What is wrong with you? According to you I have to shut up and not respond to someone who calls the response to Nassib's announcement "bizarrely glorified"? Sorry, but I'll keep fighting the fight.
Carl Nassib
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What is wrong with you? According to you I have to shut up and not respond to someone who calls the response to Nassib's announcement "bizarrely glorified"? Sorry, but I'll keep fighting the fight.
Yeah, Christians are so marginalized. Their poor, shabby places of worship are found on the seedy side of town while you can’t go 2 blocks without seeing a massive gay bar - enjoying tax breaks on land and building huge parking lots only used once a week.
I’ve heard the gays have even taken over the steel industry
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I'm not telling you to shut up at all. I'm trying to get you to recognize you actually have a whole lot more in common than you realize. No reason to get an otherwise pretty good and supportive thread nuked over a disagreement on what people consider brave to mean.
I have a hunch most of those who don't feel its brave also wouldn't be comfortable grabbing a beer/coffee/lunch in Boystown/wherever their local gay community is centered or called (except for Jerry who apparently already lives there based on his posts)
I'll respond to what I choose to respond to. I don't need you jumping in to police my responses either. I think every response I've made has made a legitimate point. If not, then point that out or stay out of my business.
We also disagree on what the disagreement is, apparently
Because I don’t agree that gay people are bizarrely glorified, that Carl Nassib did this to secure his roster spot, or that there is any question that LGBTQ individuals are more prone to suicidality… to name just a few points of contention herein. Leaving such assertions unchallenged would be a win?
Your post is bigoted and adding to the problem. Prejudice goes both ways
Oblivious, living up to your name as you frequently do.
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Good for you, Carl.
And as far as the (predictable) turn this thread has taken — and it’s happening all across the internet tonight — I can’t think of a greater example as to why Carl coming out is important. Representation matters. I know that’s become such a token phrase, but it really is the truth for gay youth who can so easily fall into the trappings of social and family pressures. But more and more often, they can turn and see gay role models and other prominent figures in all walks of life. That is a great thing.
And as far as the (predictable) turn this thread has taken — and it’s happening all across the internet tonight — I can’t think of a greater example as to why Carl coming out is important. Representation matters. I know that’s become such a token phrase, but it really is the truth for gay youth who can so easily fall into the trappings of social and family pressures. But more and more often, they can turn and see gay role models and other prominent figures in all walks of life. That is a great thing.
So, since Carl is announcing he changed teams, is he walking on in hopes of a scholarship? Sorry, this tread needed a little lightening.
I will add my respect to Carl for having the courage, yes, courage to make such an announcement in that line of work. Unfortunately, he will be treated differently by some of his teammates and alumni from our school. It takes courage to publicly admit who you are.
I will add my respect to Carl for having the courage, yes, courage to make such an announcement in that line of work. Unfortunately, he will be treated differently by some of his teammates and alumni from our school. It takes courage to publicly admit who you are.
Well done, big brother. Seriously.
But your post leaves me wondering. What happened to the gal you were snogging?
Jerry and the persecuted christian theme again. That one is like pop cult these days. Funny how he they she it want to defend looking down their nose at you but to suggest YOUR freedom of religion, sexual preference to them is an insult to their existence .
C'mon, Jerry. I know from your posting history on the Test Board that you take a dim view of homosexuality , and that your view is grounded in your conservative Catholic upbringing and world view. I'm not inclined to criticize you for that. Neither am I inclined to characterize Carl Nassib announcing his homosexuality as "wonderful" or "marvelous" or grounds for a big celebration.
But if you think Nassib is not gonna receive a considerable amount of negative feedback (which he would not receive had he not come out publicly), you are very mistaken. Imagine what fans in opposing stadiums are going to say (yell) when the Raiders play road games. It will not be pretty, and I think his willingness to undergo that in order to provide a positive example to younger people trying to deal with their sexuality took at least SOME courage on his part. Saying that his being gay marks him as "psychologically unstable" is a real stretch, dude. Similarly, saying that he should pipe down about his sexuality is pretty much the equivalent of suggesting that he go back in the closet. I really want to hope that we're past that.
There is a voice of reason here, and his name is 91Joe95. Thank you, sincerely, for your posts. This is just one of a multitude of issues that highlight the all or nothing groupthink mentality which permeates our latter day society. Nuance in discourse is dead….applause to you for trying to bring it back to life.
It was only 1998 when Matthew Shepard was beaten within an inch of his life and tied to a fence in the blistering cold for 18 hours. What Carl got to do today via social media is pretty incredible.
Good Lord.
Some people just can't seem to stand the celebration of any demographic identity other than theirs. Reminds me of friends I have who bitch and moan about why there's not a "white history month".
"Bizarrely glorified". Right. How dare they celebrate who they are and take pride in their own identity!! Back in the closet you go!!!
Some of you people.....
On a positive note, I think it’s safe to say that the majority of our children, are much more understanding and accepting of homosexuality than many here. I know my views have changed over the past 30 or 40 years. Fox News is covering his announcement right now and giving him props.
Completely agree. I shudder to remember what my own attitude toward gay people was back in my high school years in the 80s. It’s definitely good to know there has been positive progress in the mindset of many of us as individuals and in much of society as a whole.
You do realize there is more to being “gay”
than their “sex life” right?
Much more fun at dinner parties would be a person who looks to criticize first….yeah, you would be a blast.
Praised and celebrated? Really? The LGBTQ community is likely the most discriminated against group in the country (except for maybe the Jewish community). Business owners openly refuse service to gay people and they’re allowed….let’s see a business do that with any other minority group. Maybe get out of your little made up bubble of a world.
