Brian Flores suing NFL in Class Action for racism
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Okay--that's seems to contradict the suit but either way let's be honest that the Rooney Rule (well-intentioned) also is going to create sham interviews.
Most interviews are shams. Probably 8 jobs out of 10 already have their candidate and then interview to satisfy a HR requirement.
So of four interviews 3 are shams on 80 percent of senior job openings.
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Completely agree which also causes issues because people feel lied to
Catching him betting is always an issue. But if you offer the coach $100k per game to tank, then why not have your nephew bet $100k to even up the cost.
Scary scenario is if word gets out that a tank has been ordered from the top and people start betting against the tank. If Flores provides proof of his orders, every losing bettor should have a class action lawsuit to get their money back. Integrity of the game is lost and betting dollars sink. THEN congress holds hearings to get to the bottom of the fraud and that is never good.
Gambling runs the NFL.
Dolphins kind of trashed his character after they fired him. They can’t be surprised that he retaliated.
If he has proof of payment of the pay to tank scheme, Ross is done as an owner. I find it hard to believe an NFL payroll, even an off the books payroll, would explicitly document that though.
The racial allegations are probably an attempt to find and expose real examples of discriminatory hiring. Not so sure Flores falls in there. Still, it brings attention to an issue that the league should question why the numbers are so off. 70% of the athletes are black, only one guy from that percentage is good enough to head coach? Seems intentionally off or it speaks to poor systems that fail to help these guys grow into better candidates.
If he has proof of payment of the pay to tank scheme, Ross is done as an owner. I find it hard to believe an NFL payroll, even an off the books payroll, would explicitly document that though.
The racial allegations are probably an attempt to find and expose real examples of discriminatory hiring. Not so sure Flores falls in there. Still, it brings attention to an issue that the league should question why the numbers are so off. 70% of the athletes are black, only one guy from that percentage is good enough to head coach? Seems intentionally off or it speaks to poor systems that fail to help these guys grow into better candidates.
Obviously it is not racist in and of itself. I don’t even know how you work the race card in there. Someone (you?) earlier said the scheme placed Flores in a Kobayashi Maru (sp?) situation— win and you are fired for insubordination or lose and you are fired for losing too many games. Flores may be trying a Captain Kirk by looking for the third option. Mutually assured destruction where he walks away with lots of money.
This aspect of the case will probably be the most interesting. The NFL will fight to excise this allegation from the lawsuit and prevent any discovery which could prove its truth. We pretend a lot of things but to have proof pop out of this lawsuit that undermines the credibility of the NFL could be very bad. Injury reports are simply to benefit the betting industry but we know that some teams are not honest about it. But we pretend until there is proof and a team loses a draft pick. Proof of tanking seems worse to me.
I seem to be in the minority with my opinion so we shall see.
It really just depends on manipulating the math. I really haven’t seen any evidence of racism in this coaches case. I see incompetence on the part of the franchise and probably corruption but we’ve known teams tank games for decades. Unless new evidence comes to light the teen racism is being used for shock value. He was making $3m per year in salary plus a ton of side hustles these guys get (public appearances, shows, commercials, access to collectibles, coaching clinics, etc).
i think he was mad he was told to tank games and then was fired. He is just playing the PR game to get a big settlement.
You're making a huge leap IMO
Again, everyone in the world new Miami was tanking--they just did a horrible job at it.
Interesting question. The year Ross wanted him to tank was the year Burrow was available for the draft. Dolphins offered Bengals 3 no. 1s as first offer to go from (No. 4 I believe) to no. 1. If Dolphins had gotten Burrow they would easily be a playoff team. Right long term strategy for them in terms of future wins but unethical to current players on team.
Mason Rudolph should have sued Garrett for as much as he could because of the false racism claims - even his own teammates confirmed that lie. Glad to see Garrett doing something positive as even his own teammates do not seem to respect him.
So that was pay to lose in the 2019 season for the 2020 draft. That was the popular fan chant of tank for tua year leading into the regular season. Then burrow blows the roof off of college football and tua gets hurt. Rumor after the draft was Flores wanted Herbert over tua, who they took anyway at 5 because everyone believed Ross was targeting tua the whole time with the tanking. Fans down here perceived the tua pick as preordained, but as you mentioned, they tried to trade up for burrow and apparently told Flores to shut it about Herbert. Pretty crazy.
