The person who really needed to be fired was the person who hired Yurcich.
Big boy move by Franklin
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Hmm...I seem to recall PSU losing to TEMPLE 27-10 - with Hackenberg sacked 10 times. But Franklin had nothing to do with that, right?
We could start by hiring someone who can do math in his head.
Well, he beat Penn State when he was at Temple. That's unprecedented. So yeah, there's that. I don't care if there were sanctions or anything else. We were no worse than 8-4 under B'Ob, who took the brunt of the sanctions. Franklin was 7-6 twice before the 2016 Ohio State fluke. Temple's program was dropped from its conference and almost dropped to FCS in the Bobby Wallace days.
This is the second time in Franklin's career when I thought he overreacted to a heartbreaking loss. The first was when PSU lost at home to Ohio State in 2018 and he went on that "great vs elite" rant.
I think there must be more to it (either there were disagreements between the two men, or else the AD stepped in and indicated that some visible step had to be taken). I'm sad to see this happen.
I think the coach and the fans should keep their cool about this - yes, another heartbreaker, but everything changes next season with B1G expansion and playoff expansion.
I think there must be more to it (either there were disagreements between the two men, or else the AD stepped in and indicated that some visible step had to be taken). I'm sad to see this happen.
I think the coach and the fans should keep their cool about this - yes, another heartbreaker, but everything changes next season with B1G expansion and playoff expansion.
Subtract the covid years and the sanction years and we know Franklin is a consistent 10-11 win coach. He is no worse and probably a bit better than Joe between 1995-2011. I thought Franklin called a terrible UM game and it eroded my confidence in him but to replace him you must go homerun level hire like an Urban Meyer. Otherwise the risk benefit calc does not support a Rhule level coach.
I agree. And when you look at the coaches that have dominated the B1G, they include Tressel (fired after kids were selling stuff to get tattoos), Meyer (covered up spousal abuse for a staffer) and now Harbaugh (who is coaching a UM team that has had FOUR coaching suspensions this year, alone).
We can hire the best OC in the country, but without a huge upgrade in the talent of our WR's what will change. Lambert-Smith is pedestrian at best, and he is considered our #1. OSU recruits WR's each year are ranked between #1 -10; Harrison was the exception since he was ranked around #17 which was insane. The same with their QB recruiting that gives them from #1 - #3 every year. Our WR's are ranked #50 - #100. How are we supposed to compete against that talent.
Get those WR's to quit running straight down the sidelines with the UM CB glued to them with no chance for a reception. Remember when Goodwin and Blacknall would break off the route and come across the middle for some spectacular catches which were game changers.
Also. do something different on 1st down rather then Singleton running between the LG and LT for 5 yards which is fine. Then on 2nd down then run Singleton between the RG and RT for "no gain." My god, we aren't throwing any screens/slants, so Allar is stuck with pressure in his face on 3rd down which usually turns into a 4th down punt.
We did run the ball fairly well at times vs UM, but without being able to sustain a drive with the passing game helping out, we are so predictable. 3 YL first down and we can't get in the end zone!
Get those WR's to quit running straight down the sidelines with the UM CB glued to them with no chance for a reception. Remember when Goodwin and Blacknall would break off the route and come across the middle for some spectacular catches which were game changers.
Also. do something different on 1st down rather then Singleton running between the LG and LT for 5 yards which is fine. Then on 2nd down then run Singleton between the RG and RT for "no gain." My god, we aren't throwing any screens/slants, so Allar is stuck with pressure in his face on 3rd down which usually turns into a 4th down punt.
We did run the ball fairly well at times vs UM, but without being able to sustain a drive with the passing game helping out, we are so predictable. 3 YL first down and we can't get in the end zone!
You have totally missed the point. Franklin should be out. I never said Yurcich was good. Anyone who doesn't think Franklin is ultimately responsible has no ability to analyze this situation.
The problem with Seider is he never ran an offense to my knowledge. Again, ten years ago…or in the Paterno era…you could advance an internal guy, give him some time to grow, and hope it works out.
Franklin doesn’t have that time and the CFB pressure cooker is higher than ever. As you can see from the fringe “fire Franklin” crowd, Franklin needs his next OC to be a talented and viable fix for our offensive woes. Kinda like a Manny Diaz hire on the other side of the ball.
Agreed. And it is less and less common for a team to play with a pocket passer. The new coach needs to come in with a plan. I just don't see how the slow-developing offense can be successful when the only run option is to the single running back. Defenses and DCs aren't stupid. You key on the RB, if the QB pulls the ball, its going to be a pass.
