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CC CYS Fighting V6 request to depose John Miller & Chambers told CC CYS Lewis Fulare abt '98 opinion

IIRC in the annual report the Friends Fitness program, there was about $350,000 spent on it. It seemed like a lot of money for a program that was entirely voluntary in nature. That is, TSM did not buy the kids memberships to the clubs, or clothes or provide transportation or anything, the mentor donated all of that.
I don't have the figures handy, but I did a trend analysis of expenditures and the increases over the years outpaced inflation and were rather inexplicable because the numbers of participants served was relatively stable. Same with Foster Family support. It is no coincidence that PA could use those participant figures and expenditures in their application for Federal juvenile rehabilitation grants.
 
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BoT continually avoids discovery.

Why?

Be more specific. Who on the BOT was connected financially, socially or in some tangential way to Sandusky? Why avoid discovery if you have nothing to hide?
 
Ive stated this a hundred times....it's always been about the $$$ flowing thru the 2M into prominent pockets. You have a non-profit organization where millions of dollars are being unaccounted for....can you spell LAUNDERING...Blehar said the mob is involved...I agree with him. Add in the fact that PA is a totally corrupt state it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this thing out. What does astonish me is that a News/Journalist site doesn't pick this up a run with it....a show like 60 minutes would have ratings go thru the roof..

I don't think Blehar said specifically that the Mob was involved. I think he mentioned hearing that the Feds were looking at RICO, which - despite its close association with mob cases - does not necessarily mean it involves the mafia. If certain criteria are met, RICO statutes can apply to just about any organization that engages in ongoing criminal activity (in this case, TSM, allegedly).
 
And though I find it unlikely, I wouldn't rule out mob involvement entirely. The I-80 corridor between Youngstown and NYC has been full of mob stench ever since the 80s when the FBI finally started succeeding in disrupting the NYC rackets.
 
(remember AF was recruiting accusers and this was known to be fact at the high school level) At that juncture and time, a huge mistake was made or fraud was committed which predicated the future action of others. I am not sure if it was by design ... but if it looks like carp...smells like carp... feels...sounds and tastes like carp.... oh well. No matter what, the digging and investigation into the investigations and correspondences needs to carry on till all questions are answered. This is one person that broke ties with TSM as a volunteer because of the observations I recorded above.... long before 2001-2011 .... something was obviously 'out of whack' as someone used to say .... to me.

I think it is a mischaracterization to say AF was recruiting accusers, given that from January 2009 to September 2010, the OAG and PSP relied on AF alone for leads in finding victims. The proper characterization would be that he "cooperated with investigators." The Moulton Report shows that the PSP and OAG used "lover's quarrel referee" and CMHS football coach Mike Turchetta for some leads early on. He identified F.P. for sure, maybe F.A. to investigators.
 
Humble...you may be right...but if it is ever proven that the mob was involved, it would not shock me...in fact, i'd be more shocked that they weren't involved...
 
I don't think Blehar said specifically that the Mob was involved. I think he mentioned hearing that the Feds were looking at RICO, which - despite its close association with mob cases - does not necessarily mean it involves the mafia. If certain criteria are met, RICO statutes can apply to just about any organization that engages in ongoing criminal activity (in this case, TSM, allegedly).

I think there is quite a lot of circumstantial evidence of the involvement of organized crime, most notably Eckel's association with suspected organized crime member Louis A. DeNaples, the abundance of TSM directors in the construction business and with contracts to PSU, and the fact that Lubert, like DeNaples, was granted a casino license by Rendell. DeNaples had to give up his casino to escape perjury charges about his statements denying his relationship with former NE PA crime boss, Russel Bufalino -- the Quiet Don.

Money laundering, embezzlement, and extortion are all RICO crimes. The finances of TSM point to RICO.
 
I think there is quite a lot of circumstantial evidence of the involvement of organized crime, most notably Eckel's association with suspected organized crime member Louis A. DeNaples, the abundance of TSM directors in the construction business and with contracts to PSU, and the fact that Lubert, like DeNaples, was granted a casino license by Rendell. DeNaples had to give up his casino to escape perjury charges about his statements denying his relationship with former NE PA crime boss, Russel Bufalino -- the Quiet Don.

Money laundering, embezzlement, and extortion are all RICO crimes. The finances of TSM point to RICO.

