Burt B at Illini

[lowhandicapper]

He's mad.
Thinks the Big 10 officiating plays favorites..... Hmmm.
Another Michigan tunnel incident.....Maybe it's not the stadium it's the dirty fake team that's had a couple good seasons in the past 50 years and thinks they're Alabama.
It takes two to tango.

 

[PSUCYCLING]

Yeah -today confirms Michigan is the source of the tunnel incidents. Evidently, Michigan was supposed to come out of the tunnel first after the half, Illinois follows two minutes later. Illinois comes out at the prescribed time, and Michigan is just coming out of their locker room so both teams were mixing. Bielema was HOT. Illinois had to go back to their locker room and the half was extended to compensate.

Ultimately, Michigan is responsible for the tunnel safety, if the team isn’t going to adhere to procedures, the BIG needs to fine them. The refs should have made UM go back to their locker room, let Illinois go, and start the half as normal with half the UM team still in the tunnel.

 

[bison13]

Outside of Michigan or Ohio State fans if anybody doesn’t believe that the conference gives those two significantly more calls than the rest they are an idiot. Even today against Rutgres, Carter is held on 75% of his blitzes and they never get called. I don’t care what the numbers are for amount of penalties those two teams get most of them are in garbage time to even out the stats on a useless play

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Outside of Michigan or Ohio State fans if anybody doesn’t believe that the conference gives those two significantly more calls than the rest they are an idiot. Even today against Rutgres, Carter is held on 75% of his blitzes and they never get called. I don’t care what the numbers are for amount of penalties those two teams get most of them are in garbage time to even out the stats on a useless play

On Illinois' last possession - scUM down by a point - they called one of their legendary "holding calls" on Illinois to wipe out a large Illinois gain, stall Illinois's possession and literally give scUM 25 Yards of field position (between wiping out the gain and the 10 yard penalty) - in addition, scUM had used all their timeouts. Illinois punts a play later and the 25 yards of field position with no timeouts was massive as scUM got the ball at their own 40 instead of the 15......

 

[creamery]

Watching replays of the game - what a joke. Clear holding on UM last possession, and what should’ve been an incomplete pass to get the ball closer.

BIG10 should be embarrassed. Surprised Bielema wasn’t more upset after the game.

 

[PSU Soupy]

Ask Lando on this board he will say that all calls even out.

If true OSU and UM are in for 30 years of getting screwed by the refs. Going to suck to be them.

 

[lowhandicapper]

Why worry about the tunnel when you have the biggest stadium and the most wins in history?
They certainly don't worry about winning titles or anything that actually matters with all that perceived grandeur.
But that stadium though and all those wins.

 

[Ian]

Gotta have O$u vs. scUM for the eyeballs.

 

[lowhandicapper]

Gotta have O$u vs. scUM for the eyeballs.

Marketing has it's advantages...The feeble fall for it. It's been an uncompetitive series for the last 20 years. 18-21 year old kids on both teams have never seen it be a competitive series. That's why they have to overbuild it.

 

[GOPSU01]

Marketing has it's advantages...The feeble fall for it. It's been an uncompetitive series for the last 20 years. 18-21 year old kids on both teams have never seen it be a competitive series. That's why they have to overbuild it.

The fact Michigan hasn’t won in Columbus since 2000 is mind boggling

I hope they both lose but I want Michigan to lose and be grounded back to the norm where they should be

 

[WaylonJ]

Bielema ran two plays guaranteed to fail on their last possession when they could have beat undefeated on the road with a first down. Instead he ran twice into the teeth of a stacked LOS to set up 3rd and long which resulted in a punt to give Michigan the ball at midfield.

You have to automatically expect every call to go Michigan's way but that last possession was horrifying for Illinois. Nothing they did had one shot in hell of sealing the game with a first down. They could have taken three knees and just punted.

I hate the officiating in the conference as much as the next guy, probably more. It's as crooked as a dog's back leg but Illinois and their ridiculous coaching did themselves no favors doing NOTHING to try and advance the ball and move the chains. They came up small with a lead and the ball and a chance to change the whole complexion of CFB this year and they watched strike three down the middle. Zero sympathy here.

 

[Obliviax]

Bielema ran two plays guaranteed to fail on their last possession when they could have beat undefeated on the road with a first down. Instead he ran twice into the teeth of a stacked LOS to set up 3rd and long which resulted in a punt to give Michigan the ball at midfield.

You have to automatically expect every call to go Michigan's way but that last possession was horrifying for Illinois. Nothing they did had one shot in hell of sealing the game with a first down. They could have taken three knees and just punted.

I hate the officiating in the conference as much as the next guy, probably more. It's as crooked as a dog's back leg but Illinois and their ridiculous coaching did themselves no favors doing NOTHING to try and advance the ball and move the chains. They came up small with a lead and the ball and a chance to change the whole complexion of CFB this year and they watched strike three down the middle. Zero sympathy here.

