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Why is he not entering opens? He competed in 1 open early season, I have seen nothing since? I heard on a pod cast the week of midlands that he would compete at 157 at the midlands, No show? injury? sick? I do believe that he is ear marked to replace THE ZAIN TRAIN. I would think that staff would want him to get as many college matches under his belt as possible.

Do we have trouble brewing here? possible transfer?

DO we have an injury?

Is training with Nolf, Zain and company enough is the staffs eyes?
 
tabenn said:
Why is he not entering opens? He competed in 1 open early season, I have seen nothing since? I heard on a pod cast the week of midlands that he would compete at 157 at the midlands, No show? injury? sick? I do believe that he is ear marked to replace THE ZAIN TRAIN. I would think that staff would want him to get as many college matches under his belt as possible.

Do we have trouble brewing here? possible transfer?

DO we have an injury?

Is training with Nolf, Zain and company enough is the staffs eyes?
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How many opens did Nico and Zain enter while shirting?
 
To date, Verkleeren has entered two opens. Joseph wrestled in two his first year. Plenty of Opens between now and the end of the season.
 
Somebody in my area mentioned a rumor that he was leaving. They said they read it somewhere on the internet (no clue where). Perhaps they were just trying to rile me up. I don't think there's enough (or any) concrete evidence that he'd be leaving, but that was just this past weekend.

I hope he is just learning in the wrestling room and the classroom. How much he wants to compete as a RS is his business.
 
Between the guys on the team and the NLWC, there is no better place to be than SC. Taylor was getting his ass kicked......then was in four straight finals.

Not worried. Staff can manage RS just fine.
 
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How many opens did Nico and Zain enter while shirting?
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I'm not sure why you even wasted your time posting this. That's a completely ridiculous comparison and you know it. Nico had already been through 3 seasons (all top 30 when he redshirted and Zain was through 1 season in which he finished 5th. They were in no way at the same place in their careers that he is. You're usually better than this. It's a fair question being asked no matter what the answer actually is.
 
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He was supposed to wrestle at Midlands and was a last minute scratch. He did a good interview over the Christmas break on a local Minnesota internet show (I think along with Griffin Parriot) and talked about adjusting to college life and the PSU room. No hint that anything was wrong.
 
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Could be many reasons for this - mostly because getting to opens falls down on the priority scale behind a few other things during a RS year.

The #1 priority may well be academics, followed closely by being healthy enough to compete in the room. As roar points out dollars and sense comes into play here and getting to each open is less important than we as fans would like.

These guys aren't preparing for a couple of killer tournaments in March, nor are they in need of seeking a competition level they can't find in their own room.

I would expect it's a bit of pot luck. If things work out, we get to see them compete.
 
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y2jriden said:
I'm not sure why you even wasted your time posting this. That's a completely ridiculous comparison and you know it. Nico had already been through 3 seasons (all top 30 when he redshirted and Zain was through 1 season in which he finished 5th. They were in no way at the same place in their careers that he is. You're usually better than this. It's a fair question being asked no matter what the answer actually is.
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Thank you for confirming my point that shirt year goals and therefore approaches vary from person to person.

Any thoughts on why we automatically go to "is he transferring" about Berge with no evidence other than fewer matches than fans expect, regardless of what his goals and plans for this year are?
 
El-Jefe said:
Thank you for confirming my point that shirt year goals and therefore approaches vary from person to person.

Any thoughts on why we automatically go to "is he transferring" about Berge with no evidence other than fewer matches than fans expect, regardless of what his goals and plans for this year are?
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I asked the transfer question, due to the fact it seems to be pretty popular these days.---I have heard nothing concerning any transfers to or from PSU.

I would simply like to see Berge Compete--- this is the only reason I asked the question.

I will say this also--I am in no way questioning what the coaching staff is doing--proof is in the results--and this staff gets results!!!
 
El-Jefe said:
Thank you for confirming my point that shirt year goals and therefore approaches vary from person to person.

Any thoughts on why we automatically go to "is he transferring" about Berge with no evidence other than fewer matches than fans expect, regardless of what his goals and plans for this year are?
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I hear Berge is beating Nolf in the room. He actually taught him the Winn Dixie. :)
 
tabenn said:
Bo 17 matches his RS year
Cenzo--8 matches RS year--would be more but missed weight at SS
Nolf-- 16 matched RS year.
Manville--only 5 matches this year--maybe a trend with new recruits??

