His running is even more diminished. Which greatly weakens the running game overall. Your logic makes no sense.
Believe me, USC will still be happy to scarf up Franklin...
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They were trying to establish their run game with running backs….does that clear it up for you? They know to be competitive the rest of the year, they have to run the ball better and what better team to work on it against? It’s really not that difficult.
Don't forget Brisker dropping the interception that would have ended the game in OT. It usually does come down to making plays...or not. Then again, it should never have come down to fighting for your life against the likes of Illinois. My God, 2-5, and they roll up 350 yards on the ground and control the line of scrimmage.
Also, it became apparent at some point before halftime that Clifford was not 100% and well off his game. You have to wonder if it might not have been better to play Roberson. How could things have gone worse.
I understand why people are frustrated with Franklin. Yet he still brings a lot to the table, to include three 11-win seasons and what is currently a top-3 recruiting class next year. I mean, there's a reason his name appears on top of the list at places like USC.
That was a tough loss to take, but I'm not ready to join the crowd of people calling for a coaching change. It may well happen, but I don't see it solving anything.
Yeah, I hate to disappoint the haters, but a coaching change isn’t going to change anything (for the better anyway). This mythical coach that’s out there that recruits top 3 classes to Penn State every year, is a phenomenal clock manager, never blows a fourth quarter lead, and has a stockpile of QB’s sitting around ready to play just doesn’t exist. And this mythical Penn State program that was dominant for the last 30 years thereby owing it to the fans to remain that dominant program never existed either.
But could Urban accumulate and keep that kind of talent at PSU? I’m not so sure.
I saw a dropped int, a dropped td pass, whiffed blocks etc. I still hated much of the play calling but one play made we win,
I don’t have any confidence now these guys will make those plays but I don’t put it all on the coaches.
PSU is 9-7 over the last two seasons and in a few days will be 9-8. That is not good enough at LSU why would it be good enough here?
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So it’s basically, “What have you done for me lately”….everything else he’s done just gets thrown out and forgotten? No chance to get better, no chance to work with a great recruiting class? Just get him out because of last year and the second half of this year? Got it.
Ok, baby steps. Don’t have one of the worst losses in the past 25 years on your watch, and maybe quit jerking around and playing word games when your name gets mentioned for a job.
Isn’t it his job to make sure the players don’t blow it. You know…coach them.
Pretty much every coach has bad losses on their watch. And Paterno had way more bad losses.
But he can’t play for them. Obviously you’ve never coached. Do you think they coach these guys to whiff on blocks? Drop passes? Miss tackles?
Isn't this what coaching is about ? Against the worst team in the big10?
Whiffed blocks absolutely. That is scheme . Wake TF up. Drops maybe not , missed tackles maybe not ...keep apologizing. Getting your teams head out of their ass ???????
Paterno had bad losses at the stage when he shouldn’t have been coaching anymore. And this isn’t the first bad loss of franklins tenure….I mean, we started 0-5 last year. I think if we all just accept that he will never win a big ten title, and our best season is 10 wins, we’ll be fine. But that’s not the kind of coach that should be hustling penn state every year for more money.
At some point, when there’s bad play across the board, does any of that fall on the coaches? Weird. Also, it was freaking Illinois.
Paterno was a shell of his former self the last 10 years of his career and had losses where you knew PSU never had a chance before the game was played.
Franklin has had 2 below average 7-6 seasons
3 very good 11 win seasons
a mediocre 9 win season
a terrible 4-5 season
and what’s shaping up as another below average to terrible season this year.
he’s Ron Zook and nothing more.
the only thing that saved his run of mediocrity was barely beating Minnesota in the 2016 season.
We will settle for one who can develop a competent offensive line, because in 8 years, he has had none.
Yes...
See Nebraska after Bo Pellini,
See FSU now after Jimbo Fisher
See Tennessee after Phillip Fulmer
Plenty of blue-blood programs that went from not meeting expectations to getting even worse.
Yeah, I mean we’re stuck with him. I wish he’d just realize that he’s not an elite coach and stop jerking around every time a new job opens up.
I’m not apologizing for anything….some of you may want to look the word apologize you in a dictionary.
I’m not talking about Paterno’s last 10 years….if losing to teams that have less talent than you is the definition of a bad loss, then Paterno had his fair share of them throughout his career.
If I’m at work, and one of my team members screws up, my boss would give me a pass. If all of the sudden I say well, this guy made this mistake, and that guy made that mistake, and this woman screwed this up (even if all true), I’m not going to get that same pass. Nor should I expect to.
I think what is most frustrating to me is that the same problems continue from year to year. The O line has been a problem since he got to PSU. The inability of his teams to run the ball effectively in short yardage situations even with backs like Barkley and sanders. His record is painfully bad coming off a loss and/or bye week. Hell even Nate said his teams have a way of turning 1 loss into 2. Franklin deserves credit fir what hes accomplished. I'm not sold on his ability to take PSU to the playoffs and be a legit title contender. PSU could do worse with a new coach. Im just at the point i think he's peaked.
Fair. That said, can you name other bad losses? Because I can rattle off a few more turds that James oversaw. And at least by 88 paterno had a pair of titles under his belt, so I’d be a little more willing to cut him some slack.
Depends on how they screw up and what caused it. Also depends on if you can replace them. It’s kind of apples and oranges.
I agree with the concern about the OLine and the run game. It was okay with Barkley, Sanders, and Journey because they could still get yards throughout a game…maybe not short yardage, but they got chunks. Last year and this year we can’t get anything and that needs to change. Hopefully it does, but I don’t see it happening this year.
This is a joke of a response. I don’t have a three deep bench of backups in case the first squad can’t complete a fairly straight forward task. James does. Or should. Illinois did…they beat us with their best player in d out and with a backup qb.
Syracuse and WVU in that year alone. Toledo. Many losses to Iowa. I’m sure I could come up with a lot more if I did some research.
25 point favorite at home on homecoming. Which time…Minnesota 1999? Toledo….I basically said he shouldnt have been coaching then anyway. TBH, I don’t really care or know why the paterno comparisons are relevant at this point. It’s moving the goal posts from a boringly obvious point that James wants to act and get paid like an elite coach but not perform like one.
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But you can also step in and do the work for them or with them. You can also fire someone and hire a replacement. It was a joke of an example. An office job is not anything like a football coaching job. And I’m assuming you’re not dealing with 18-22 year old kids who are doing their job in front of 100,000 people and being watched by millions on TV.
Should they have been a 25 point favorite with Clifford banged up the way he was? Do you really think so? Losing to a MAC team is worse no matter how you slice it.
Wtf are you talking about? ‘88 WVU probably had their best team ever and played for the MNC.
Toledo may have been the best team PSU faced in ‘00.
Both of those years PSU stunk. Yes under Paterno’s watch. I accepted some crappy years with him knowing there were also great years.
I’m waiting for PSU’ first great year under CJF’s.