You missed a penalty called on Illinois that really caused them to have to run conservatively

 

[fkkkjm]

Ohio state gets some calls, but this is Michigans conference ladies and gentlemen. 2 more seconds for crybaby Carr in ‘05. Screw the wolverines forever. The refs are worth at least 3-4 points on the road and 7 at the big house.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Bielema ran two plays guaranteed to fail on their last possession when they could have beat undefeated on the road with a first down. Instead he ran twice into the teeth of a stacked LOS to set up 3rd and long which resulted in a punt to give Michigan the ball at midfield.

You have to automatically expect every call to go Michigan's way but that last possession was horrifying for Illinois. Nothing they did had one shot in hell of sealing the game with a first down. They could have taken three knees and just punted.

I hate the officiating in the conference as much as the next guy, probably more. It's as crooked as a dog's back leg but Illinois and their ridiculous coaching did themselves no favors doing NOTHING to try and advance the ball and move the chains. They came up small with a lead and the ball and a chance to change the whole complexion of CFB this year and they watched strike three down the middle. Zero sympathy here.

You must not have watched closely as you missed the first 3rd-&-7 play that was wiped out by a Referine flag (they looked like they had the 1st Down) - but instead of a potential 1st Down near the 35, they were facing 3rd-&-17 from their own 18. It was a huge call given that scUM had used their timeouts.

 

[GSPMax]

The complaints about UM and OSU getting preferential treatment by the refs reminds me of a quote about the weather attributed to Mark Twain.

"Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it.“

Why is it that 12 B1G programs have a legitimate complaint about how games are called but nothing is ever done about it. It is not just PSU that has gotten screwed by these clowns. And, it is not just football.

 

[maypole]

What’s more, he dropped the ball!

 

[LandoComando]

Ask Lando on this board he will say that all calls even out.

If true OSU and UM are in for 30 years of getting screwed by the refs. Going to suck to be them.

There was nothing wrong with the game today--literally nothing

 

[LandoComando]

You missed a penalty called on Illinois that really caused them to have to run conservatively

That was on 3rd down--the other poster's comment was accurate. The first two plays set them up for failure creating a 3rd and long which was when the obvious hold was called and Illinois didn't convert on that play despite the hold

 

[LandoComando]

You must not have watched closely as you missed the first 3rd-&-7 play that was wiped out by a Referine flag (they looked like they had the 1st Down) - but instead of a potential 1st Down near the 35, they were facing 3rd-&-17 from their own 18. It was a huge call given that scUM had used their timeouts.

No they didn't have a first down lol

 

[maypole]

There was nothing wrong with the game today--literally nothing

You’re either blind or lying.
Maybe a scUM fan too.

 

[LandoComando]

You’re either blind or lying.
Maybe a scUM fan too.

Calls are missed in every game. The hold call was legit, the DPI was obviously, the ruling of a catch was "Stands" and Michigan would have been better off if it was ruled incomplete. The only complaint that's even decent is the potential OPI not called on Michigan but if you watch it without being biased and assuming that the refs want Michigan to win the receiver did not block prior to the ball being called. Clear pick but from both angles I've seen legal.

People that say referines aren't able to make honest observations. Same with people that say scUM or O$U or PedState. You're not better than the idiots saying that.

 

[PSU Soupy]

I called out before the calls that the Referines will get involved and then magically every close call went to Michigan.

I must be a fortune teller.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Calls are missed in every game. The hold call was legit, the DPI was obviously, the ruling of a catch was "Stands" and Michigan would have been better off if it was ruled incomplete. The only complaint that's even decent is the potential OPI not called on Michigan but if you watch it without being biased and assuming that the refs want Michigan to win the receiver did not block prior to the ball being called. Clear pick but from both angles I've seen legal.

People that say referines aren't able to make honest observations. Same with people that say scUM or O$U or PedState. You're not better than the idiots saying that.

There was nothing legal about THIS PLAY. (How does a coach even draw up a play like this with a straight face?)

It was a clear no-call in order to ensure the OSU-Michigan game. It was Witvoet-level stuff.

Illinois HC was ballistic after the game and rightfully so. This corruption by conference officials must end, and that will require that conferences use officials that are not affiliated with any conference. An expanded playoff would help, but in this case what they were protecting is THE GAME. Even TV money is involved.

So much for sport. Welcome to big business.

(And you thought you were watching a competition, when in fact it was an exhibition.)

 

[Gitzit]

So obvious referees were bias towards michigan, they screwed Illinois out of a win.

Oh, and landocomando is a confirmed michigan troll, after reading this thread.