Disagree. This isn’t an overreaction. It’s appropriate for our desire to be an elite program and to take a step up on offense. Joe would have stuck with Yurcich for an entire career and told us all we were just one player away or one play away (until he put his son in the booth next to Yurcich and told Mike to listen to Jay).
Great move and I trust Franklin to get a great pro style OC who can be the “head coach” of the offense.
(And if the program stays in neutral or regresses with the next guy, then Franklin might really be on the hot seat.)
The problem with hiring a pro style OC, is how likely is Franklin to keep getting high level pro style QBs. He needs an OC who is flexible enough to mold an offense to Allars strengths. Then adjust accordingly to whomever the next QB is after Allar leaves.
I wouldn't exactly call it a big boy move. Looks more like a scapegoat move to me. When Franklin takes responsibility for something, anything, you might get me
back from wanting him gone. I'm sure lots of people have tried to look the other way from all the bizarre calls, myself included but never taking any responsibility is what infuriates me the most.
Franklin will now be desperate enough to fork out big dollars for WRs and OL. Biggest concern is transfers.
Hard to argue with Klatt. There's 4 responsibilities for an OC. 1. install a system 2. gameplan 3. call plays 4. make adjustments.
I've harped on this all year, but I hate a system where every player is looking at the sideline for what seems like an eternity only to line up with <10 seconds on the clock and now they're rushing to make line calls, motions, audibles, etc. There's no rhythm and pace.
Then you come up with game plan where the very first play is an inside zone read to Singleton.
This offense oddly looks so much like the Steelers under Canada. It's obviously too late for this season, but I hope to god they hire someone where they line up with around 20 sec. left on the play clock. And snap it b4 there's <5 sec. Watching them right now is like going to the grocery store and the adult living facility bus just dropped off bunch of senior citizens who all go to the self checkout.
We already have a top 10 Qb commit in the 2024 class. Might be a bit more mobile than Drew but he’s a talented passer.
OSU had a string of run-first QBs (and did well with them 2004-2018) but then they went for pass-first kids and have adapted the offense to the new identity.
Ok. I really don't follow recruiting all that closely. Especially with a lot of these guys flipping commitments.
He's better than Joe from those years, Joe never had sanctions and the pandemic silliness. Look up Joe's record in the Big Ten vs OSU and Michigan, I think he was 6-10 vs Michigan and worse against OSU. Then go look at how many northern teams have won National Titles since 2000, hint, it's one and we lost one of our games against them this year.
2/23 years with the last win in 2014. And with NIL money I think I can guess that PSU will never win another national title in my lifetime. When Joe had his first undefeated team in 1968 Pa had 29 electoral votes. We now have 19. In fact from 1968 to 1994 played for the title 4 times, winning two and losing two. The 1978 and 1985 seasons were losses, the 1982 and 1986 were wins.
He was undefeated in 1968, 1969, 1973, 1978, 1985, 1986, and 1994 regular seasons. He was 11-1 in 1971, 1977 but didn't have a national title shot in those years due to a regular season loss and we all know the 4 seasons where PSU won all the games but were denied a title in the vote.
8 years out of 19 seasons they were serious contenders, winning 2 and playing for 4. Yeah, again three season we got hosed. Then it took 8 more years to get and undefeated and untied season. 1991 was close but were were never it it that year with 2 regular season losses.
So if we go to 1987 and onward we had a shot one year, that's it. Two years we were in the mix until Michigan in 2005 and Iowa 2008, However I don't think if 3 runs in 25 season or so is much to brag about. My point is we have not been were most fans seem to think we are at for over a generation.
List of Penn State Nittany Lions football seasons - Wikipedia
Joe kind of lost it after the 1999 season.He's better than Joe from those years, Joe never had sanctions and the pandemic silliness. Look up Joe's record in the Big Ten vs OSU and Michigan, I think he was 6-10 vs Michigan and worse against OSU. Then go look at how many northern teams have won National Titles since 2000, hint, it's one and we lost one of our games against them this year.
2/23 years with the last win in 2014. And with NIL money I think I can guess that PSU will never win another national title in my lifetime. When Joe had his first undefeated team in 1968 Pa had 29 electoral votes. We now have 19. In fact from 1968 to 1994 played for the title 4 times, winning two and losing two. The 1978 and 1985 seasons were losses, the 1982 and 1986 were wins.
