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Cenzo/Zeke, Nevills/Medbery

jschrantz

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I'll go Cenzo 7-6
And Medbery 5-2. 1-1 for the good guys in much anticipated measuring stick matchups. Who ya got?
 
I'll go Cenzo 7-6
And Medbery 5-2. 1-1 for the good guys in much anticipated measuring stick matchups. Who ya got?

I'd be inclined to reverse that - there is really nothing on the resumes between Medberry and Nick to convince you one-way, or the other, that this one is not a toss up.
 
Medbery is damn good, with serious lower-body mass. Nevills will have his work cut out for him if he wants takedowns via his usual leg attacks. I'll be thrilled if he pulls out a victory, but I'm not banking on it.

Unfortunately, I'd probably put my money on Jordan, too, giving him the edge in experience and savviness. I'm mildly optimistic that Joseph will step up and overcome that, though, with his timing, speed, and power.
 
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I think these two matches will be incredible learning experiences for both Cenzo and Nevills that will help them in March. I think they will both do well but will come up short just like Suriano did against Gilman. Hope I'm wrong!
 
Ok, I'll be the homer. Cenzo gets an early lead and hangs on just enough in the 3rd for a decision.

Nevills catches Medberry in a scramble and gets some back points. An 8-5 type of match.
 
Yuge for seeding if Nick can beat Medbery and get out of the 4/5 slot (Sasquatch dropping from 4th due to today's loss).
 
I have a wager that Nevills wins. I like a 4-2 W. A td, E and stall point vs 2 Es.

Cenzo I got to think on.
 
Yuge for seeding if Nick can beat Medbery and get out of the 4/5 slot (Sasquatch dropping from 4th due to today's loss).

Then we should be big fans of Duke Blueberries next Sunday (or March 4th). It may turn out to be Nevills only path to #3.
 
Then we should be big fans of Duke Blueberries next Sunday (or March 4th). It may turn out to be Nevills only path to #3.
Either but not both. Because Kasper will likely pass Nick if he sweeps Walz. Maybe even if Nick sweeps Medbery, because Nick will still likely have 2 losses to Snyder, and Kasper has only 1 loss this year (coincidentally, pinned by Medbery's backup).

Then again, if Kasper sweeps Walz and Nick sweeps Medbery, then they'll be the 2 and 3 seeds at nationals. One of them would get Sasquatch in the quarters, the other Schafer. Medbery and Walz would battle in the quarters for the right to lose to Snyder in the semis. That might be our dream scenario.
 
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Either but not both. Because Kasper will likely pass Nick if he sweeps Walz. Maybe even if Nick sweeps Medbery, because Nick will still likely have 2 losses to Snyder, and Kasper has only 1 loss this year (coincidentally, pinned by Medbery's backup).

Then again, if Kasper sweeps Walz and Nick sweeps Medbery, then they'll be the 2 and 3 seeds at nationals. One of them would get Sasquatch in the quarters, the other Schafer. Medbery and Walz would battle in the quarters for the right to lose to Snyder in the semis. That might be our dream scenario.

Not that I was implying a need for a Kasper sweep of Walz, but let's say if he did...You would seed Kasper (with a bad loss on his record) higher than Nevills if the latter's only losses -- no matter the number -- were to Snyder and Medbery (assuming Medbery loses to no one other than Snyder)?

In case that wasn't clear, let's assume Snyder and Medbery stay #1 and #2, Nick's only loss(es) are to those two guys, and Kasper sweeps Walz....I would seed Nevills #3, Kasper #4, Walz #5, Quatch #6, etc. No?
 
Not that I was implying a need for a Kasper sweep of Walz, but let's say if he did...You would seed Kasper (with a bad loss on his record) higher than Nevills if the latter's only losses -- no matter the number -- were to Snyder and Medbery (assuming Medbery loses to no one other than Snyder)?

In case that wasn't clear, let's assume Snyder and Medbery stay #1 and #2, Nick's only loss(es) are to those two guys, and Kasper sweeps Walz....I would seed Nevills #3, Kasper #4, Walz #5, Quatch #6, etc. No?
Let's start by saying: seeding committees do goofy things. Every year. Example: Nolf #3 behind Gantt.

I think if Kasper sweeps, the seeders will look at his 2 very good wins (over Walz) and consider his loss an aberration. Nick's overall schedule would be better, but (unless he splits with Medbery) his best win would be Kroells, who is not as good a win as Walz.

The seeders could also decide to separate Kasper and Walz until the finals.
 
Let's start by saying: seeding committees do goofy things. Every year. Example: Nolf #3 behind Gantt.

I think if Kasper sweeps, the seeders will look at his 2 very good wins (over Walz) and consider his loss an aberration. Nick's overall schedule would be better, but (unless he splits with Medbery) his best win would be Kroells, who is not as good a win as Walz.

The seeders could also decide to separate Kasper and Walz until the finals.

Good points on the committee, and I would hope that strength of schedule played a role...Very likely a moot hypothetical, though, as I doubt Walz loses to him twice. Lightning striking once would make things very interesting, however.
 
Let's start by saying: seeding committees do goofy things. Every year. Example: Nolf #3 behind Gantt.

I think if Kasper sweeps, the seeders will look at his 2 very good wins (over Walz) and consider his loss an aberration. Nick's overall schedule would be better, but (unless he splits with Medbery) his best win would be Kroells, who is not as good a win as Walz.

The seeders could also decide to separate Kasper and Walz until the finals.

Good points on the committee, and I would hope that strength of schedule played a role...Very likely a moot hypothetical, though, as I doubt Walz loses to him twice. Lightning striking once would make things very interesting, however.
Pretty sure they use a similar criteria to selecting the at-large wrestlers. In priority order...
●● Head-to-head competition —25 percent
●● Quality wins —20 percent
●● CR —15 percent
●● Results against common opponents —10 percent
●● RPI —10 percent
●● Qualifying event placement —10 percent
●● Win % —10 percent

Posting because there is a "system", yet sometimes I'm still confused.
 
Count me with those who will not be in the least bit surprised if NN wins this match. I say about 50/50. VJ I would give more of a 30% chance. Jordan is very good at winning tight matches.
 
Count me with those who will not be in the least bit surprised if NN wins this match. I say about 50/50. VJ I would give more of a 30% chance. Jordan is very good at winning tight matches.

I agree. I predict both Cenzo and NN will come up short but if I were to bet on one it would be NN. Looking forward to both of them closing any gap before March.
 
Nevills will beat Medberry.
Vincenzo can beat Jordan, should be interesting
 
Excited for both these bouts. Good measuring stick for our guys, win or lose.
 
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