DeNaples also gave $25,000 to Kathleen Kane's campaign after she did him a favor in revoking subpoenas. She later returned the money after the public found out.

http://www.mcall.com/news/nationwor...ane-louis-denaples-20150402-story.html#page=1
 
I think there is quite a lot of circumstantial evidence of the involvement of organized crime, most notably Eckel's association with suspected organized crime member Louis A. DeNaples, the abundance of TSM directors in the construction business and with contracts to PSU, and the fact that Lubert, like DeNaples, was granted a casino license by Rendell. DeNaples had to give up his casino to escape perjury charges about his statements denying his relationship with former NE PA crime boss, Russel Bufalino -- the Quiet Don.

Money laundering, embezzlement, and extortion are all RICO crimes. The finances of TSM point to RICO.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that DeNaples/Bufalino family was involved with the OG PSU BOT/TSM RICO activities. The poster Frank Sheeran seems to imply this every time he posts. He said the PSU OG BOT are working with org. crime and that they hired freeh (who Frank claimed was a friend to the mob) to help clean up their mess created by their greed/arrogance.

Also, on a separate note, some great posts on TOS re: CC CYS/Miller/98 investigation:
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From FakePSUinsider:

"Interesting.... I've been asking about him for 2 years and it seems he is the invisible man. Strange stuff from him during the investigation....

For anyone who needs a refresher, read page 18/25 of this police report

- Schreffler called Miller and asked to delay the psych eval

- Miller told him he was not involved with the investigation (other than scheduling the eval) and to call Lauro

- Schreffler called Lauro who told him that was fine, but he needed to call Miller

- Schreffler called Miller and it was agreed it would be delayed

- 5 minutes later, Schreffler called V6 and told them it was going to be delayed

This is where it gets even more weird. The time noted on the report of the next communication is actually 2 minutes BEFORE Schreffler's call to V6 (so they seem out of order???). And, in that call, Lauro called back to say he was told be his supervisor to go ahead with the eval and that John Miller was calling V6's mother to tell her to bring him down. V6's mother called Schreffler basically saying wtf is going on. He apologized and the eval was done that afternoon.

Also, the last communication also appears out of order and says that Schreffler picked up the Chambers report that was completed 4 days prior. That happened 50 minutes BEFORE the previous listed communication."
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From Ferrariterp:

"If I have my Millers correct, I believe the man in question is John Miller IV. The Millers are a very prominent law family. John Miller III is partner of Miller, Kistler and Campbell. Dale Miller, Stacy Parks husband, is part of this family. Miller IV would have been 26 in 1998, 43 now. I should caution I'm not 100% this Miller is the one but it's the only John R. Miller in the area that fits the profile. Perhaps Ray wants to check into this?"
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My thoughts......Has anyone been able to determine if John Miller is related to SPM's husband? If so that's one fascinating connection/coincidence. Has SPM ever been put under oath and asked when the first time was that she heard about the MM 2001 incident? I'd bet money she knew about it well BEFORE that anonymous email tip came across her desk in Nov 2010...
 
Sandusky? Have you been following along?

I'm talking about real, tangible relationships. I know Sandusky mixed with BOT members and was reportedly a neighbor of Shultz but I'm interested in BOT members, not just local gentry.
 
I'm talking about real, tangible relationships. I know Sandusky mixed with BOT members and was reportedly a neighbor of Shultz but I'm interested in BOT members, not just local gentry.

Why is a "tangible relationship with the BoT" even relevant? I think in many of the theories being posited, Jerry was a useful idiot whose charity was being used for criminal activity without his knowledge (or with minimial knowledge). That's why they covered for him all those years, and that's why when they could no longer cover for him, they ordered the shredders, dumped assets, arranged to take JS down swiftly (and yes, i think JS is a pedophile, but that doesn't mean the trial wasn't an absolute joke). It's called tying up loose ends.
 
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From message board user "ferrariterp" on 2/25/2015:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=13651958&p=9

Noticed something odd recently. When Schreffler was on the stand in the Sandusky trial (page 71) he's asked to read to the court part of his interview with Victim 6, and he reads the headline as interview of May 4, 11:25 AM. He goes on to read questions posed to Vic 6 by both himself and John Miller from CYS. This is part of the 1998 report but was not included in the NBC docs.

Victim 6 was interviewed twice on May 4 and Schreffler did indeed interview him at 11:25 AM...but by himself in his office. Miller didn't interview Vic 6 with Schreffler until 9 PM. Yet apparently, the report given to Schreffler from Amendola says Miller was involved in the 1st interview at 11:25 AM. Was this altered? What's going on here? Anybody know?