He was undefeated in 1968, 1969, 1973, 1978, 1985, 1986, and 1994 regular seasons. He was 11-1 in 1971, 1977 but didn't have a national title shot in those years due to a regular season loss and we all know the 4 seasons where PSU won all the games but were denied a title in the vote.
8 years out of 19 seasons they were serious contenders, winning 2 and playing for 4. Yeah, again three season we got hosed. Then it took 8 more years to get and undefeated and untied season. 1991 was close but were were never it it that year with 2 regular season losses.
So if we go to 1987 and onward we had a shot one year, that's it. Two years we were in the mix until Michigan in 2005 and Iowa 2008, However I don't think if 3 runs in 25 season or so is much to brag about. My point is we have not been were most fans seem to think we are at for over a generation.
List of Penn State Nittany Lions football seasons - Wikipedia
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While Ohio State and Michigan, plus others, decided to be football factories Joe continued to envision a "STUDENT" athlete. He wanted players who enjoyed an immersive college atmosphere and prepared them for post-football lives inside or outside the game. That left the door open to schools that simply continued to pamper five-star players and get them on campus while fixing their grades.
With the incredible money that now pervades college ball, that war has been lost. Remember, those were the days when cable TV made national games possible, ESPN (and other services) started to erode the three big networks. ND tied up an entire network forcing PSU to leave independence and sign with the B1G. Today I have the ability to watch 50 games on Saturdays not to mention that I can watch college football on Tuesdays, Wednesdays (Ohio U plays C Mich at 6 pm), Fridays and Saturdays. On Sunday, Monday and Thursday, I watch the NFL.
It isn't that Joe couldn't adjust. He didn't want to adjust because he thought it wasn't good for the players.
If Rhule didn't have Penn State ties he'd be an afterthought.
you're right. But a good OC can adjust to the talent. How hard can it be, you block, you run, you throw and catch passes......
Right,
Just tack on another $1,100 to each student’s tuition that attend PSU ……
Should be enough to cover James’s buy out.
Yeah, I agree with the population argument. And I would add that with most manufacturing moving down south and even overseas you have less of those tough kids raised by those strong hard nosed role model fathers that worked OT in the factories to make ends meet. That has fallen off the cliff in the northeast U.S. I would further specify that the PA population problem is western PA, which is a shell of its former self and continuing to drop off while Eastern PA (Philly region, Lehigh Valley, Reading to Lancaster, and Harrisburg) remains stable in population and corresponding high school football talent. To win now takes a national approach and fortunately Franklin has done well in terms of expanding our typical recruiting footprint and that needs to continue to expand. Unfortunately you are right that most fans do not have perspective on what the program has been for 25 years, not to mention it nearly received a knockout punch from Sandusky. I do have one difference of opinion that NIL can help level the playing field for PSU but that will take more effort from wealthy PSU alumsHe's better than Joe from those years, Joe never had sanctions and the pandemic silliness. Look up Joe's record in the Big Ten vs OSU and Michigan, I think he was 6-10 vs Michigan and worse against OSU. Then go look at how many northern teams have won National Titles since 2000, hint, it's one and we lost one of our games against them this year.
2/23 years with the last win in 2014. And with NIL money I think I can guess that PSU will never win another national title in my lifetime. When Joe had his first undefeated team in 1968 Pa had 29 electoral votes. We now have 19. In fact from 1968 to 1994 played for the title 4 times, winning two and losing two. The 1978 and 1985 seasons were losses, the 1982 and 1986 were wins.
He was undefeated in 1968, 1969, 1973, 1978, 1985, 1986, and 1994 regular seasons. He was 11-1 in 1971, 1977 but didn't have a national title shot in those years due to a regular season loss and we all know the 4 seasons where PSU won all the games but were denied a title in the vote.
8 years out of 19 seasons they were serious contenders, winning 2 and playing for 4. Yeah, again three season we got hosed. Then it took 8 more years to get and undefeated and untied season. 1991 was close but were were never it it that year with 2 regular season losses.
So if we go to 1987 and onward we had a shot one year, that's it. Two years we were in the mix until Michigan in 2005 and Iowa 2008, However I don't think if 3 runs in 25 season or so is much to brag about. My point is we have not been were most fans seem to think we are at for over a generation.
List of Penn State Nittany Lions football seasons - Wikipedia
So much predictability on these takes.
If you disliked Franklin already, you think Yurcich getting fired was him covering his own ass and you feel that the problems with the team are Franklin not giving the reins to Yurcich and we should still fire Franklin. You willfully ignore that Franklin is probably in the top 10% of coaches, because you demand a coach that is the top 5%, and you think that is somehow an easy thing to find, also ignoring that PSU historically has never been a program that competes at that level (such as OSU, UGA, Bama are now).
