Cenzo Joseph

[dunkej01]

Guys, as I posted at the NLO which I was there to hear other wrestlers and coaches confirmed Cenzo didn't make weight, this is a FACT. I was not at the Scuffel but some of those same wrestlers and coaches confirmed Cenzo failed to make weight again. Dimore had the same issue at 141 but unlike Cenzo, Dimore chose to move up to 149 and compete. Cenzo missed weight twice now, that's a big deal especially when you're a blue chip recruit on scholarship. His family made the trip to Scuffel and he was expected to wrestle. The bigger question is why didn't he bump to 65 like Dinmore bumped to 49. Yes he was a stud in high school but he has now failed twice at the next level. I hope the kid gets things together but it's not looking good.

If his parents went and he didnt make weight, I as the parent would be more mad than any coach. thats just me though.

I read in one of these threads VJo had travel issues getting out of charlotte. If these issues are true and caused him not to get a work out in to make weight then I sympathize with him. As for not bumping up a weight, I would say Dinmore is the exception to that not the standard.

is VJo still nursing his knee injury? No inside info just asking a question.

Maybe Tim can ask about this stuff on Tuesday.

 

[Law-Deezie]

Guys, as I posted at the NLO which I was there to hear other wrestlers and coaches confirmed Cenzo didn't make weight, this is a FACT. I was not at the Scuffel but some of those same wrestlers and coaches confirmed Cenzo failed to make weight again. Dimore had the same issue at 141 but unlike Cenzo, Dimore chose to move up to 149 and compete. Cenzo missed weight twice now, that's a big deal especially when you're a blue chip recruit on scholarship. His family made the trip to Scuffel and he was expected to wrestle. The bigger question is why didn't he bump to 65 like Dinmore bumped to 49. Yes he was a stud in high school but he has now failed twice at the next level. I hope the kid gets things together but it's not looking good.

Thanks for an accurate update. We've all been speculating that it was missed weight again. You're right, missing weight twice for two tourneys is not good. He lost major opportunities to compete against some serious competition. Hope his development isn't suffering too much.

 

[taketop]

Can't say for certain but I'm starting to hear from people that Cenzo is having challenges with the college social scene I know he missed his HS county tournament last year because of a school violation, no specifics on the violation but with these two missing weight incidents it make me wonder.

 

[manmythlegend1]

Missing weight at the NLO..sucks but 1 time can happen...missing weight for the Scuffle as a Blue Chip recruit...something smells weird to me, but I hope I am wrong. One thing I know for sure, Joseph is awesome and whatever the reason if he puts his mind to it he is gonna be great and I remain a big fan!!! I would just love to see him wrestle

 

[SRATH]

I didn't make weight after the holidays either so he gets a pass from me.

I hope whatever the issues are they get addressed. Beitz is second string and wrestling at an AA level......so the guys who follow the program will get better, will be contenders etc etc etc.

 

[Brian LB-U]

Back in August Cenzo told TrueWrestling he had put on weight over the summer and was walking around at 165. Said he never cut weight in high school but had put on weight over the summer at PSU working out. Hopefully he gets things squared away, he's quite a talent.

 

[BDB57]

Not having to cut weight in HS while being extremely successful may be both a luxury and a curse..... Just ask Chance. I choose to believe in Cenzo and Im hoping things work out. Kid seems like a good kid and IS a stud wrestler.

 

[taketop]

Not having to cut weight in HS while being extremely successful may be both a luxury and a curse..... Just ask Chance. I choose to believe in Cenzo and Im hoping things work out. Kid seems like a good kid and IS a stud wrestler.

Trust me, he cut weight in high school that is why he's having problems making 157. Shows lack of discipline and commitment that one would not expect from a top 5 recruit. Chance wrestled 170 in high school his senior year and is trying to wrestle 157 in college where Joseph wrestled 152 in high school and now your saying he cant make 157 which is 5 lbs more than what you're saying he didn't cut for? Chance is making a weight 13 lbs lighter than his high school weight so your comment about Joseph not cutting to make 152 and now he can't make 157 is suspect to say the least. Sounds like he's living the good life at State College. IMO Penn State missed big on Kemerer. Also would bet Joseph won't be on the team much longer with additional things I'm hearing which are similar to the issues Mr Chance has.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Trust me, he cut weight in high school that is why he's having problems making 157. Shows lack of discipline and commitment that one would not expect from a top 5 recruit. Chance wrestled 170 in high school his senior year and is trying to wrestle 157 in college where Joseph wrestled 152 in high school and now your saying he cant make 157 which is 5 lbs more than what you're saying he didn't cut for? Chance is making a weight 13 lbs lighter than his high school weight so your comment about Joseph not cutting to make 152 and now he can't make 157 is suspect to say the least. Sounds like he's living the good life at State College. IMO Penn State missed big on Kemerer. Also would bet Joseph won't be on the team much longer with additional things I'm hearing which are similar to the issues Mr Chance has.