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My comments: This apparent discrepancy presents two options:

1. Innocent mistake. Maybe Amendola read the wrong time, or perhaps both interviews were recorded in the same interview transcript.
However, John Miller appears on p.7 on the interview transcript, and that transcript was at least 20 pages. Seems like the initial morning interview would have been more than 7 pages in the transcript. See JS trial testimony of Schreffler. Amendola was reading from the transcript.
-->See 6/14/2012 trial transcript, p.71-72, and p.76
2. John Miller really was there for the morning interview.
This means the 1998 police report was wrong initially or changed later. The first interview was 11:25 am on 5/4/1998. Miller isn't even mentioned until a phone contact at 12:55 pm on the same day; a phone conversation in which Schreffler related what he learned at the interview that morning. The second interview was at 9:30pm of the same day, with both Schreffler and Miller in attendance.
--> Need to look at pages of police report with all this information, and compare to the dates written and the signatures at the bottom.

Pages annotated 2 of 8 through 7 of 8 refer to activity on May 4, 1998
page 2 of 8: [V6] mom called Schreffler at 11am. 11:25 am interview with [V6]
page 3 of 8: more details from 11:25 am interview
page 4 of 8: 12:55 am phone conversation w/ Miller; Schreffler talks about interview
page 5 of 8: 4:00 pm Karen Arnold recommended everyone be interviewed ASAP
page 6 of 8: 8:10 pm Schreffler & Miller interview second boy (B.K.)
page 7 of 8: 9:30 pm Second interview of [V6]; Schreffler & John Miller
page 8 of 8: May 5, 1988 at 1:55 pm; Lauro from DPW contacts Schreffler
These 8 pages were typed on May 5, 1998

See images of the 1998 police report signatures here:

Jimmy. You may already know this, but option 1 is closer to the truth.

I think Amendola had the two reports stapled or clipped together (can't prove that), but there is no question that the first page 7 is from his morning conversation with Victim 6, while the second page 7 is from the evening conversation with Victim 6 where Miller was present. Miller was NOT present for the morning interview.
 
I don't have the figures handy, but I did a trend analysis of expenditures and the increases over the years outpaced inflation and were rather inexplicable because the numbers of participants served was relatively stable. Same with Foster Family support. It is no coincidence that PA could use those participant figures and expenditures in their application for Federal juvenile rehabilitation grants.

According to the IRS 990 tax filings, the Friend Fitness expenses from 2005-2010 were:
$200,461
$263,254
$318,322
$376,646
$401,902
$398,362
 
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According to the IRS 990 tax filings, the Friend Fitness expenses from 2005-2010 were:
$200,461
$263,254
$318,322
$376,646
$401,902
$398,362
okay thanks, and expenses for what??? What did they spend the money on if it was a 1 on 1 mentor type program?? the mentor provided the gym membership, the transportation etc?? Did they buy the kids socks??? IIRC there was maybe 40 kids in the program, so that's $8-10,000 per participant depending on the year. help me out here.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that DeNaples/Bufalino family was involved with the OG PSU BOT/TSM RICO activities. The poster Frank Sheeran seems to imply this every time he posts. He said the PSU OG BOT are working with org. crime and that they hired freeh (who Frank claimed was a friend to the mob) to help clean up their mess created by their greed/arrogance.

Also, on a separate note, some great posts on TOS re: CC CYS/Miller/98 investigation:
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From FakePSUinsider:

"Interesting.... I've been asking about him for 2 years and it seems he is the invisible man. Strange stuff from him during the investigation....

For anyone who needs a refresher, read page 18/25 of this police report

- Schreffler called Miller and asked to delay the psych eval

- Miller told him he was not involved with the investigation (other than scheduling the eval) and to call Lauro

- Schreffler called Lauro who told him that was fine, but he needed to call Miller

- Schreffler called Miller and it was agreed it would be delayed

- 5 minutes later, Schreffler called V6 and told them it was going to be delayed

This is where it gets even more weird. The time noted on the report of the next communication is actually 2 minutes BEFORE Schreffler's call to V6 (so they seem out of order???). And, in that call, Lauro called back to say he was told be his supervisor to go ahead with the eval and that John Miller was calling V6's mother to tell her to bring him down. V6's mother called Schreffler basically saying wtf is going on. He apologized and the eval was done that afternoon.

Also, the last communication also appears out of order and says that Schreffler picked up the Chambers report that was completed 4 days prior. That happened 50 minutes BEFORE the previous listed communication."
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From Ferrariterp:

"If I have my Millers correct, I believe the man in question is John Miller IV. The Millers are a very prominent law family. John Miller III is partner of Miller, Kistler and Campbell. Dale Miller, Stacy Parks husband, is part of this family. Miller IV would have been 26 in 1998, 43 now. I should caution I'm not 100% this Miller is the one but it's the only John R. Miller in the area that fits the profile. Perhaps Ray wants to check into this?"
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My thoughts......Has anyone been able to determine if John Miller is related to SPM's husband? If so that's one fascinating connection/coincidence. Has SPM ever been put under oath and asked when the first time was that she heard about the MM 2001 incident? I'd bet money she knew about it well BEFORE that anonymous email tip came across her desk in Nov 2010...