Im not criticizing coach what so ever--im just curious of anyone knows the reasoning behind this
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How many of the matches were at the NLO for those guys?
 
jrd23psu said:
This isn't a fair comparison. Neither Nico or Zain were true freshman when they shirted. Nico had already wrestled three years.
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It's far fairer than fearing transfer because of Suriano, whose departure had nothing to do with shirting.

But in any case: # matches for our other shirts this year: Lee 18 (prior to being pulled); Verk 11; Blumer 9; Clabaugh, Obendorfer 6; Berge, Anvil, Hoeg 5; McClanahan 4.

Once we ignore Lee (who was clearly training to possibly start), the next 2 guys are both in-state. Berge's match count is in line with the rest, all of whom except Clabaugh are non-residents. $$$$

Berge was registered for Midlands but withdrew, and I don't recall us ever finding out why. Not that we're entitled to know, but it would calm some fears (and probably stoke new ones).
 
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tabenn said:
Why is he not entering opens? He competed in 1 open early season, I have seen nothing since? I heard on a pod cast the week of midlands that he would compete at 157 at the midlands, No show? injury? sick? I do believe that he is ear marked to replace THE ZAIN TRAIN. I would think that staff would want him to get as many college matches under his belt as possible.

Do we have trouble brewing here? possible transfer?

DO we have an injury?

Is training with Nolf, Zain and company enough is the staffs eyes?
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This is a reasonable post, except for the unnecessary speculation about trouble, possible transfer, and injury.
 
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CropDuster507 said:
Somebody in my area mentioned a rumor that he was leaving. They said they read it somewhere on the internet (no clue where). Perhaps they were just trying to rile me up. I don't think there's enough (or any) concrete evidence that he'd be leaving, but that was just this past weekend.

I hope he is just learning in the wrestling room and the classroom. How much he wants to compete as a RS is his business.

Your a great poster Crop, but, what does one have too do with the other. Devils advocate: he is leaving. Why would that prevent him from gaining experience? He is a class kid in a room like no other. He is fine and I’m looking forward to the next four years with Brady et. al.
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The interview by Bryant with Brody and Purdue 157 pounder Griffin Parriott prior to the Midlands left me with the impression Brody was enjoying his Penn State experience.

I was disappointed he ended up not wrestling in the Midlands, but that disappointment was entirely fan oriented.

Speculating about transfers and what have you is understandable, we are all fans and we wonder about things generally due to the lack of information. I tend to assume everything is great until Willie comes on here and starts a rumor.;)
 
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nitlion6 said:
The interview by Bryant with Brody and Purdue 157 pounder Griffin Parriott prior to the Midlands left me with the impression Brody was enjoying his Penn State experience.

I was disappointed he ended up not wrestling in the Midlands, but that disappointment was entirely fan oriented.

Speculating about transfers and what have you is understandable, we are all fans and we wonder about things generally due to the lack of information. I tend to assume everything is great until Willie comes on here and starts a rumor.;)
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Good stuff!!
 
El-Jefe said:
It's far fairer than fearing transfer because of Suriano, whose departure had nothing to do with shirting.

But in any case: # matches for our other shirts this year: Lee 18 (prior to being pulled); Verk 11; Blumer 9; Clabaugh, Obendorfer 6; Berge, Anvil, Hoeg 5; McClanahan 4.

Once we ignore Lee (who was clearly training to possibly start), the next 2 guys are both in-state. Berge's match count is in line with the rest, all of whom except Clabaugh are non-residents. $$$$

Berge was registered for Midlands but withdrew, and I don't recall us ever finding out why. Not that we're entitled to know, but it would calm some fears (and probably stoke new ones).
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I think it's fair to wonder why he's not competing from a fan perspective. I'm not concerned that he's transferring but for other recruits at his level he hasn't competed as much.

It's not fair to compare him to Nico and Zain because as others said they were both in the starting line-up their freshman years and redshirted later in their careers.

In your comparison to other redshirts this year, it's more reasonable to compare him to Verk than to Clabaugh, Obendorfer, Anvil, etc. as they are projected 'room guys' and not projected to be in the mix for a starting spot next year (just being realistic, not doubting that those individuals don't believe that they can compete). Verk is a comparable recruit and someone that will be in the mix next year and has 6 more matches under his belt.

Some have mentioned $$$ which I get but you also have to wonder if that's an issue for a recruit that could have gone to many other schools for a greater chunk of scholarship. I'm sure his parent's are paying more for him to attend here than other schools he could have gone to. If they are paying that much for him to attend, you don't think they could help him out financially to enter an open tournament that will help him gain experience for next year?

