BTN Live just opened with piece about Selection Committee in danger of devaluing Conf Championship

[Talpsu]

everyone keeps talking about scum getting in over PSU and frankly this is totally the wrong focus and a smart move by the committee. Basically they pulled a "look over here" maneuver. The argument should be about OSU automatically getting in. One of the biggest things in CF has always been about how you were playing down the stretch. Early losses were almost always forgiven but late season losses you were screwed. Now here we are debating Michigan who looks like garbage and just lost twice. One to a team psu blew out and the other to another team PSU beat but lost in double overtime while PSU pretty much controlled the game for 3 quarters.

Then you look at OSU, any they are darn lucky they don't have 3 additional losses right now. Do I think PSU is a top 4 team in the country? I don't really know but if PSU goes in and easily wins against Wisky then they deserve to be in OVER OSU. Michigan shouldn't even be part of the equation but like I said, all of a sudden its talk about UM and PSU while OSU is already in. WTF?!?!

 

[MoyerJones]

I agree that a lot of peeps are forgetting that the committee is ranking the teams as of "today". This does mean that things could change dramatically after Saturday.

Some add'l points:
tOSU is not as good as the committee says it is. Right now tOSU is closer to #6/7 than #1

I yawn every time some analyst says the committee needs to focus on who will match up against Bama. Then you have to take teams who beat big teams (PSU, M, OSU). Moreover, how did that type of analysis work in 2015 when tOSU won the chip?

It's obvious that the committee is either: (1) not taking the #8-30 rankings seriously, or (2) favoring schools and conferences. FSU, Auburn, OK, OKSU, etc. Iowa should be ranked. Maybe even Neb and Indiana if you are going to consider strength of schedule. And I know many may hate me for saying this, but a 4 loss Pitt should be ranked much higher. For arguments' sake, they beat PSU in a tough game on what is essentially a neutral field. They beat Clemson at Clemson! They're about 12 points away from being a 1L team.

It's just obvious that the committee is playing favorites with brand name teams.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Yes, BUT, PSU beat the two teams Michigan lost to, including destroying Iowa.

Against the six common opponents on their schedule, PSU is 6-0 and scUM is 4-2. PSU was 8-1 in B1G play while scUM was 7-2. PSU had the best B1G record in the Conference and won the B1G East Division, while scUM tied for the third best Conference record and took third in the B1G East Division. PSU is on an 8-game win streak, while scUM closed the season 1-2 losing to Iowa the week after PSU utterly destroyed the Hawkeyes and daO$U, who PSU beat while undefeated & #2, in the last game of season. Utterly absurd to claim scUM (or Wisconsin for that matter) should be ranked higher than PSU. If PSU beats Wisconsin, it becomes even more absurd as PSU would then be 7-0 against common opponents to scUM's 5-2...PSU's B1G record would be 9-1 to scUM's 7-2, PSU would have both a B1G East Division Championship and B1G Conference Championship over scUM, PSU would have 11 wins to scUM's 10, etc...

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Where you guys rank against Wiscy is irrelevant as it's going to be decided on the field....

Michigan on the other hand....I agree with your reasoning...

Not irrelevant to the Selection Committee's stated criteria for ranking teams. Only irrelevant because the teams will play on the field, but again not irrelevant in demonstrating the Selection Committee's tortured, biased and ever hypocritical "pretzel logic".

 

[BoulderFish]

Wrong. Once again you know jack shit.

If Washington loses and Clemson wins, PSU is NOT in. Michigan is in. Fact.

There is an OUTSIDE SHOT if Clemson Loses and Washington wins, but the ONLY sure way is if they both lose and PSU wins.

Uh no.

Sometimes I actually think you enjoy being wrong for some reason.

 

[joeparules]

This should be simple IF Penn State wins Saturday ... ask the committee which was the toughest conference this season and which division within that conference was the toughest? I'm sure they would agree the answers are 'B1G' and 'B1G East'. Then ask who won the B1G and what division did they come out of?

 

[21.Guns]

The bottomless pit of stoopid just can't help himself.