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I think the point is that number is a large percentage of guys who should have an advantage in coaching the sport because they played it for years at college and at the highest level. You would think player/coaches would be more attractive assistant hires to college and nfl teams and that eventually a certain percentage of those assistants would develop into consistent head coach candidates. Hasn’t really happened that way for black coaches despite the percentages they represent on the field. Not sure it is always racism, but the nfl did have to put a rule in place that said please don’t appear to be racist when hiring your next coach.
Crosby's draft selection was via ping pong balls. So still a great deal of luck involved. Lemieux yes total tank.
I am not naive about tanking. It happens. Aren’t you from Cleveland where the movie Major League was set? Tanking has been portrayed in many TV shows and movies.Wow, just heard the WWF is fixed! Can you guys believe that? Its on like donkey kong and they are going DOWN!
Seriously, the sports media pretending like this is news and they didn't know is pretty funny.
You could argue that sitting starters after clinching is a form of tanking. The league seems to discourage that practice even though it is totally understandable. But the league wants you to put the best product on the field for TV and keep the gamblers happy because they have to adjust the line for those situations.
However this case involves incentivized tanking ordered by the owner. Dolphin fans may have been OK with it but the league wants the best product on the field every week. That is a naive statement but the league has to tell TV the teams will do their best each game otherwise TV won’t want to pay for bad games when they bid on packages.
Well, incentivizing tanking doesn't seem so bad. I work for a company and they tell me what to do. I have two options: do it or quit. I've done both. Sometimes I hold my nose and do it. If it is morally wrong and/or will hurt my reputation in the industry, I quit. These coaches may well have clauses that give them bonus money for hitting win totals. The money may well be a way to get them onboard with tanking and not hurt them financially. Or, it may be that they know losing games will hurt the coach's value on the open market. I really don't care one way or the other. Now, if there was a leak and betting going on that is a different story...but not any different than someone betting or leaking injury reports, internal strife, or playbooks. We all know when a team starts tanking. BTW, dolphins went 8-1 after starting 1-7. If ownership wants to tank games, you tank games or get fired. That appears to be what happened.
Good post. The very late claim that Mason said something racist was insult to injury. First Garrett hits him over the head with a helmet (after Mason's helmet comes off!), and when Garrett understandably gets suspended and pilloried over this, he comes out like a week later with an obviously made up charge against Mason...as if to explain his assault with a deadly weapon. IMO, Garrett is lucky he wasn't suspended for a year for what was the most dangerous thing I've ever seen on a FB field.
7,000 BM's are murdered by BM's every year and nothing is mentioned. The few incidents by police involving BM's was atrocious and they should have been fired on the spot. Chicago averages 75-85 shootings each weekend; one Memorial Day weekend there were "134" shot. Those 6 murder mentioned were barley covered by the media. Heck, neither Summer nor AOC even attended the funerals of the two NYPD Officers, yet thousands attended George Floyd funeral.
The Liberal Dems knelt and said a prayer for Floyd on the Senate steps. Did they do that four the 4 Dallas cops murdered, or all the other police murdered in the line of duty, or how about a soldier kia!
Can not pay tribute to PO's killed or soldiers and loose the vote of a certain minority group, More Important!!!
I tend to believe him. His body of work has been that he's a very nice guy and the perfect teammate. He does a TON of charitable work and never seeks to elevate or publicize it. It is well known, if you want a sports star for a health related or soup kitchen type of event, you call his team first.
He believes he heard it. Was it said? IDK, but he believes he heard it. There was no other way for him to go off like that.
How many black coaches are there? It's not like the opportunities will be flowing in even if he did not sue.
Sorry to disagree with you here because I usually seem to mostly agree with your viewpoints.
When you play with the injury report, the team can lose a draft pick. When Spygate occurred, it was one of those "everyone does it" situations, but it was the Patriots. Deflagate gate wasn't much different.
The NFL brand depends on putting on good games. TV asks for it when they negotiate. Gambling demands it. Neither of us is surprised or consider it to be a shock to the universe. My take however is that the NFL has to protect its brand at all costs here. It's a lot more serious than whether Brady took some air out of the ball.