Again, not saying it's fair to jump off a cliff right away with concerns of him transferring but it's fair to wonder whats up (whether we are entitled to know or not)
 
El-Jefe said:
It's far fairer than fearing transfer because of Suriano, whose departure had nothing to do with shirting.

But in any case: # matches for our other shirts this year: Lee 18 (prior to being pulled); Verk 11; Blumer 9; Clabaugh, Obendorfer 6; Berge, Anvil, Hoeg 5; McClanahan 4.

Once we ignore Lee (who was clearly training to possibly start), the next 2 guys are both in-state. Berge's match count is in line with the rest, all of whom except Clabaugh are non-residents. $$$$

Berge was registered for Midlands but withdrew, and I don't recall us ever finding out why. Not that we're entitled to know, but it would calm some fears (and probably stoke new ones).
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If you wouldn't have responded with the ridiculous Nico/Zain comparison, everyone responding to you would have probably just agreed with you.
 
Granted, Sanderson doesn't grasp at straws very often (if ever), but I do know that when Iowa recruited Berge's older brother my nephew, who coaches in the same area where the Berges are from, said that he was never even close to DI caliber. Sure enough, he left Iowa very quickly, as he realized that.

I'm ONLY pondering, but I wonder if this could possibly be the case with this Berge. Again, ONLY pondering, as I really don't know much about this Berge.
 
He was a three time Minn state champ and was undefeated. He was the Minn Mr wrestler as a senior. I don't know him at all, but this sure seems like a D1 level wrestler.
 
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Granted, Sanderson doesn't grasp at straws very often (if ever), but I do know that when Iowa recruited Berge's older brother my nephew, who coaches in the same area where the Berges are from, said that he was never even close to DI caliber. Sure enough, he left Iowa very quickly, as he realized that.

I'm ONLY pondering, but I wonder if this could possibly be the case with this Berge. Again, ONLY pondering, as I really don't know much about this Berge.
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Brady can actually ride. Broc couldn't stay on top of anyone with a pulse and inch of athletic talent. Broc tended to dominate with go-behinds and over-powering, whereas Brady was more technical. Fair question to ask, in my opinion.

I remember when Broc got foot-sweeped and pinned by Sammy Brooks in the Fargo Finals and thinking "Yeah, he might not pan out."
 
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Good God, the Iowa training in incessantly screaming for "stalling" calls has spilled over into Minnesota! Found this shot of Berge's coach, who was an Iowa grad.

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True freshman is 4-1 and hasn't wrestled more live in the half year he's been here? NOT D1 MATERIAL BARGGHHH

Troll thread.
 
I have watched Brady many times including against current D1 wrestlers and he certainly has the skill set. Verk has wrestled more this year (and looked good doing it), but Berge earned his reputation and high ranking coming out of high school. I expect a great career, and nothing to this point has lowered my expectations.
 
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tabenn said:
Okay--what does Dollars and sense have to do with it? I realize that is cost per wrestler to register for tourney-- but why some RS go to many opens and others few??

I guess what Im saying is I do nott understand your comment
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Red shirting wrestlers pay their own way out of pocket.
 
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tabenn said:
Okay--what does Dollars and sense have to do with it? I realize that is cost per wrestler to register for tourney-- but why some RS go to many opens and others few??

I guess what Im saying is I do nott understand your comment
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The university can not pay any costs for the RS to travel. Even an open like Edinboro will generally require a hotel room for overnight, plus transportation to get there, food while they are away. Something like the Scuffle is even costlier.

Best case is that the RSs who are going carpool and then split a hotel room there. But this is not always feasible.
 
has anyone given any thought as to why Verk went to the scuffle and Berge was supposed to go to midlands?
 
tabenn said:
Okay--what does Dollars and sense have to do with it? I realize that is cost per wrestler to register for tourney-- but why some RS go to many opens and others few??

I guess what Im saying is I do nott understand your comment
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Tournament registration is a fraction of the costs related to travel, lodging. I'm not ready to assume that just because a wrestler attends college paying out of state tuition that he can afford to get from tournament to tournament. Even if x was true yesterday it might not be true today, with respect to personal finance.
 
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tabenn said:
Okay--what does Dollars and sense have to do with it? I realize that is cost per wrestler to register for tourney-- but why some RS go to many opens and others few??

I guess what Im saying is I do nott understand your comment
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I believe your question has been answered...above, by several other folks.

My "dollars and sense", was about the DOLLARS spent by the family for the RS to wrestle, again explained very well above, and whether it makes SENSE, meaning every tournament is not created equal and other intangibles.
 
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