Translation: “I am an OWG and want the gays to get off my lawn because the gayness might infect me.”
No reason to single out OWGs. All races, genders, and age groups have people who are afraid of gayness infecting them.
I have posted several times in this thread so I think you all know where I stand on Nassib. But I also see the other point of view that LGBTQ is more celebrated now than marginalized. I also think this is the source of some negative reactions though.
LGBTQ is pushed so hard now that there is going to be backlash. It may not even be from those anti-LGBTQ, just those that don't want it pushed on them constantly. There are so many LGBTQ commercials and this Rou Paul show that many people are going to not want that pushed on them. And it is getting pushed on little kids as well, not just through commercials but even at school and heck, someone was telling me about State College doing a reading program with a transvestite reading to the children.
I'm in the camp of acceptance and tolerance of our diversity as human beings and seeing people for the human being that they are. But I don't agree with labelling everyone, pitting some groups against others, giving advantages to some groups at the expense of others, and pushing it all for political reasons. People see through that. It is shallow. Treat human beings with respect, all of them.
But we don't need to define everyone by their outward appearance or their sexual orientation. That isn't what makes us the person that we are. Get to know the person. Hire and promote based on talent and performance. And it isn't a my tribe verses your tribe unless your tribe is Americans.
One last thought, if you live life believing that you are a victim then that will certainly be true. If you live life believing you can do anything, you certainly can. It's very harmful IMO to convince any group that they can't because of XYZ. How about we start telling them they can. I think that is what Carl did. He said you can by actually doing. There was no celebration or political message. We need more people to lead by example and less victimhood and politicizing.
LGBTQ is pushed so hard now that there is going to be backlash. It may not even be from those anti-LGBTQ, just those that don't want it pushed on them constantly. There are so many LGBTQ commercials and this Rou Paul show that many people are going to not want that pushed on them. And it is getting pushed on little kids as well, not just through commercials but even at school and heck, someone was telling me about State College doing a reading program with a transvestite reading to the children.
I'm in the camp of acceptance and tolerance of our diversity as human beings and seeing people for the human being that they are. But I don't agree with labelling everyone, pitting some groups against others, giving advantages to some groups at the expense of others, and pushing it all for political reasons. People see through that. It is shallow. Treat human beings with respect, all of them.
But we don't need to define everyone by their outward appearance or their sexual orientation. That isn't what makes us the person that we are. Get to know the person. Hire and promote based on talent and performance. And it isn't a my tribe verses your tribe unless your tribe is Americans.
One last thought, if you live life believing that you are a victim then that will certainly be true. If you live life believing you can do anything, you certainly can. It's very harmful IMO to convince any group that they can't because of XYZ. How about we start telling them they can. I think that is what Carl did. He said you can by actually doing. There was no celebration or political message. We need more people to lead by example and less victimhood and politicizing.
Actually many minority communities are much less tolerant of homosexuals. It is literally a death sentence in some places of the world which represent the origins of many US minority populations.
I think a large part of the perceived "gay is celebrated" is because of the inevitable backlash they'll experience elsewhere in society during their life. The more naysayers the louder the celebration has to be to drown them out. The act of "being gay" is not celebrated, per se, as much as the act of finally being themselves is celebrated. The courage it took to come out with something that is LIFE CHANGING. We tend to celebrate life changing events - new kids, marriage, etc. Coming out as gay is a life-altering/changing event.
"There are so many LGBTQ commercials and this Rou Paul show that many people are going to not want that pushed on them."
I guess I have to ask then why their tv channel is stuck on LOGO? Did they loose the remote?
Its not that there are so many LGBTQ commercials its that they are finally showing another side of life that had been not just been marginalized but pretty much "cancelled".
As for living life as a victim...yea that sometimes happens when you are singled out and victimized.
Carl did exactly what you wanted, no celebration, no political message yet here you are doing exactly that.
Good for Carl, I couldn't imagine doing that while being employed in the NFL. Huge balls on that guy. I hope he has positive family support because he's going to need it to escape the public in the coming days.
There is a limit to pushing anything on people though. A couple of my college teammates were gay and still FB friends of mine. I am definitely supportive. But I'm pretty much to saturation on the LGBTQ push. You push too much and you start really turning people off.
So, a few thoughts, and then I will let you guys have your fun.
1. I was asking for a friend if this football player is considered "tougher" than any athlete in the other major sports because he is coming out as gay. Still would like an answer. Because I would also like to know what defines "tough".
2. So, one can assume his college teammates/coaches were aware of him being gay and, to the best of my knowledge. not one comment came from the team or coaching staff. And, he is not the first gay football player at Penn State, just as a matter of discussion.
3. If he was not a former PSU player, this thread would have a completely different tone to it, and probably would not be as long a thread. Especially if he was from one of the programs this board seems to really relish disliking - OSU, Michigan, Pitt, Notre Dame and a few others. It's been a while, but I don't recall the same level of support on this board to Michael Sam. And the fact that Nassib is on a roster and Sam never made it is immaterial.
4. To answer your question Bob - no, don't you(se). You are who I thought you were.
It's like stream of thought here. You are hard to follow to the point that I'm not really fully sure what you are trying to say.
But I have a question for you. Are Asian Americans victimized by being denied entry into colleges unless they have significantly higher scores and GPAs than other races?
Do you mean then? Or now? I saw comments from James Franklin and Saquon Barkley on Twitter in support of Carl. I'm sure there were more that I didn't see.
I don't know if it would have a different tone, but I agree it probably wouldn't be as long. Nassib is a Penn Stater, so more on topic with what the board is about. That only makes sense. But I supported Sam the same as I'm supporting Carl -- just not as vocally because there wasn't the same discussion in my circles with Sam.