Well, good thing Cael recruited Mason Manville then. We are just fine in the middleweights.

You also seem to be quite the Kemerer cheerleader and posting a lot of rumors in our thread about Cenzo. Maybe they are true but maybe your heart is not in the right place:

https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/kemerer.77147/#post-1619747

 

[El-Jefe]

Trust me, he cut weight in high school that is why he's having problems making 157. Shows lack of discipline and commitment that one would not expect from a top 5 recruit. Chance wrestled 170 in high school his senior year and is trying to wrestle 157 in college where Joseph wrestled 152 in high school and now your saying he cant make 157 which is 5 lbs more than what you're saying he didn't cut for? Chance is making a weight 13 lbs lighter than his high school weight so your comment about Joseph not cutting to make 152 and now he can't make 157 is suspect to say the least. Sounds like he's living the good life at State College. IMO Penn State missed big on Kemerer. Also would bet Joseph won't be on the team much longer with additional things I'm hearing which are similar to the issues Mr Chance has.

In Joseph's 4 years in HS, he wrestled 106-120-138-152, but trust the Iowa fan with no connection to him, he cut in HS.

And, because, when it's time to host the nation's biggest recruit in 2 years, Cael always goes with the team's biggest partier and a guy he won't be keeping around much longer.

Smh at the inanity of this.

 

[CSauertiegPSU]

In Joseph's 4 years in HS, he wrestled 106-120-138-152, but trust the Iowa fan with no connection to him, he cut in HS.

And, because, when it's time to host the nation's biggest recruit in 2 years, Cael always goes with the team's biggest partier and a guy he won't be keeping around much longer.

Smh at the inanity of this.

Buuuurrrnnnnn

 

[CholleyVandine]

Joseph (and his school) disputed the P-G report that he missed the county tournament last year because he had been suspended. This is from his Twitter:

Vincenzo Joseph‏@CenzoJoseph
For those who were wondering, I was not suspended from my team. Where do people get their information?
2:21 PM - 18 Jan 2015

Joseph says in the interview Brian linked to that his natural weight was so close to 152 during his senior year of high school that he never even bothered stepping on the scale until the day before an event.

Otherwise, everything Taketop says is spot on.

 

[royboy]

No inside info, but I can't see how missing weight a SECOND time is not a major red flag.

 

[a_mshaffer]

I know the boards contain a lot of speculation and unfortunately we don't always get the whole scoop from the source, but.... All I can say about losing weight is that it sucks. Losing weight over the holiday's is the worse... Redshirting may make Cenzo's motivation for sucking weight during the holidays a little less of a priority. Having not pulled a lot of weight before, he may have gotten a lot of advice on how to do it that didn't necessarily work for him. I know I had to count on the workouts to cut. Those workouts are reduced over the holidays and who knows what was up... maybe he was sick a few days...
BUT... if he doesn't have much of an excuse, I bet he'll have fun in the room this week! I asked Q about the story of the practice that was completed once everyone escaped/got off of the bottom. He said something along the line that the entire team cleaned up and came back to watch him still being ridden by (I think) Brown... He did finally get out. He went on to say how that was tough combined with not feeling the best...

 

[taketop]

No inside info, but I can't see how missing weight a SECOND time is not a major red flag.

No one is questioning Vincenzo Josephs wrestling ability. However, missing weight at your schools hosted open (NLO) and then the biggest national level open (Scuffle) is a big deal and should be a big concern. Cenzo is certified and listed on the roster at 149. I trust the coaches and staff would not have registered him in these two opens at a weight he could not compete at. It’s a fact he missed weight at the NLO, I was there and it was common knowledge among most in attendance. Now a few weeks later after he misses weight at his schools hosted big time open he misses weight again at now the biggest open of the year. I was not at the Scuffle but it has been confirmed by people who were there and psu’s own media that Cenzo and Dinmore missed weight and Cortez had skin issues. So these are the facts, not me trying to bash a kid or start rumors. Cenzo was a top 5 Blue Chip recruit and is part of the country’s top programs. He has expectations and missing weight at two of the biggest opens for a top redshirt freshmen is unacceptable IMO. Dinmore moved up to 149 and took his lumps, why didn’t Cenzo go 65? With these two incidents and a past similar incident of Cenzo missing his County tournament for some reason a reason that somehow the press reported as a school suspension? I’m not sure what the facts are about Cenzo missing his senior year county tournament but with these two missing weight incidents it makes you wonder? Time will tell but it’s not a good way to start your college career especially from a top recruit at a top program. Missing weight at the NLO was one thing now missing weight again at the Scuffle big time Red Flag.