Schreffler was obviously delusional.
Supposedly he was always heavily medicated.
 
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Put this in the FWIW category. I just found out at lunch that Bruce Heim had breakfast a Waffleshop with Spanier a few days ago. You can't make this stuff up folks. Like we have all said a million times over...it's a small town and the ruling elite is even smaller. They are all well, well aquainted with each other.

did they say which Waffleshop location?
 
Put this in the FWIW category. I just found out at lunch that Bruce Heim had breakfast a Waffleshop with Spanier a few days ago. You can't make this stuff up folks. Like we have all said a million times over...it's a small town and the ruling elite is even smaller. They are all well, well aquainted with each other.

I'd heard it was the Tavern. And here's a suspicious photo of Heim taken the same day.

rich-n.jpg

;)
 
I am assuming that you are serious....Yes, it's the one on West College Near the Pine Hall Cemetery. It's the only one my parents eat at. All the old timers eat there.

To me, it's just bizarre.


WasteCoast04?

Sounds about right.
 
I am assuming that you are serious....Yes, it's the one on West College Near the Pine Hall Cemetery. It's the only one my parents eat at. All the old timers eat there.

To me, it's just bizarre.

Are you saying it was your parents who claim to have seen them? Just curious, because you didn't say who told you that earlier. (and yes, I am serious. at this point, I don't rule out anything)
 
No worries

It came up in a conversation I was having with them regarding the circleville farm parcel. I was curious to know who's family farm it was? People forget that most of the land in state college was someone's family farm less than a hundred yrs ago.

Didn't the Dreibelbis' own a lot of property? Is that who you're referring to?
 
Put this in the FWIW category. I just found out at lunch that Bruce Heim had breakfast a Waffleshop with Spanier a few days ago. You can't make this stuff up folks. Like we have all said a million times over...it's a small town and the ruling elite is even smaller. They are all well, well aquainted with each other.

I'm kind of nervous about Spanier jumping to the other side. I kind of think he was on that side until he got thrown under the bus with the Freeh report. But I'm not entirely sure that he wouldn't go back over if it benefitted him to do so.
 
I'm kind of nervous about Spanier jumping to the other side. I kind of think he was on that side until he got thrown under the bus with the Freeh report. But I'm not entirely sure that he wouldn't go back over if it benefitted him to do so.

I know that there's lots of talk about Heim, but I'm not convinced that he's necessarily the "other side." He just sounded completely clueless when he was interviewed about Jerry. (Quote: “For five years, I worked out at the football facility, several times a week, and saw Jerry showering with children,” he said. “I said I don’t think it’s relevant. It happens every day at the YMCA. I remember the conversation specifically because it seemed like a nonstarter because of what Penn State said went on.”) I don't know that I've ever seen Heim quoted badmouthing Paterno or Penn State football. Now I understand that if you think that there is some grand conspiracy to protect some pedophile ring that operated out of TSM, then Heim would look very bad. But I haven't seen anything that convinces me that there was such a conspiracy. I think that Sandusky was just a convenient weapon for Corbett and Surma to wield against Spanier and Paterno, and Fina "never investigated" TSM because that had no value to Corbett.
 
Investigating the 2M only could have hurt Corbett...that's why Freeh and Fina avoided that place. One Term-Tommy was tied in pretty heavily with a lot of folks at that joint. When you take 647k for a campaign from one building and then shit happens...people may wonder why.
 
DeNaples also gave $25,000 to Kathleen Kane's campaign after she did him a favor in revoking subpoenas. She later returned the money after the public found out.

http://www.mcall.com/news/nationwor...ane-louis-denaples-20150402-story.html#page=1
Of course, Louis DeNaples was Russell Bufalino's right hand man. Every Pennsylvanian with an interest in corruption in the Commonwealth ought to read "The Quiet Don." If anyone thinks that Russell Bufalino's legacy and influence ended with his death, they are quite naive. As others have stated, no evidence has surfaced, but it is not at all farfetched to believe that the mob could have had a tentacle or two on something related to all of this mess and would have exerted some influence to protect whatever interest might have been at stake. This is admittedly speculation, something I don't like to take too far. Nevertheless, my recent reading on Russell Bufalino, DeNaples, Rendell's handling of the Casino licenses and evisceration of the PA State Police's role in vetting license applicants, and ultimately effectively keeping them from any oversight in the process, has changed my perspective somewhat.
 
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