So.....this is gonna' be fun......explain to me, O Sage One, your "logical thinking process" that leads you to conclude that:

"If the #4 team loses, Michigan remains - without question - ahead of the #5 team (The B1G Champ), and enters the "Final Four"........
But, if the #3 team loses, somehow Michigan is more likely to be "jumped" by the #5 team (The B1G Champ), and the #5 team enters the "Final Four"
Even though - in both scenarios, whether Clemson or whether UW loses - the relative performance of Michigan vav the #5 team is exactly the same"


This is gonna' be good folks.....buckle up

Your level of complete and utter stoopid would be pity and empathy inspiring.......if it weren't for the complete a-hole manner in which you choose to display it

This is a level of stoopid that even Gunsie rarely reaches........FACT!


"Wanna Wrassle?"

Leave Miles alone

He can't hear you anyway remember? He has you on ignore, or so he says.......

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Uh no.

Sometimes I actually think you enjoy being wrong for some reason.

The best thing is when he puts down. FACT. It's like he has absolutely no clue what the word FACT means. I mean nobody should tell him what an opinion versus a fact is because he keeps adding to his charm.

 

[rohrmd9]

Look, I know most all of us see things through blue and white glasses but there are only four playoff scenarios and they are...


Clemson and Washington win… Bama/Washington and Clemson/OSU


Clemson loses… Bama/Michigan OSU/Washington


Washington loses… Bama/Michigan OSU/Clemson


Clemson and Washington both lose…Bama/BIG champ OSU/Michigan

I don't understand why people are having such a hard time believing that Michigan would get in over us. Everyone keeps comparing our common opponents..."well, they lost to Iowa and we beat the crap out of Iowa..." etc, etc. HELLO...Michigan beat us by almost 40 points. Yea the game was a long time ago and we were severely depleted personnel-wise, but you can't ignore the outcome. We got hammered by them and that's why we will not get in over them. Had it been a close game then it might be a different story but it wasn't.

And yes, the committee is essentially devaluing the conference championship games because Bama is in even if they lose to Florida (they will drop to a 2 or 3 seed but they are in regardless). And OSU and possibly Michigan are in without even playing in one. So that could be 3 of 4 teams in that didn't win their conference.

I'm hoping this "mess" leads to an expansion to an 8-team playoff. I like the idea (someone had it in this thread or another thread) of having the P5 conference champs, the highest ranked non-P5 team and 2 wildcards.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Look, I know most all of us see things through blue and white glasses but there are only four playoff scenarios and they are...


Clemson and Washington win… Bama/Washington and Clemson/OSU


Clemson loses… Bama/Michigan OSU/Washington


Washington loses… Bama/Michigan OSU/Clemson


Clemson and Washington both lose…Bama/BIG champ OSU/Michigan

I don't understand why people are having such a hard time believing that Michigan would get in over us. Everyone keeps comparing our common opponents..."well, they lost to Iowa and we beat the crap out of Iowa..." etc, etc. HELLO...Michigan beat us by almost 40 points. Yea the game was a long time ago and we were severely depleted personnel-wise, but you can't ignore the outcome. We got hammered by them and that's why we will not get in over them. Had it been a close game then it might be a different story but it wasn't.

And yes, the committee is essentially devaluing the conference championship games because Bama is in even if they lose to Florida (they will drop to a 2 or 3 seed but they are in regardless). And OSU and possibly Michigan are in without even playing in one. So that could be 3 of 4 teams in that didn't win their conference.

I'm hoping this "mess" leads to an expansion to an 8-team playoff. I like the idea (someone had it in this thread or another thread) of having the P5 conference champs, the highest ranked non-P5 team and 2 wildcards.

How much did Louisville beat FSU by? Where are they in the same poll we are talking about? UM cannot help itself this weekend at all. They cannot win a title and are 3rd in their division so the September losses may go away much like FSU's did, but it doesn't matter to us UNLESS PSU wins Saturday. I just want the BT title right now and whatever happens, happens.

