Can he coach or just recruit?

[James P. Whitters III]

I am probably as sick and tired of hearing this as most of you. It is pretty simple to argue and I have decided to share my argument against this idiocy. It is hot on my mind because I sat beside an older gentleman at a high school sectional today and he pretty much hit me with this line as we discussed what I did last night. "He reminded me that Cael has all of these studs "ready made" from high school. I shared my opinion on the matter as follows.

1. Idiot statement- Cael can't develop talent.

Answer to idiot- So what you are saying is high school level guys are beating guys Brands, JRob, etc. have had in the room five years? That kind of says more about who can't develop talent. If I'm Tom Brands the last thing I want to think is I'm getting taken to school by high school level technique. I understand there are many lower ranked guys Cael has helped over the years, but it shouldn't even come to that. Hit where it hurts. Why jab when you can land a left hook? "Never mind beating PSU- Iowa can't beat our freaking high school kids! " Now you know why I won't present this as a defense if you beat us.

2. idiot statement - Penn people think wrestling just began 5 years ago.

Answer to idiot- Wow- we have been doing this sh_t less than a decade and have already overcome your years of tradition? I've heard of quick studies- but really? If we know so much more about wrestling why in the heck are our kids and grand kids getting taken to the cleaners by your kids? Maybe we are so blinded by past success we can't see the forest for the trees. I won't be breaking out this insult anytime soon either.

I bid you all good evening. Sincere congrats on the great victory last night.

 

[JUBAN]

It's ,interesting that this is mentioned again. This evening my wife and I rewatched both the OSU/PSU match from the BTN, and then the segment of Big Ten in 60 minutes. Sometime during the second segment, wife turns to me and says "Our coach never says anything during the matches". She had been watching other schools coaches up on their feet, yelling instructions, and/or getting in the refs faces, whereas Coach Cale never is seen other than sitting somewhat calmly on his seat. Please offer some insight to what I can say to my wife......and thanks in advance!!!

 

[Lyco1990]

Wrestling thru osmosis the latest fad!!!

 

[NoVa Lion]

It's ,interesting that this is mentioned again. This evening my wife and I rewatched both the OSU/PSU match from the BTN, and then the segment of Big Ten in 60 minutes. Sometime during the second segment, wife turns to me and says "Our coach never says anything during the matches". She had been watching other schools coaches up on their feet, yelling instructions, and/or getting in the refs faces, whereas Coach Cale never is seen other than sitting somewhat calmly on his seat. Please offer some insight to what I can say to my wife......and thanks in advance!!!

Obviously, the other coaches are doing something wrong since Cael's way is working better than their way is. Didn't we beat tOSU rather soundly. The real question your wife should be asking is why are the tOSU (or insert any other team name) acting like wild men and distracting their own wrestlers instead of doing what Cael is doing.

BTW, what was the point of the OP other than bringing up this stale argument yet again? It has been beaten to death and we should bury the horse and let him RIP.

 

[lionlover]

It's ,interesting that this is mentioned again. This evening my wife and I rewatched both the OSU/PSU match from the BTN, and then the segment of Big Ten in 60 minutes. Sometime during the second segment, wife turns to me and says "Our coach never says anything during the matches". She had been watching other schools coaches up on their feet, yelling instructions, and/or getting in the refs faces, whereas Coach Cale never is seen other than sitting somewhat calmly on his seat. Please offer some insight to what I can say to my wife......and thanks in advance!!!

There are different models for success. Allow me to make a basketball analogy to prove my point. Bobby Knight, used to scream, verbally abuse his players and throw a chair across the court. He was very successful.

But, arguably, the greatest basketball coach of that era, John Wooden, never did any of that stuff during a game. A reporter once asked him why he wasn't more vocal during a game. His response (Paraphrased) : "I spend a great amount of time teaching my players in the pre-season and during the season. When game time arrives, I expect that they will know what to do. My screaming at them won't help them. I actually think it would make them play worse."

 

[ejb25]

The other side of the coin is that Cael's guys are so well prepared that he doesn't need to scream out instructions to them during a match.

It's ,interesting that this is mentioned again. This evening my wife and I rewatched both the OSU/PSU match from the BTN, and then the segment of Big Ten in 60 minutes. Sometime during the second segment, wife turns to me and says "Our coach never says anything during the matches". She had been watching other schools coaches up on their feet, yelling instructions, and/or getting in the refs faces, whereas Coach Cale never is seen other than sitting somewhat calmly on his seat. Please offer some insight to what I can say to my wife......and thanks in advance!!!

 

[SRATH]

It's ,interesting that this is mentioned again. This evening my wife and I rewatched both the OSU/PSU match from the BTN, and then the segment of Big Ten in 60 minutes. Sometime during the second segment, wife turns to me and says "Our coach never says anything during the matches". She had been watching other schools coaches up on their feet, yelling instructions, and/or getting in refs faces, whereas Coach Cale never is seen other than sitting somewhat calmly on his seat. Please offer some insight to what I can say to my wife......and thanks in advance!!!