 

[El-Jefe]

It's not a big deal or a big concern because
1. Head Coach Cael Sanderson
2. FR Jason Nolf
3. JR Zack Beitz
4. SO Cody Law
5. Incoming Mason Manville.

Cenzo will figure it out or he won't. For his sake, I hope he does, and I think the team will be better off if he does. But the sky isn't falling.

 

[royboy]

It's not a big deal or a big concern because
1. Head Coach Cael Sanderson
2. FR Jason Nolf
3. JR Zack Beitz
4. SO Cody Law
5. Incoming Mason Manville.

Cenzo will figure it out or he won't. For his sake, I hope he does, and I think the team will be better off if he does. But the sky isn't falling.

No, it doesn't mean the demise of the program, by any means.

But, with all due respect, it IS a big deal for the future of Cenzo Joseph and certainly somewhat important to future PSU lineups in the middle weights. I trust Cael and the staff to handle this fairly.

 

[El-Jefe]

No, it doesn't mean the demise of the program, by any means.

But, with all due respect, it IS a big deal for the future of Cenzo Joseph and certainly somewhat important to future PSU lineups in the middle weights. I trust Cael and the staff to handle this fairly.

Agree. We said the same thing 2 different ways.

 

[shak66_psu]

I've seen this movie before... Joseph will end his career with two National Championships!!!! For Lock Haven.... just kidding.. he'll be fine.

 

[Gray52]

Can't say for certain but I'm starting to hear from people that Cenzo is having challenges with the college social scene

I don't chime in often... However, I heard this info as well a few weeks before the NLO. I didn't give it much thought at the time.... But him not making weight at that tournament certainly raised a few eyebrows. Missing weight again last weekend is cause for concern, even if this info isn't accurate.

 

[Ames2State]

He was DOUBLE DIGITS over the scratch weight.
Vincenzo Joseph needs a serious wakeup call on the reality of high-level D1 wrestling. He needs to live the correct lifestyle.

 

[LemonPie]

Oh boy

 

[El-Jefe]

I had completely forgotten about the Ignore button. Thanks for the reminder!

 

[jschrantz]

I had completely forgotten about the Ignore button. Thanks for the reminder!

Exactly!

 

[taketop]

Coaches new Joseph was a risk, in fact Lehigh, Cornell, tOSU, and a few others backed off him because of character issues/incidents. Just talk to his former high school coach and PSU NCAA Champ 4X AA Abe about the young man. I’m hearing the staff is not happy with his attitude and his lifestyle. Missed weight once at your own hosted open - not good. Get second chance in the biggest open of the year and you blow it - disaster. There’s a lot more going on with Mr. Joseph then making weight, let’s just hope and pray he gets things together before he becomes a statistic and not a good one.

 

[El-Jefe]

Two-a-days on the Ignore button!

Even Flo's #1 PFP troll Jammen isn't on ignore, so you guys really had to earn it.

 

[Lyco1990]

Two-a-days on the Ignore button!

Even Flo's #1 PFP troll Jammen isn't on ignore, so you guys really had to earn it.

+1000 makes kk look good! I "no" you are right Jefe.

 

[TangSoo]

Taketop, are you rooting for Cenzo? Are you concerned? Praying for him? Is Abe baring his soul to you about Cenzo? I'm getting mixed messages here. Give it a rest. It's gossip.
I hope Kemerer is a 4 time AA. Has nothing to do with Cenzo though. You should be more worried about Imar, JoJo, and hope Nolf does move to 165 with regards to Kemerer. Unless he's beating or flipping with Sorenson. If Kemerer is at 49, he's got bigger concerns than Cenzo for at least 2 years. I'm not getting your Cenzo fixation.
And when's the last time Lehigh got a top 5 recruit Cael wanted? Off the top of my head I recall pre-Cael (Letters). Cornell hasn't had a few meatheads on their team? I'm not buying the "passed on Cenzo" bs.
Coaches always say a redshirt year gives a kid time to adjust to the riggers of College Academics, Wrestling, and life in general. Sounds like a bit of a challenge right now without your "assistance".