If you liked Franklin then you think this is a good move because the offense was clearly struggling and Yurcich called the plays, and we arguably aren't seeing the progress from Allar that we'd like or hoped for. You view this as a sign Franklin is willing to do what it takes to get to a higher level.
If you're objective, you admit you have no damn idea how much of the offensive problems are due to Yurchich or Franklin, because you're not at practice or meetings and there's no damn way you have any idea how much or little of Franklin's influence has been put on Yurcich in the weekly gameplanning and playcalling.
And if you're a PSU traditionalist, you'll name PSU linked coaches like Rhule as a possible replacement head coach even though the problem that most of you have is that Franklin is something like 3-17 vs. the AP top ten, while Rhule is 0-11 vs. the AP top 25 giving no indication he'd be any better.
If you disliked Franklin already, you think Yurcich getting fired was him covering his own ass and you feel that the problems with the team are Franklin not giving the reins to Yurcich and we should still fire Franklin. You willfully ignore that Franklin is probably in the top 10% of coaches, because you demand a coach that is the top 5%, and you think that is somehow an easy thing to find, also ignoring that PSU historically has never been a program that competes at that level (such as OSU, UGA, Bama are now).
If you liked Franklin then you think this is a good move because the offense was clearly struggling and Yurcich called the plays, and we arguably aren't seeing the progress from Allar that we'd like or hoped for. You view this as a sign Franklin is willing to do what it takes to get to a higher level.
If you're objective, you admit you have no damn idea how much of the offensive problems are due to Yurchich or Franklin, because you're not at practice or meetings and there's no damn way you have any idea how much or little of Franklin's influence has been put on Yurcich in the weekly gameplanning and playcalling.
And if you're a PSU traditionalist, you'll name PSU linked coaches like Rhule as a possible replacement head coach even though the problem that most of you have is that Franklin is something like 3-17 vs. the AP top ten, while Rhule is 0-11 vs. the AP top 25 giving no indication he'd be any better.
This pretty true. I think Franklin is covering his own ass but I also don't think he should be fired. He gets 2024 but 2024 is a "playoff or bust" season.
Rhule is Al Golden 2.0. Hard no.
Actually I'd be happy if Franklin stopped doing stupid stuff. For example, going for 2 in the first half. Sadly that's not a singular example. If it was, no big deal. He's shown no evidence that he's learned anything from his bone headed decisions. Just a little progress on the decision front might give me some hope. I don't demand he win big games. I just want to think that there is a chance. All there is now is false hope.
I think if you ask ‘86 Miami, they will probably cite the 7 turnovers as crucial to their 14-10 loss.
Agreed. Kind of makes my point. Way to many examples of bizarre decisions. Why did he think he could get a 2 point conversion when he had multiple attempts from the 3 to get a TD and failed. The examples just keep on piling up.
I'm really tired of sitting in the stands in the 1st quarter with 4th and 2 on the PSU 45 in a 0-0 game against a good team and praying PSU punts.
So Allar was handcuffed by MY and JF did nothing about it? Why would you have a metric for Explosive Plays after every game if you as the coach know your 5* QB is being handcuffed?
Not to mention being asked in every post and weekly press conference. How do you just sit there and watch it happen? His smugness and arrogance is sickening. I dislike him way more for his attitude and this impression that he’s hands off when things don’t go well. I wanted to hear him acknowledge today that he is the one at fault for his stupid 2 point calls
And if his team is so open and transparent with each other then how come he didn’t address the supposedly toxic approach that MY had with the players. It wasn’t just this week.
Not to mention being asked in every post and weekly press conference. How do you just sit there and watch it happen? His smugness and arrogance is sickening. I dislike him way more for his attitude and this impression that he’s hands off when things don’t go well. I wanted to hear him acknowledge today that he is the one at fault for his stupid 2 point calls
And if his team is so open and transparent with each other then how come he didn’t address the supposedly toxic approach that MY had with the players. It wasn’t just this week.
I think so, yes. It seems like he is very important to the staff for both coaching and recruiting. giving him the oc role vs Rutgers and MSU is an easy opportunity to look really good and land the job for next year
Great names, but that is all they are.... Many of these guys have gigs that are far more appealing than Penn State OC position.... PSU fans need to understand State College isn't for everyone and many of these coaches may have no interest. Other than Diaz, good bet many of them will go to sleep tonight without a single thought of Penn State, get up and do it again tomorrow.
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