 

[pierremc]

But during their talk DiNardo says that he thinks the Selection Committee got it right in regards to PSU, scUM and Wisconsin... Huh??? These teams all have the same record, but against IDENTICAL COMPETITION in B1G play, PSU has CLEARLY performed better. PSU and Wisconsin did not play each other, but played 6 of the same teams in Conference Play - against those 6 teams, PSU went 5-1, while Wisconsin went 4-2. Given that they are both in the East Division, PSU and scUM did play each other, but they also played 6 other B1G teams in-common including Iowa from the West Division. While scUM beat PSU in East Division play, scUM also went 4-2 against the 6 other common B1G Conference Opponents, while PSU went 6-0 against the other 6 common B1G Opponents! Add it all up, PSU was 8-1 in B1G play while both Wisconsin and scUM were 7-2 in B1G play. No how, no way......no justification whatsoever for having PSU ranked behind scUM or Wisconsin given those B1G records and the fact that PSU took the B1G East Title with the best Conference Record and both Wisconsin and scUM were tied for the third best Conference record! Simply absurd to claim that there is any case for having PSU ranked behind these teams as the OBJECTIVE B1G ON-FIELD results say PSU finished in front of both.

They did not play identical schedules. The big ten does not have a true round robin, and the committee recognizes that.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

They did not play identical schedules. The big ten does not have a true round robin, and the committee recognizes that.

Too funny, the B1G East Division does have full round-robin play - they also have "crossover" games just like any other league with Conferences and Divisions. Against common opponents including themselves, PSU was 6-1 and scUM was 5-2....PSU was 8-1 in B1G play and scUM was 7-2. PSU took 1st in the B1G East Division and scUM took 3rd in B1G East Division. PSU is playing in B1G Championship Game and scUM is sitting at home. LMFAO that the shizhole losers now want to negate on-field conference results in favor of their beloved teams versus PSU, but they're perfectly unbiased when it comes to PSU and the traditional b1g shizhole, don't you know? LMFAO!

 

[pierremc]

Too funny, the B1G East Division does have full round-robin play - they also have "crossover" games just like any other league with Conferences and Divisions. Against common opponents including themselves, PSU was 6-1 and scUM was 5-2....PSU was 8-1 in B1G play and scUM was 7-2. PSU took 1st in the B1G East Division and scUM took 3rd in B1G East Division. PSU is playing in B1G Championship Game and scUM is sitting at home. LMFAO that the shizhole losers now want to negate on-field conference results in favor of their beloved teams versus PSU, but they're perfectly unbiased when it comes to PSU and the traditional b1g shizhole, don't you know? LMFAO!

So you agree with me. They did not play the same conference schedule. Thanks.

 

[Lionspaw79]

Where did OSU pick up that second loss for a 7-2 conference record?

Better check your facts and math there, bright boy.

He said wisky and mich

 

[bjf1991]

Look, I know most all of us see things through blue and white glasses but there are only four playoff scenarios and they are...


Clemson and Washington win… Bama/Washington and Clemson/OSU


Clemson loses… Bama/Michigan OSU/Washington


Washington loses… Bama/Michigan OSU/Clemson


Clemson and Washington both lose…Bama/BIG champ OSU/Michigan

I don't understand why people are having such a hard time believing that Michigan would get in over us. Everyone keeps comparing our common opponents..."well, they lost to Iowa and we beat the crap out of Iowa..." etc, etc. HELLO...Michigan beat us by almost 40 points. Yea the game was a long time ago and we were severely depleted personnel-wise, but you can't ignore the outcome. We got hammered by them and that's why we will not get in over them. Had it been a close game then it might be a different story but it wasn't.

And yes, the committee is essentially devaluing the conference championship games because Bama is in even if they lose to Florida (they will drop to a 2 or 3 seed but they are in regardless). And OSU and possibly Michigan are in without even playing in one. So that could be 3 of 4 teams in that didn't win their conference.

I'm hoping this "mess" leads to an expansion to an 8-team playoff. I like the idea (someone had it in this thread or another thread) of having the P5 conference champs, the highest ranked non-P5 team and 2 wildcards.

You're nucking futs if you think the third place team in the B1G East would get in over an 11-2 B1G Champ with an 8-1 conference mark, and wins over the #2 team in the country, and another over a Top Ten national team

Nucking futs

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

You're nucking futs if you think the third place team in the B1G East would get in over an 11-2 B1G Champ with an 8-1 conference mark, and wins over the #2 team in the country, and another over a Top Ten national team

Nucking futs

Actually, the B1G Champs Conference record would be 9-1 under that scenario....