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Looks like everything for Penn State is the same as pre-seeds.

6 first round byes. Good to rest and advance. Not-so-good for team points. But in terms of the big picture, it is likely best to stay healthy and rested.
 
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I thought if you had a first round bye and you won your first actual match, they gave you the advancement points and bonus points for both matches the same as what is earned in the actual match you wrestled. Am I confused again (or still)?
 
The bracket only shows to 8th place. If 9 advance to NCAA's do the losers of the 5th and 7th place bouts wrestle for 9th? (and can it earn team points?)
 
PSUranger said:
The bracket only shows to 8th place. If 9 advance to NCAA's do the losers of the 5th and 7th place bouts wrestle for 9th? (and can it earn team points?)
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Losers of 5th and 7th will finish 6th and 8th. The next 4 guys after 8th will form a mini tournament to determine 9th/10th, etc. Does not count for team points.
 
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RBY With tremendous draw in my opinion. Misses Suriano and Lizak both. I don’t see anything I really dislike that much. Berge With tough road but what do you expect.
 
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lookleft goright said:
I thought if you had a first round bye and you won your first actual match, they gave you the advancement points and bonus points for both matches the same as what is earned in the actual match you wrestled. Am I confused again (or still)?
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I could be wrong but I think you just get the rest and get screwed on the points perspective? Feel there would be a ton more hell raised for 2 seeds if you get advancement and bonus with it.
 
Is there a reason the #3 seed Warner from Iowa gets the bye at 197lbs instead of Moore who is the #2 seed? Every other weight has the #1 and #2 seeds with the bye.
 
jrd23psu said:
Is there a reason the #3 seed Warner from Iowa gets the bye at 197lbs instead of Moore who is the #2 seed? Every other weight has the #1 and #2 seeds with the bye.
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Luck of the draw on any weight that isn’t seeded past the top 8.
 
wrestlinPSU said:
RBY With tremendous draw in my opinion. Misses Suriano and Lizak both.
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hard to call any seed/draw @ 133 tremendous.

He's in the top half of the bracket. He's likely to face Pletcher in the quarters, and if wins that he'll have Mcic in the semis.

In the bottom half the bracket, DeSanto, Suriano and Lizak are big obstacles.

RBY is a wildcard, in that he's a true fresh, and his speed is faster than possibly anyone at the weight. The lack of experience could be a hindrance, and Pletcher having time to prepare for him (and being really tough to score on) could also be a problem. Between his injury this season, and the B1G scheduling craziness, he has very little experience against the guys I've mentioned above. That could work to his advantage, or could work to his disadvantage.

133 @ B1Gs will be really interesting. There should be some really tough matches in the consolations.
 
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Only change from the pre-seeds that I noticed:
165: Bryce Martin is #6 and Campbell is #7 (opposite in pre-seeds)

Interesting that at 149 where they had the random draw that possibly the 2 toughest matchups went to the #1 and #2 seeds. Ashnault has the kid who gave him the best match of the year (outside of Lugo 3-1 in OT). Jordan has Bannister from Maryland who I thought might qualify a spot at one point.

I understand why they random draw at 285 with the allocations at 7 (thanks Maryland and Nebraska) but just doesn't seem right that Hemida and Parris hit in the first round. Although #3-#9 seeds were so close in head-to-head results that I am sure there are some coaches out there that feel those are actually the #8 and #9 wrestlers in the bracket so it probably does not end up being that big of a deal in the end.

Interesting enough, I thought Parris and Hemida should be 8 v 9 in my projections that probably weighted head-to-head to heavily even though I knew they would not end up that way since Parris was getting a lot of respect in the national coaches ranking.
 
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Tom McAndrew said:
hard to call any seed/draw @ 133 tremendous.

He's in the top half of the bracket. He's likely to face Pletcher in the quarters, and if wins that he'll have Mcic in the semis.

In the bottom half the bracket, DeSanto, Suriano and Lizak are big obstacles.

RBY is a wildcard, in that he's a true fresh, and his speed is faster than possibly anyone at the weight. The lack of experience could be a hindrance, and Pletcher having time to prepare for him (and being really tough to score on) could also be a problem. Between his injury this season, and the B1G scheduling craziness, he has very little experience against the guys I've mentioned above. That could work to his advantage, or could work to his disadvantage.