Completely different personalities.....that is all. If I watched the PSU match at home, I would stand the whole match. I stand for most of a football game. Like with most wrestling teams, each coach has the guys he works with every day. The guy who yells instructions to the lightweights is not the same guy as the guy,who yells instructions to the heavies. They have a game plan for each match and the asst coaches modify on the fly as needed. This way there is no confusion on the instructions given........one voice.

 

[dunkej01]

I read somewhere that the student section at rec actually does most of the coaching for home matches.

 

[PSU-Knocker]

I read somewhere that the student section at rec actually does most of the coaching for home matches.

That complements Cael recruiting. Cael recruits and the crowd coaches.

 

[PSU-Knocker]

It's ,interesting that this is mentioned again. This evening my wife and I rewatched both the OSU/PSU match from the BTN, and then the segment of Big Ten in 60 minutes. Sometime during the second segment, wife turns to me and says "Our coach never says anything during the matches". She had been watching other schools coaches up on their feet, yelling instructions, and/or getting in the refs faces, whereas Coach Cale never is seen other than sitting somewhat calmly on his seat. Please offer some insight to what I can say to my wife......and thanks in advance!!!

Tell her to sit down and shut up!

 

[El-Jefe]

It's ,interesting that this is mentioned again. This evening my wife and I rewatched both the OSU/PSU match from the BTN, and then the segment of Big Ten in 60 minutes. Sometime during the second segment, wife turns to me and says "Our coach never says anything during the matches". She had been watching other schools coaches up on their feet, yelling instructions, and/or getting in the refs faces, whereas Coach Cale never is seen other than sitting somewhat calmly on his seat. Please offer some insight to what I can say to my wife......and thanks in advance!!!

Our HS coach was not quite as relaxed as Cael on the bench, but he never shouted instructions to the wrestlers during live action, only during stoppages. (He might have barked at the refs once or twice.)

He taught us to focus 100% on the opponent and shut out everything else. If you're distracted by the coaches or the fans, you're not paying attention to the opponent, and you're not wrestling at that moment. That will get you beat, or worse, get you injured.

He also told us that most of the sound at tournaments would be from other teams' coaches and fans watching other mats. You won't hear us anyway, so don't listen to anyone.

 

[BOSCO2]

I am probably as sick and tired of hearing this as most of you. It is pretty simple to argue and I have decided to share my argument against this idiocy. It is hot on my mind because I sat beside an older gentleman at a high school sectional today and he pretty much hit me with this line as we discussed what I did last night. "He reminded me that Cael has all of these studs "ready made" from high school. I shared my opinion on the matter as follows.

1. Idiot statement- Cael can't develop talent.

Answer to idiot- So what you are saying is high school level guys are beating guys Brands, JRob, etc. have had in the room five years? That kind of says more about who can't develop talent. If I'm Tom Brands the last thing I want to think is I'm getting taken to school by high school level technique. I understand there are many lower ranked guys Cael has helped over the years, but it shouldn't even come to that. Hit where it hurts. Why jab when you can land a left hook? "Never mind beating PSU- Iowa can't beat our freaking high school kids! " Now you know why I won't present this as a defense if you beat us.

2. idiot statement - Penn people think wrestling just began 5 years ago.

Answer to idiot- Wow- we have been doing this sh_t less than a decade and have already overcome your years of tradition? I've heard of quick studies- but really? If we know so much more about wrestling why in the heck are our kids and grand kids getting taken to the cleaners by your kids? Maybe we are so blinded by past success we can't see the forest for the trees. I won't be breaking out this insult anytime soon either.

I bid you all good evening. Sincere congrats on the great victory last night.

I guess 4 championships in 5 years should mean SOMETHING.

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

I guess 4 championships in 5 years should mean SOMETHING.

Always been a fan of the John Wooden. Instruction, repetition, mat strategy is coached / learned in practice. Shouting out stuff during matches just confuses things. Let the athlete use what they've learned / practiced, review the results later, and tune/adjust in the room. If there are breaks in the action, then sure, give the athlete a few tips / reminders if you see something obvious but that's about it during matches.

You don't see Belichick running around shouting instructions to everybody. On occasion you will see him huddle up the offense or defense and do a bit of in game coaching but that's it. Hard to argue he isn't a great coach because he doesn't jump up and down like a fool.

 

[drock1971]

There are different models for success. Allow me to make a basketball analogy to prove my point. Bobby Knight, used to scream, verbally abuse his players and throw a chair across the court. He was very successful.

But, arguably, the greatest basketball coach of that era, John Wooden, never did any of that stuff during a game. A reporter once asked him why he wasn't more vocal during a game. His response (Paraphrased) : "I spend a great amount of time teaching my players in the pre-season and during the season. When game time arrives, I expect that they will know what to do. My screaming at them won't help them. I actually think it would make them play worse."

Lion, aren't our fans great?! Lol Cael is praised for staying calm & not showing much emotion--yet our beloved Coach Franklin is crucified by many for staying too calm?!
One guy has National Championships & the other doesn't----guess winning is all that matters to most. Smh

 

[BOSCO2]

Lion, aren't our fans great?! Lol Cael is praised for staying calm & not showing much emotion--yet our beloved Coach Franklin is crucified by many for staying too calm?!
One guy has National Championships & the other doesn't----guess winning is all that matters to most. Smh

Exactly what came to mind when I read that post.

