Hack did not exactly light it up when Obrien was the coach. Hack regressed under Obrien. Anyone remember the third down conversion rate that year? It was horrible.
Can you name all the former PSU verbal commits who went elsewhere and had great or poor careers?
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Hack did not exactly light it up when Obrien was the coach. Hack regressed under Obrien. Anyone remember the third down conversion rate that year? It was horrible.
Not sure how the careers of these guys are working out. List of former commits that landed else where.
JP Holtz -Pitt
Armani Reeves-Ohio State
Camren Williams-Ohio State
Joey O'Connor-Ohio State/Colorado State/Done
Jarron Jones-Notre Dame
Tommy Schutt-Ohio State
Jamil Pollard-Rutgers
Skyler Mornhinweg -Florida
J.J. Denman- Rutgers
Zach Bradshaw- Virginia
Ross Douglas-Michigan
Will Fuller-Notre Dame
Dorian Johnson-Pitt
Greg Webb-North Carolina
JP Holtz -Pitt
Armani Reeves-Ohio State
Camren Williams-Ohio State
Joey O'Connor-Ohio State/Colorado State/Done
Jarron Jones-Notre Dame
Tommy Schutt-Ohio State
Jamil Pollard-Rutgers
Skyler Mornhinweg -Florida
J.J. Denman- Rutgers
Zach Bradshaw- Virginia
Ross Douglas-Michigan
Will Fuller-Notre Dame
Dorian Johnson-Pitt
Greg Webb-North Carolina
I think it's clear that Henne did the right thing, as he ended up being an NFL starter, even if only for a short time. I am curious as to what percentage of 5-star HS QB prospects ever achieve that. I'll bet it's far less than 50%.
Yes, and this happened after Henne committed to Michigan. That might not be a coincidence.
Oakman doesn't count. He got into some trouble at the worst possible time and paid the price for it.
He was released from the team.
Care to elaborate?
If he had come to Penn State, with Joe as his coach, he would have had a positive role model. He never would have gotten into the trouble he did in Columbus. He probably would have played wide receiver, or safety, or I think someone posted here that Joe wanted him to play defensive end. I never thought about that, and I'm guessing he would have needed to bulk up a bunch. His life would have been better first because he wouldn't have been a dummy, and second because he would have been ready for the NFL, maybe even all-pro by now. And he would have had a real education (instead of just learning how to color within the lines) to fall back on.
And by "our lives would be better" was more based on the state of the football team. And it's hard to argue that. First, Penn State already beat Ohio State in 2008. In 2009 and 2010, NO WAY does Ohio State beat Penn State without Pryor on their team. Who's going to quarterback those teams? Second, look at the success Ohio State has had since 2011. You can't tell me it isn't because of the success they had in the 2006-2010 range. Success breeds success. Kids want to go to play for good teams. So the teams that were good when they're being recruited tend to get these good recruits. The success Penn State would have had in 2008-2011 with Pryor would have lessened the ESPN attack on us. We probably would have been B1G and BTN "cash cow" and they never would have piled on. We'd be in a golden age now. I'd bet we'd have at least 2 NCs from 2008 to now.
Wow. Just wow. I want to know what you are smoking....
There is no indication that Prior would have listened to Joe either. Prior wanted to play QB--he would have had a hard time giving up on that dream--as witness how long it took him to realize that in the NFL he was never going to be a QB. But he was a good college QB. Joe likely would have played him there. But I am not sure he would have fit well within Joe's system.
Prior got what a lot of good college athletes get--a chance in the NFL. He didn' t make it at that position. But even the *best* college teams only average 3-4 pros a year, and many of them are guys like a Joe Iorio--who only dressed for one game in his career. Very, very few end up as stars. Prior still got some big bucks for his tenure. Hopefully he was careful with at least some of it.
Second, just going to Penn State doesn't guarantee anyone a good education. tOSU is not a bad school either. It's not in Penn State's class--but it's not as far off as our fan base tends to think.
Third--UM would have found another QB. See last season as an example. Doesn't mean we would or would not beat tOSU. We did beat them in 2011.
Finally, even if we had been better in those years, that has very little to do with what ESPN and the B1G would have done. It would have been no different.
1. If you aren't willing to believe that Joe would have made a favorable impression on Prior, then maybe we need to agree to disagree and be done. (By the way, I thought his name was Pryor. Sorry.)
2. UM? Urban Myer? He didn't start at Ohio State until about 2012. Tressell was still there until 2010. Myer may have gotten another QB after 2012, but we would have won those games in 2009 and 2010. That's four years of WINNING (to quote Charlie Sheen). Those 4 years of winning and Big Ten Championships would have brought us all the top talent we would have needed to continue success through the turmoil and we'd all be sitting in hot tubs, letting hot supermodels suck on our toes.
3. You're probably right about ESPN, but the NCAA and conference would have gone lighter on us if we had recent success. Look what they did to Ohio State: nothing. Look what the NCAA does to Alabama and Auburn: nothing. Look what they did to Dez Bryant (a player for a team that WASN'T winning).
Anyway, this is a silly argument that can never be proven. Prior didn't come here. I believe what I believe and that's that. Let's go complain about why Pluto isn't a real planet, anymore.
Most you list are not high 4 or 5 star recruits. Dalton. Kelly, Givens, Stevens, McSorely.
The OL weakness was the primary reason for Hack's poor sophomore year. He was under more pressure than any QB in PSU history. He had no running game and inexperienced receivers (subtract Robinson from his Freshman Year and Hack's Freshman year would have been significantly less impressive). On top of all that, he was a true sophomore learning a brand new offense. IMO, the only QB that could have had any type of success in the foregoing situation is a mobile QB who could improvise and make Defenses pay on an all out blitz by scrambling for a touchdown. As it was, Hack is a decent runner but not a good enough runner to deter the Defenses from blitzing play after play. After a few poor performances, Hack lost his confidence and composure.
I do not care who the coach was, Hack's sophomore year was going to be a down year.
The OL weakness was the primary reason for Hack's poor sophomore year. He was under more pressure than any QB in PSU history.
Din, ding ding. We have a winner!
Yeah, but what happened at PSU was none of those things. Folks wanted our heads. And got them for the part.
And yeah, I misspelled the name--still getting over being up too late on Tuesday (was at All Star Game). Oops.
If Pryor didn't listen to Tressel, I'm not sure how much he would have listened to Joe.
The poster who said that recruits that play the commit, decommit, commit have a character flaw is absolutely correct. Anzalone went from Penn State, to OSU to ND and finally to Florida played this game his entire committment and not surprisingly is a bust.
How about the problems the prior year? Their third down conversion rate was terrible.
The bad part about Sims was that PSU put on the full court press and didn't get him, but in their backyard was a QB that turned out to be way better, Matt Schaub.
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