 

[jrd23psu]

Missing weight at both of these opens is definitely a cause for concern and raises a red flag. I don't think there is any other way to look at it.

However, it certainly does not spell doom for the kid. He's not the first FR that has had trouble initially maintaining weight in college. It's a long way until the next season and hopefully the coaches and Joseph can figure out how to make it work at 157 for him. Either that or Nolf stays at 157 and Joseph goes 165 next year. The reality is that 157/165 needs to be manned by Nolf/Joseph in whatever order will work.

 

[Dungeon Yankee]

The reality is that 157/165 needs to be manned by Nolf/Joseph in whatever order will work.[/QUOTE]
Good comment. That's the key.

 

[Lion-around]

The reality is that 157/165 needs to be manned by Nolf/Joseph in whatever order will work.

Good comment. That's the key.[/QUOTE]
Nolf/Joseph or vice versa would be great, but substituting Manville with Joseph is damn good as well

 

[dunkej01]

i believe the incident with the county tournament was that the team was leaving for the tournament at "X" time. VJo, didnt go into school that morning just went to the van to leave for the tournament. However, the school has a policy that says if they have school the same day as an away extracurricular you must be in school officially and participate in class prior to leaving for the extracurricular function. Some schools would just turn a blind eye to something as trivial as this. But PCC stood up and followed the policy as written. No more no less. If this makes schools shy away from him, first I would say BS to that, but if they did so be it. I have faith Cael put the incident in the proper perspective after knowing the facts as much as he is on our roster.

As for making weight, this 2 pages feels more like the HR, themat.com or the football boards then BWI wrestling forum. Question it, report what you hear, but some of this is just silly and Im sure many of the biggest offenders would yell at their children for doing the same. Simple thing is that if VJo has a problem(s) when it counts (which is not this year), Cael and the team will deal with it accordingly. This much I know.

As for Nolf, personally he looks to me like he stays at 157 and I could see IMart move into the 165 class next year.

 

[Grass]

I know Nolf is probably way stronger than he looks, but he almost looks frail compared to Imar and Smith. I think he will only get better when he gets physically stronger. I think that will be the biggest difference between him and Imar. Imar's strength is impressive.

 

[royboy]

I know Nolf is probably way stronger than he looks, but he almost looks frail compared to Imar and Smith. I think he will only get better when he gets physically stronger. I think that will be the biggest difference between him and Imar. Imar's strength is impressive.

We'll get more info soon, with the dual vs Illinois on 1/23 (carried on BTN).
Look forward to it.

 

[erie lion]

I trust Cenzo will overcome the issue with some firm advisement served up by Coach Cael.

If it's truly just weight issue - I feel for the young man. I have had hopes of possibly again qualifying 174 - despite best intentions still struggling to make 197 last few seasons..............

 

[nitlion6]

i believe the incident with the county tournament was that the team was leaving for the tournament at "X" time. VJo, didnt go into school that morning just went to the van to leave for the tournament. However, the school has a policy that says if they have school the same day as an away extracurricular you must be in school officially and participate in class prior to leaving for the extracurricular function. Some schools would just turn a blind eye to something as trivial as this. But PCC stood up and followed the policy as written. No more no less. If this makes schools shy away from him, first I would say BS to that, but if they did so be it. I have faith Cael put the incident in the proper perspective after knowing the facts as much as he is on our roster.

As for making weight, this 2 pages feels more like the HR, themat.com or the football boards then BWI wrestling forum. Question it, report what you hear, but some of this is just silly and Im sure many of the biggest offenders would yell at their children for doing the same. Simple thing is that if VJo has a problem(s) when it counts (which is not this year), Cael and the team will deal with it accordingly. This much I know.

As for Nolf, personally he looks to me like he stays at 157 and I could see IMart move into the 165 class next year.

The incident in question was during the kid's senior season, wasn't it? The kid had already committed to Penn State, so despite what anybody in previous posts posted - he was already a Lion and Cornell, Lehigh and several other schools certainly did not shy away from him because of this or any other behavior issues. By the time this happened all other schools were told he was not interested in them.

The kid shows up for class, he shows up at practice and works his tail off. It has been 1 1/2 years since he committed to be a Lion and not a single peep on the giant rumor spreader known as the world wide web about the kid and any destructive behavior tendencies, yet a couple days after not making weight at a tournament a few newer posters show up to tell us all what a horrible kid the young man is.

Dunk, I believe bev had it right, hit the ignore button. Try not to feed them, and wait until they go away.