133 @ B1Gs will be really interesting. There should be some really tough matches in the consolations.
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The path is certainly relevant to the competition strength. He could be wrestling Lizak or Suriano in second round. I'll take the uninspiring Pletcher all day long. That draw was best case scenario for him.
 
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Great draw for tOSU in terms of getting R16 matches. Of the top 4 these are the # of R16 matches (not byes):

tOSU-9
Mich-7
Iowa-6
PSU-4

That gives tOSU an early advantage in bonus opportunities. We should catch up over time, but expect tOSU to have a good lead going into semis.
 
Free Advancement Point or Half-Point for those with byes...IF they win their next bout. No bonus points.
 
tomsc said:
Great draw for tOSU in terms of getting R16 matches. Of the top 4 these are the # of R16 matches (not byes):

tOSU-9
Mich-7
Iowa-6
PSU-4

That gives tOSU an early advantage in bonus opportunities. We should catch up over time, but expect tOSU to have a good lead going into semis.
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Bonus points always important, but key #1 at this tournament are Placement Points.
 
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Bonus points always important, but key #1 at this tournament are Placement Points.
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I agree! That's why I mentioned results heading into semis--don't want to see anyone getting out on the ledge if tOSU has a significant lead at that point. I'm confident of final results if everyone stays healthy.
 
I woul he rather they just fill the brackets with fodder than give any byes.

What's the explanation for the top seeds not getting the byes at 149 and Hwt?
 
GogglesPaizano said:
I woul he rather they just fill the brackets with fodder than give any byes.

What's the explanation for the top seeds not getting the byes at 149 and Hwt?
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Because 149 and 285 are only seeding to 8. It's only the brackets that are seeded to 14 that the #1 and #2 seeds automatically get byes.
 
Watch tOSU win again this year at B1Gs ...

except I can't see that cause the last 2 years required super performances by tOSU (with much better teams) and injuries/meltdowns by us

2017:
1. Suriano hurt
2. MyMar beat Bo
3. Jimmy literally forgot how to wrestle at B1Gs

2018:
1. Nolf hurt
2. Lee loses to Carr (should have at least made it to Joey)

Albeit, I always had a feeling tOSU would win B1Gs last year, their team was obviously legit and B1G favors teams with a lot of good wrestlers whereas nationals favors teams with hammers

I looked at NCAAs points by category last year and the obviously difference was the hammers

tOSU vs PSU

Bonus: 24 vs 23.5 (Yes, they outbonused us! Thanks to an injury default/medical forfeit)

Advancement: 31.5 to 28

Placement: 79 vs 91 (there was the difference! 4 Champs 1 Runner up to 1 Champ 1 runner up)
 
GogglesPaizano said:
I woul he rather they just fill the brackets with fodder than give any byes.

What's the explanation for the top seeds not getting the byes at 149 and Hwt?
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What do you mean fodder? they have 14 teams in the tournament, do you want backups to fill the other 2 spots? possibly high school wrestlers? have them wrestle an exhibition against a training partner of their choice?

Also, your question was answered immediately in this thread. Other than that, I agree with all you've said
 
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tomsc said:
Great draw for tOSU in terms of getting R16 matches. Of the top 4 these are the # of R16 matches (not byes):

tOSU-9
Mich-7
Iowa-6
PSU-4

That gives tOSU an early advantage in bonus opportunities. We should catch up over time, but expect tOSU to have a good lead going into semis.
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bonus points should not be awarded for first round matches. Only advancement points. Problem solved
 
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tomsc said:
Great draw for tOSU in terms of getting R16 matches. Of the top 4 these are the # of R16 matches (not byes):

tOSU-9
Mich-7
Iowa-6
PSU-4

That gives tOSU an early advantage in bonus opportunities. We should catch up over time, but expect tOSU to have a good lead going into semis.
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another alternative could be to assign the final seeds. Then assign first round matches based on priority given to the top seeds. Go down the list and give each wrestler the option of wrestling in the first round. Some may choose to wrestle for bonus possibilities. Others may want to sit to rest. If you get through the entire list and not all first round matches are set, then go to random draw.
 
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149, 197, and 285...
Wrestlers beyond the top eight seeds are randomly placed in the brackets.

It’s simply because those three weight classes did not earn enough qualification slots for the conference.
 
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