I do agree with that. At issue is overt or covert. One assumed that teams playing for draft spots put second teamers in and called bad plays in order to start planning for next season. So, if you have a $5m player and a rookie backing him up, you play the rookie so you get greater visibility into personnel decisions for the next year. With contracts NOT being guaranteed, this happens all the time.
But you figure that is kept within the football operations side of the biz. Here, we see it is overt and systemic all the way to the owner.
Am I surprised? No, not at all. You'd have to be very naive to believe this didn't happen. Is it a problem that we now know? Yes, from a PR standpoint. But, again, we really knew it all along.
If you don’t understand the difference in an armed police officer killing an unarmed civilian as opposed to random killings there is no sense in discussing this any further.
And, for the other chowder heads. Most professional athletes do great work in their community. Ken and Barbie on your local news don’t cover it. So, we don’t hear about it. National news is too busy pushing their agenda.
How many unarmed people have been killed by police officers over the last few years?
Garret’s lie was never confirmed by any player or official. Players on both teams were interviewed and no one could confirm what Garrett claims Rudolph said..it was a pure fabrication to try to cover what should have been deemed a criminal act on Garrett’s. He is a thug…no matter what his local PR machine is trying to generate.
I get that. I don't know if you've ever played football at any level, let alone the NFL. When you are tackling someone, you don't hear a lot let alone hear clearly. At the same time, there were only three people in a position to hear (Garrett, Rudolf and the Steelers OLmen, and the steelers OL was several yards away when the tussle began). All of them were engaged in a very loud environment.
So it doesn't surprise me one bit nobody else heard it. It really comes down to the QBs word against Garretts. And, as I said, Garrett may have well thought he heard something that Rudolf didn't say. In the video, you can see it was a clean play until Rudolf starts in with extra curricular activities. Both are on the ground a couple of yards from anyone else. Rudolf starts pushing and shoving. The Steelers OL pulls the two of them up and separated them, then Rudolf comes after Garrett. Garrett then swings with Rudolf's helmet.
Finally, Garrett has no history of this before or after this incident. So what got him so upset? I don't know.
Normally the cynical side of me would agree, but NFL owners collude like plantation owners and one black head coach in a league with predominantly black players smells very bad. They rehire losers continually rather than give black assistants a chance. This league should be 50% black head coaches minimum. Hopefully dolphins and Washington owners are stripped of their teams and we get some black ownership.
I think he's a liar, based upon these two facts: (1) nobody else heard it (what, did Mason whisper in his ear?); and (2) if I recall correctly, it was a week to 10 days after the incident that he came up with this story. If true, he would have screamed this from the start, as an explanation for his borderline criminal behavior.
I have played football and many, many other sports. It would have clearly been heard by someone. Maybe not heard by everyone, but by someone. It was not because it was never said.
And NOTHING excuses a swinging of the helmet in that fashion. Do that in society and it is aggravated assault. Don’t really care what his prior record is it is not (I suspect it is not as pristine as you think). No one defended him on either team of any background.
Garrett is a thug.
Exactly…lying thug…Tomlin smelled it out a mile away…and none of his teammates supported his bogus story…if it were just a lie, one could more easily forgive…but that helmet swinging stuff could have killed a human being…
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Why should half the coaches be black? Explain that thought process. And of course coaches get second chances instead of hiring someone new.
Dennis Green (Vikes/Cards), Ray Rhodes (Eagles/Packers), Tony Dungy (Bucs/Colts), Herm Edwards (Jets/Chiefs), Lovie Smith (Bears/Bucs), etc all got multiple chances as black head coaches so race is irrelevant as per usual.
And ownership of franchises should be based on who is willing to pay the most--like everything.
Ex players go into coaching in the greatest numbers. There are more black players. Statistics say all things being equal there should be more black head coaches. All things are obviously not equal.
That's illogical. Being a player and a coach aren't related especially being a head coach. If so, only elite players would coach.
You also predictably ignored the black coaches that had multiple chances--there's more if you want their names...
How many assistant coaches did Flores hire during his time in Miami? How many were white?
Roughly 40% of assistant coaches in the NFL are of African American descent. Naturally, 40ish% of head coaches would be of African American descent right?
Mike Tomlin is the only African American head coach in the NFL.
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