than the other. In this case, one team played less bad than the other.

You're completely right and there's no use fighting with jackasses

 

[AWS1022]

I didn’t say simply play calling. So I will ask this way. What was the game plan today, and was it sound?

I wasn’t just talking about play calling. I was talking about the game plan. The game plan was to try and establish the run early and try to limit what Clifford had to do because of his injury. Was it sound? Hard to say without seeing what happened in practice for two weeks. Did it work? Obviously not. But how much of that was due to the plan and how much was due to the players not doing what they were supposed to do? They played a terrible game and they lost….everyone is to blame. Why there is always a need to pin every loss on Franklin is beyond me. So if they come out and get blown out by OSU, will that be Franklin’s fault? On this board, yes. If they lose by 3, will it be Franklin’s fault? On this board, yes. It’s always Franklin’s fault…I guess that just makes some people feel better about their team losing.

 

[SLion]

But the sport is a joke. You measure it on making the playoff but it’s a clown show. Take The 2016 season, when we won the conference and beat OSU. They put OSU in the playoff. Clemson was manipulating the system by the fact that they were in a horrible conference. Like FSU in the ‘90s.

The playoff did not improve upon the BCS. It took the sport back to the bad old days of being totally subjective. It might be even worse.

I am not sure what else you want to measure success by and reality that CU beat OSU, ND, Alabama (twice) to win those champs. A great program has to upset OSU more than once every 7-8 years too. Stop using tough conf as a crutch. I agree ACC not top to bottom like BT but issue is CJF and preparedness to win.

 

[SLion]

Hmm, ND has transfer QB Coan who was not in system until spring. Kelly benched him for untested Pyne who played well enough against UC to almost win. He benches Pyne and Coan then goes with frosh Tyler Buchner who has them competitive but reinserts Coan to get victory at VT. Now starting Coan and leading USC. The QB system at ND finds a way..we got no system at PSU.

 

[YYZ86]

You're completely right and there's no use fighting with jackasses

I wasn’t just talking about play calling. I was talking about the game plan. The game plan was to try and establish the run early and try to limit what Clifford had to do because of his injury. Was it sound? Hard to say without seeing what happened in practice for two weeks. Did it work? Obviously not. But how much of that was due to the plan and how much was due to the players not doing what they were supposed to do? They played a terrible game and they lost….everyone is to blame. Why there is always a need to pin every loss on Franklin is beyond me. So if they come out and get blown out by OSU, will that be Franklin’s fault? On this board, yes. If they lose by 3, will it be Franklin’s fault? On this board, yes. It’s always Franklin’s fault…I guess that just makes some people feel better about their team losing.

Illinois is like 110th against the pass this year on defense. They aren’t good against the run but much better than against the pass. Without the legs of Clifford, PSU is weak running the football. So was the plan you even stated above sound. Knowing you weren’t going to run Clifford. You call out players mistakes. I could give one huge one. Theo Johnson dropped a huge pass that would most likely have led to points. But Dotson bailed out Clifford on what should have been a clear interception. Illinois QB missed wide open receivers many times. But trying to establish your offensive weakness against the better (still not good though) part of their defense is not sound. I don’t blame Franklin for everything. I am usually in his camp. But today was bad, and I am sure he knows it.

 

[AWS1022]

Illinois is like 110th against the pass this year on defense. They aren’t good against the run but much better than against the pass. Without the legs of Clifford, PSU is weak running the football. So was the plan you even stated above sound. Knowing you weren’t going to run Clifford. You call out players mistakes. I could give one huge one. Theo Johnson dropped a huge pass that would most likely have led to points. But Dotson bailed out Clifford on what should have been a clear interception. Illinois QB missed wide open receivers many times. But trying to establish your offensive weakness against the better (still not good though) part of their defense is not sound. I don’t blame Franklin for everything. I am usually in his camp. But today was bad, and I am sure he knows it.

But when your strength is diminished (our passing game due to Clifford’s injury) you have to look at other areas. I’m sure everyone involved knows today was bad including the players.