Again, owners want to win1 Period! You think they wouldn't hire a black guy if he was the best option? Get real!!
Brian Flores suing NFL in Class Action for racism
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There's no requirement to interview anyone white for the job?
And…..the Dolphins have figured this thing out. Apparently their new coach “identifies” as multiracial.
It's okay I'm sure some will say he's "not black enough"--Miami has now hired 2 minority head coaches in a row. That lawsuit looks suspect at best.
His father is black so I'm not sure why the word "identifies" is even being used. Not a criticism of you but the media.
Exactly the media. My post was sarcasm directed at the media.
I don't think the lawsuit, relative to racism, has any merit. I do believe this is a massive PR hit to the NFL.
But sports has been about competition. So my line of reasoning is:
- You compete so you put the best people you can afford out there to win.
- Winning is directly related to their income, all of them.
- As such, race and gender is not an issue based on the best person available theory.
- If race is an issue, why are 80% of players black? Does that need to be adjusted? Aside from owners, these are the highest-paid people in the NFL.
- If race is to be held in higher regard than merit, do we then legislate that 51% of players need to be female and 5% of players need to be asian? Perhaps another 8% need to be gay?
The answer to your last question is simple...it never ends...that's the nature of grievance hustling. One can always come up with reasons to feel wronged.
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Flores is a finalist for the Texans. They suck anyway, any chance the owners collude and incentivize the Texans to hire Flores?
Texans pulled an ace out of the hole and hired Lovie Smith.
Brilliant move.
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That will require more blacks to actually care about education/sellout to da man. Is there any tech company started by a American black?
Plenty of super bowl winning white coaches fired. Want to compare Andy reids record to Flores?
Those folks yelling about the racist owners now have to sort of look the other way and not criticize the hire. Can’t imagine why anyone would give Lovie another chance after he was so awful at Illinois.
He just needed to pitch Illinois as a gig he tried and realized recruiting wasn't his game.
Also Smith has done NFL head coaching before and was successful.
It's an easy hire and a way to avoid hiring Flores.
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Pretty poor example. I would bet the Steelers could have easily justified firing Tomlin as well as Noll and Cowher after several seasons. They just don't fire head coaches and value loyalty and stability as much as winning. Those 3 are the only coaches the Steelers have had since 1969.
The Belichick texts are not racist. Flores is trying to show that the hiring practices are racist by claiming that Bill's texts showed that he knew that Daboll was being hired before Flores even interviewed, making the interview a sham to satisfy the Rooney Rule. The problem for him, if the Giants' statement is true, is that the text was apparently sent before Daboll was even interviewed in person following an initial Zoom interview that all candidates went through. Maybe if he still has an inside source in the organization they told him something like it was Daboll's job to lose based on the first round interviews. But that doesn't prove it was a sham interview. Even if you like someone early in the process it's usually a good idea to interview some other qualified candidates as the first choice may not even be available.
Smith is clearly loved by his players, but does anyone seriously think this guys gonna turn things around in Houston? Already fired three times and stunk it up in Tampa Bay as well. They should’ve just kept Bill and never allowed him to have the final say with personnel .
Reid hasn’t been fired since he won Super Bowl. Let’s compare Flores to a similar career guy. How does Adam Gase get hired after failing in Miami? Flores has back to back winning seasons after roster is gutted.
That is impressive, and i'm an Eagles fan. The Steelers have always drafted like a franchise that has a brain.
Thought BF should have been given another year or two. I don't know how he got along with the owners and other coaches.
The trouble is Miami, NY, and Denver are brought up in his claim.
Flores did a good job with a poor roster, that is a fact. He did have a horrible relationship with team management and plenty of disagreements with the QB position. There seemed to be major personality clashes as strategic disagreements on the future of the roster.
As for the Jets, they remain one of the worst organizations in pro sports. I’m still convinced they hired Gase to tank as not sure even the Jets can be that stupid.
I honestly have no thoughts on the Flores situation. I haven't voluntarily watched an NFL game in 10+ years, including the Super Bowl. The league could fold tomorrow and I wouldn't care.
My intent was to say that at most franchises, Tomlin could have been justifiably canned. He isn't the brightest bulb in the pack. But he is loyal and hardworking. His record for quite a while has been mediocre at best. Which doesn't cut it for a majority of the NFL. Owners and GMs are too trigger happy to find the next great coach.
Only having 3 head coaches in 40+ years is damn impressive. Bet the league average is well above double that. Much of the Steelers success is related to that stability.
I am saying that in the gray subjective area of hiring where a a handful of candidates could all be good they seemingly manage to choose the white guy at a record clip. In your world the white guy is the obvious, clear cut best choice all the time. And yes I know Lovie Smith was just hired and saint Steve Ross hired a minority candidate so don't bring that up.
Having done a lot of hiring in my career, almost always out of any "handful of candidates", one of them will stand out. If an HC candidate that stands out is black, he'll get hired. Period.
They're is a saying I've always heard about the NFL: If you can play, they will find you. pink
I've got to think that holds true about the coaching end as well. Every owner wants to win the SB. Obviously some put the pieces together better than others. But I would bet if the greatest coach started painting himself hot pink he would still have a job.
I've seen a few cases in job openings where people wanted a certain hire, their top pick. Sometimes that worked and sometimes they went with someone else's. It's never 100% a done deal until it's over.
Do you not see the irony in calling for hiring quotas based on race, while at the same time citing that a 6% minority in this country (black males) make up 70% of the players in the league? Are you going to demand that NFL teams bring on white cornerbacks, since there are zero in the league?
Why are you saying don't bring up facts? Ross hired a black coach, fired that black coach then hired another minority coach. Where's the problem?
And no one said the white guy is the obvious, clear cut choice all the time but sometimes, see Daboll, they are.
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