 

[LandoComando]

There was nothing legal about THIS PLAY. (How does a coach even draw up a play like this with a straight face?)

It was a clear no-call in order to ensure the OSU-Michigan game. It was Witvoet-level stuff.

Illinois HC was ballistic after the game and rightfully so. This corruption by conference officials must end, and that will require that conferences use officials that are not affiliated with any conference. An expanded playoff would help, but in this case what they were protecting is THE GAME. Even TV money is involved.

So much for sport. Welcome to big business.

(And you thought you were watching a competition, when in fact it was an exhibition.)

The Michigan WR is allowed to run a run--contact by the DB can occur within 5 yards. It comes down to a judgment call on if he was blocking for fighting through contact.

Honestly if you watch the play until the end and forget you hate Michigan watch the WR let go of the contact and continue as though he's running a route. Had he stayed locked up with the defender it may have been called. That's actually good coaching right now as much as I agree with you all that Harbaugh a bastard.

 

[LandoComando]

So obvious referees were bias towards michigan, they screwed Illinois out of a win.

Oh, and landocomando is a confirmed michigan troll, after reading this thread.

How? I was hoping Illinois would win but Bret choked. I was also hoping Maryland would win but knew that wouldn't actually happen--thought Illinois might have a shot. Both Michigan and Ohio State almost go caught looking ahead

 

[PSU Soupy]

The Michigan WR is allowed to run a run--contact by the DB can occur within 5 yards. It comes down to a judgment call on if he was blocking for fighting through contact.

Honestly if you watch the play until the end and forget you hate Michigan watch the WR let go of the contact and continue as though he's running a route. Had he stayed locked up with the defender it may have been called. That's actually good coaching right now as much as I agree with you all that Harbaugh a bastard.

Yes a judgement call. Which way did the judgement call go? To Michigan on top of the other 5 judgement calls.

This no call and the catch call were the most in favor of Michigan, the holding call seemed very ticky tacky for a Big 10 to call holding and PI could have been called or not. But all went in favor of Michigan.

 

[LandoComando]

Yes a judgement call. Which way did the judgement call go? To Michigan on top of the other 5 judgement calls.

This no call and the catch call were the most in favor of Michigan, the holding call seemed very ticky tacky for a Big 10 to call holding and PI could have been called or not. But all went in favor of Michigan.

Why do you think a judgment call has to go against Michigan?
What other judgment calls--the others were blatant. This OPI you want was not
How is the catch in favor of Michigan? Others who hate Michigan agreed that it would have been better for them if it was incomplete
The hold call wasn't debated and the DPI was one of the most obvious DPIs ever. The DB held the Michigan receiver out of this break then held his arm as he went up for the ball--best case for Illinois it's defensive holding but the second part was worse
You're just mad at the outcome (despite it benefiting Penn State since you care about bowl games) and aren't being honest.

 

[Monlion]

The Michigan WR is allowed to run a run--contact by the DB can occur within 5 yards. It comes down to a judgment call on if he was blocking for fighting through contact.

Honestly if you watch the play until the end and forget you hate Michigan watch the WR let go of the contact and continue as though he's running a route. Had he stayed locked up with the defender it may have been called. That's actually good coaching right now as much as I agree with you all that Harbaugh a bastard.

He pushed him 6 yards downfield, if that happened after the catch the announcers would have commented on the great blocking by the wide receiver that allowed 41 to get the first down.

 

[LandoComando]

He pushed him 6 yards downfield, if that happened after the catch the announcers would have commented on the great blocking by the wide receiver that allowed 41 to get the first down.

Watch it again--this time pretend the Michigan receiver is wearing a Penn State jersey.
He comes up the line--he and the DB engage in contact. The other DB is out of position because of the motion. As soon as the DB disengages the receiver continues "pretending" to run a route. If the receiver doesn't release there you should see a flag. He did release. You're not getting a penalty there.

And the announcers don't know the rules have the time which is why they hire a former ref to explain stuff. The contact on that play was legal. Prove the receiver wasn't trying to run a route. If that would have been called OPI against us you'd all be saying the Big Ten is out to get us.

 

[Monlion]

Watch it again--this time pretend the Michigan receiver is wearing a Penn State jersey.
He comes up the line--he and the DB engage in contact. The other DB is out of position because of the motion. As soon as the DB disengages the receiver continues "pretending" to run a route. If the receiver doesn't release there you should see a flag. He did release. You're not getting a penalty there.

And the announcers don't know the rules have the time which is why they hire a former ref to explain stuff. The contact on that play was legal. Prove the receiver wasn't trying to run a route. If that would have been called OPI against us you'd all be saying the Big Ten is out to get us.

The Michigan player runs directly at the defender and pushes him 6 yards downfield and only "disengages" after the ball carrier has a first down and then he doesn't continue his route but instead turns and looks at the ballcarrier to make sure his block worked.

