Tom and Jake must have had a very interesting father/son conversation after that move. Sorry son, you have to default at the beginning of the match since you can't beat Murphy.
At least with Buttermaker, if the ball was in the strikezone it was up to the Umpire to call it a strike. Ryan told his son, you can't win, not like he was facing Nolf.
Yeah there are a few differences but ultimately it comes down to an adult ruining youth sports. Don't want to implicate Jake because I'll assume he was following orders (also makes me wonder whether Tom would've made that request of anyone who wasn't his son) but Rudy's acquiescence was also the braver act ("But it'll hurt." "You want to win the game, don't you?").
Yes, but the idea was not to seek the theoretical max possible points. The idea was that, as a practical matter, pins and bonus would be more likely in the consolation bracket than in the winners' bracket.
I'll take a shot but it would be the only bullet in my barrel as he is the only one I know to have done it. Bruce Kinseth from Iowa in 1979 I believe. Pinned his way through the Big Tens and the NCAA's. Not sure if the scoring was the same back then so it might not have been 30 points.
CT - If that did happen then there definitely would be some scoring changes but I can't believe that I never noticed that before or the NCAA for that matter. All I can say is WOW what a clusterf**k if something like that ever happened.
Too close of a differential, in my opinion, you could possibly have the champ, with the tougher path, get a major and few decisions, score less points, than the guy finishing 3rd, with the easier path and a bunch pins.
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion.
Good point.
That isn't the case though. The guys in the consi bracket are there because they usually slug out the 7-5 win. If they were bonus machines, they would still be in the winner's bracket.
You're right. Bonus is more likely for a super stud who gets to consis prematurely, compared to that same super stud if he stays in the winner's bracket as long as possible. Bonus is not more likely for regular joes who get to consis at the deserved time, compared to the better wrestlers in the winner's bracket.
Gamesmanshipwise, a medical forfeit now cannot be used to deprive your opponent of pinfall points. If medical forfeits were worth less than a pin, then a guy would be able to medical forfeit to avoid a pin. In this past Big 10 tournament, when PSU was furiously trying to come back, if MFFs were worth less than pins, then tOSU wrestlers, in head to head matches, would have had the option to slow PSU down by choosing to medical forfeit. And Ryan would have known and used it if it woulda helped him. And that would not be fun to watch.
I haven't read all the posts on this, so maybe someone else will make the same point. I agree with you, that I don't see a benefit of defaulting, UNLESS Ryan was hurt and his Dad, expecting him to lose to Murphy anyway, wanted him to be as healthy as possible in the consys with the hope of qualifying for NCAA's.
AJ Schopp would be an example of that a couple of years ago. He lost first round and then scored 4 falls in consys to place 3rd. Could very well have scored more points by losing 1st round than if he had gotten to semis.
It would be even worse in dual meets. The MFF would be every team's George Carpenter. Teams would be MFF'ing to Zain left and right. Very bad for entertainment and the John Wayne way.
I think Nick Nevills is on Snyder's side of the bracket. If Snyder really is unbeatable, and if Snyder can never get injured before Nick meets him in the winner's bracket, then Nick, being a pinner, would be a candidate for the trick. I said "if"; I would never recommend the trick because it is wimpy and oblique and Un-American. [Rulon Gardner proved that no one is unbeatable]
It's 100% necessary, though. You can't give a competitor the opportunity to limit your potential team scoring by MFing.
I believe there were 94 Majors in 2016. Looking at all bonus point wins, 53% were in the Championship bracket, 47% in Wrestle-backs. It's just one year, however that's really close. There are the same number of bouts in both brackets (32 in championship, 32 in wrestle-backs).