 

[RoarLions1]

The work's been done, it's now time to let "the process" happen. It's not about the dual wins and losses to our coaches...well, maybe a little, but it's still mainly about "the process".

And YES, Cael does say things, same with Casey and Cody...mostly about stalling in my experience.

Oh, and hopefully the misspelling of Coach "Cael" was unintentional.

 

[cp4psu]

Can Nick Sabin coach or only recruit?????

Nuff said

 

[Diego Badman]

Here is what I would say about Cael: he is a great CEO of this team. He knows what he is looking for in terms of a wrestler. He is very clear in stating his ideas on what it takes to be successful at this level: attitude, good hand-fighting, always looking to score as opposed to wrestling just to win, having fun, etc. As that CEO, he establishes policy.

But, like a good CEO, he delegates much of the individual coaching to Cody, Tank, and Casey. He trusts these guys to work on the finer points with each wrestler.

And, I think we can say, with some confidence, that he probably is a competent work-out partner for his wrestlers.

So, yes, he can coach and recruit. In fact, I think he does it better than everyone else. Delegating can be difficult for people. He does it very well.

 

[a_mshaffer]

Here is what I would say about Cael: he is a great CEO of this team. He knows what he is looking for in terms of a wrestler. He is very clear in stating his ideas on what it takes to be successful at this level: attitude, good hand-fighting, always looking to score as opposed to wrestling just to win, having fun, etc. As that CEO, he establishes policy.

But, like a good CEO, he delegates much of the individual coaching to Cody, Tank, and Casey. He trusts these guys to work on the finer points with each wrestler.

And, I think we can say, with some confidence, that he probably is a competent work-out partner for his wrestlers.

So, yes, he can coach and recruit. In fact, I think he does it better than everyone else. Delegating can be difficult for people. He does it very well.

he does't delegate everything as he is on the mats with the kids (doing some old man tricks!)

 

[Allensville Amos]

Another Attribute of a great head coach is to bring in the very best assistants. I'm not sure how CS got Frank Molinaro to return from Rutgers, but that was a great move. I see Frank's influence in many PSU wrestlers. Every time I see Conaway finish a shot, or even more so, how Retherford has been turning guys, it makes me think of "The Tank"! Having Frank Molinaro as a assistant is undeniably paying big dividends for PSU.

 

[PCLion]

Always been a fan of the John Wooden. Instruction, repetition, mat strategy is coached / learned in practice. Shouting out stuff during matches just confuses things. Let the athlete use what they've learned / practiced, review the results later, and tune/adjust in the room. If there are breaks in the action, then sure, give the athlete a few tips / reminders if you see something obvious but that's about it during matches.

You don't see Belichick running around shouting instructions to everybody. On occasion you will see him huddle up the offense or defense and do a bit of in game coaching but that's it. Hard to argue he isn't a great coach because he doesn't jump up and down like a fool.

Let’s be fair here … Tommy’s brand of entertainment hasn’t registered with Cael yet.

Cael is too sophisticated to even attempt the 2 hop, skip and a jump to the scorer’s table.

What is next for Brands … maybe the wooly bully?

 

[nyc10007]

The other side of the coin is that Cael's guys are so well prepared that he doesn't need to scream out instructions to them during a match.

It's ,interesting that this is mentioned again. This evening my wife and I rewatched both the OSU/PSU match from the BTN, and then the segment of Big Ten in 60 minutes. Sometime during the second segment, wife turns to me and says "Our coach never says anything during the matches". She had been watching other schools coaches up on their feet, yelling instructions, and/or getting in the refs faces, whereas Coach Cale never is seen other than sitting somewhat calmly on his seat. Please offer some insight to what I can say to my wife......and thanks in advance!!!

Remind her of what the great poet Dante wrote: while mere mortals must communicate with words, angels can talk to one another in silence.

 

[dunkej01]

Here is what I would say about Cael: he is a great CEO of this team. He knows what he is looking for in terms of a wrestler. He is very clear in stating his ideas on what it takes to be successful at this level: attitude, good hand-fighting, always looking to score as opposed to wrestling just to win, having fun, etc. As that CEO, he establishes policy.

But, like a good CEO, he delegates much of the individual coaching to Cody, Tank, and Casey. He trusts these guys to work on the finer points with each wrestler.

And, I think we can say, with some confidence, that he probably is a competent work-out partner for his wrestlers.

So, yes, he can coach and recruit. In fact, I think he does it better than everyone else. Delegating can be difficult for people. He does it very well.

Are you saying that there are many attributes and skills that make up a "coach"? I think you are and the intranet would say you are wrong dear sir!

I have been led to believe by the intranet that coaching is only about taking kids outside the top 75 aggregated recruiting rankings and making them into 3 & 4x AA does a coach make. Finding late bloomers and turning them into ncaa finalists by their senior year is the only true measuring stick.

Or so it is written..so it must be.