 

[LandoComando]

The Michigan player runs directly at the defender and pushes him 6 yards downfield and only "disengages" after the ball carrier has a first down and then he doesn't continue his route but instead turns and looks at the ballcarrier to make sure his block worked.

He is allowed to run at him. The DB can engage as well. The receiver has no idea where the ballcarrier is on that. You can be mad all you want but technically per the rules that's clean. He disengaged and appears to run a route. Again, people are mad about this because of a call that went against us where our receiver continued to block. Michigan was coached up on that play. It was the right call even if you want to cry about it,

 

[mydome88]

The Michigan WR is allowed to run a run--contact by the DB can occur within 5 yards. It comes down to a judgment call on if he was blocking for fighting through contact.

Honestly if you watch the play until the end and forget you hate Michigan watch the WR let go of the contact and continue as though he's running a route. Had he stayed locked up with the defender it may have been called. That's actually good coaching right now as much as I agree with you all that Harbaugh a bastard.

You’re a joke. Running a route after he blocked but didn’t even look back to the QB, yea sure. I’ll give you it was a legit DPI on Illinois but this was a WAY more clear OPI by Michigan. The fact that you are defending it as not proves that you are just trolling.

 

[PSU Soupy]

The ball needs to be thrown behind the line of scrimmage for that play to be legal. Clearly it was not.

Jim H. was calculating that the refs would not call this penalty at such a crucial time, he was right. Jim H. thought that Illinois would turtle up and get conservative and he was right.

The U of M who was the benificiary of the offense interference has a PSU connection, as his dad played fullback at PSU Sam Gash.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Watch it again--this time pretend the Michigan receiver is wearing a Penn State jersey.
He comes up the line--he and the DB engage in contact. The other DB is out of position because of the motion. As soon as the DB disengages the receiver continues "pretending" to run a route. If the receiver doesn't release there you should see a flag. He did release. You're not getting a penalty there.

And the announcers don't know the rules have the time which is why they hire a former ref to explain stuff. The contact on that play was legal. Prove the receiver wasn't trying to run a route. If that would have been called OPI against us you'd all be saying the Big Ten is out to get us.

You're so full of shit as per usual - you've got it completely backwards, the scUM receiver intentionally engages the DB (not the opposite) and drive blocks him 5 yards downfield. Laughable how you see it as the DB engaging the receiver - utterly laughable.

 

[LandoComando]

You’re a joke. Running a route after he blocked but didn’t even look back to the QB, yea sure. I’ll give you it was a legit DPI on Illinois but this was a WAY more clear OPI by Michigan. The fact that you are defending it as not proves that you are just trolling.

You all keep saying he blocked--they're allowed to engage. Who cares if he didn't look back--decoy routes often never look back. Again, you all want this to be OPI based on the call that went against us

 

[LandoComando]

You're so full of shit as per usual - you've got it completely backwards, the scUM receiver intentionally engages the DB (not the opposite) and drive blocks him 5 yards downfield. Laughable how you see it as the DB engaging the receiver - utterly laughable.

I didn't say the DB initiated the contact. The WR is allowed to go through him. It happens all the time. It's within 5 yards. You literally didn't read a word

 

[PSU Soupy]

The next play after the pick play was the DPI on Wisconsin.....so kind of a double dip.

 

[LandoComando]

This board honestly just wants to believe our lack of great success is solely because of the reps catering to Michigan and Ohio State. That "pick play" is run 100s of times a weekend

 

[PSU Soupy]

You are wrong. U of M kicked our ass in the trenches.....since then we have gotten better in the trenches and might be a more formidable foe to U of M now.

But there is so much evidence of Michigan and OSU getting the benefit of the doubt in this league. Do you think that Dick Honig, shortstop that played for U of M, who lives in Ann Arbor was an impartial ref. Dave Witvoet from Michigan.....do you think that he was impartial?

Do you think that there could be a benefit to the Big 10 if Mich and OSU are undefeated?

Do you think that the Referees are not sports fans who are aware of the implications of their calls or their non-calls?

I predicted in another thread that the referees may need to get involved with 8 minutes to go in the fourth quarter........and then they magically show up. All of the calls at the end of the game went against Illinois some egregious calls like the non offense pass interference, some ridiculous like the ball hitting the ground......some could have been called either way, like the holding call which may have won the game for Illinois because it would have been 4th and 1.....i think that Illinois goes for it and if they get it the game is over. If they punt.....Michigan has to go 20 more yards.

Did you see the end of the TCU game? do you think that they may have gotten some favorable calls to keep them undefeated?

You always seemed like a pretty good poster and pretty knowledgable.....not sure if you are typing your replies and laughing that you have everyone worked up......but you are just wrong.