chase young learned his lesson. Heisman finalist.
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I'm not saying that he's not a very good player. However, I would bet that there are several defense ends who put up better stats than he did this season; I thought that the one Auburn defensive end was the best defensive player whom I saw this year. However, he was the product of the Fox hype machine when Gus Johnson did the first OSU-Wisconsin game. Moreover, how can a kid be rewarded like this when he was suspended for two games?
It's very illustrative when you realize that Navy is honoring a true scholar athlete this weekend, Roger Staubach, through their uniforms. How times have changed for the worse.
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I agree it's disappointing. Then again, Jameis Winston was awarded the Heisman. Chase won't be.
It'd be o e clear that, like our news cycle, there are false narratives put out by the media each and every day. Chase Young narrative is no different than the Minnie narrative or the Wisky Rose narrative. I don't agree with them, but I've learned to expect them.
Please tell me you're not comparing Chase Young (who took money from a family member, that he PAID BACK, so he could fly his GF to his bowl game) to Jamis Winston (who was accused of raping a woman)?
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I think you should re-read my post in context. If it helps, the prior poster was speaking to the message the Downtown Club is giving by including Chase Young in the Heisman ceremony despite being suspended for breaking the rules. I pointed out Winston as precedent for showing the Downtown Club doesn't care about that message. It included a player with far more serious character concerns and awarded him the trophy.Please tell me you're not comparing Chase Young (who took money from a family member, that he PAID BACK, so he could fly his GF to his bowl game) to Jamis Winston (who was accused of raping a woman)?
So yes, I'm comparing the situations. But not the way you are.
And the person who provided the money wasn't a family member. It was a "family friend" he met after becoming a 5* recruit for OSU.
Will he pay to fly his GF to the ceremony?
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Chase Young wins the Nagurski Trophy. It's sponsored by LendingTree and there is absolutely nothing ironic about that.
Chase Young wins the Nagurski Trophy. It's sponsored by LendingTree and there is absolutely nothing ironic about that.
The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. The winners of the trophy epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust’s mission is to ensure the continuation and integrity of this award.....hmmmmmmm
I'm so sure if Chase Young whore blue and white instead of scarlet and gray or if it was Penn State's Antonio Shelton that was a finalist for the Heisman, you'd fill the same. LOL.
Bottom line is that some of you people are just so full of HATE when it comes to anyone who does not wear blue and white that it’s sad. The fact of the matter is you’re no different than the douchebag fans who refer to Penn State as "Ped-State". Don’t fool yourself by saying you are; you’re not.
Personally I don’t get it. Maybe it’s from all the Sandusky BS we all have had to endure. Maybe it’s because you are so entrenched in all things Penn State that it has blinded your judgment. Maybe you're just so jealous that's it not Penn State. Either way you let your emotions become distortedly out of proportion when dealing with mistakes made by COLLEGE ATHLETES. Now I’m not talking “Jamis Winston’s mistakes”. But when it comes to what Chase Young did… give me a break. The kid made a mistake, owned up to it, APOLOGIZED, paid the price, and now is back. Yet some of you still want him to be punished, taking this once in a lifetime experience away from him, just to satisfy your own insecurities.
So sad.
Bottom line is that some of you people are just so full of HATE when it comes to anyone who does not wear blue and white that it’s sad. The fact of the matter is you’re no different than the douchebag fans who refer to Penn State as "Ped-State". Don’t fool yourself by saying you are; you’re not.
Personally I don’t get it. Maybe it’s from all the Sandusky BS we all have had to endure. Maybe it’s because you are so entrenched in all things Penn State that it has blinded your judgment. Maybe you're just so jealous that's it not Penn State. Either way you let your emotions become distortedly out of proportion when dealing with mistakes made by COLLEGE ATHLETES. Now I’m not talking “Jamis Winston’s mistakes”. But when it comes to what Chase Young did… give me a break. The kid made a mistake, owned up to it, APOLOGIZED, paid the price, and now is back. Yet some of you still want him to be punished, taking this once in a lifetime experience away from him, just to satisfy your own insecurities.
So sad.
Ok, how about this...in two of their biggest games Chase Young was completely nonexistent therefore he should not be invited to the Heisman ceremony....you know, like when Barkley got overlooked because of a couple of “poor” games (but only when they didn’t count his receiving and return yards). At least Barkley still played well in those games, Young did next to nothing against Michigan and Wiscy. Is that okay to feel he shouldn’t be invited to the Heisman ceremony? Does that meet your disagreement criteria or is it just hate too?
That's not the issue/argument. You have every right to be of the opinion that Chase Young is NOT a Heisman finalist because of his play on the field. LIKE I DO. But to want a kid not to be a Heisman finalist because of a mistake he made, that he paid the price for, well shame on you.
Say what you will, but "hate" has nothing to do with this. You are trivializing the word "hate" when you do that.
He didn’t really pay the price for it, that’s kind of the argument. And I’m not buying the story they’re trying to sell. I’m not sure how naive or dumb someone has to be to believe it.
That would make as much sense as not having Barkley as a finalist...oh wait.
So you're writing a general statement to all of us about why we feel the way we do on so many of these type matters. And you don't get it. Perhaps you are unaware of the last 50 years of being crapped on by the media and the public, and that started long before Sandusky. Myself and many others are just tired of the hypocrisy that exists and seems to be getting worse. This is all factual, not just crazed fans believing in a conspiracy against PSU. Other schools and players break rules left and right and it has no bearing on anything, and they are still rewarded, either by an honor or a large, lucrative contract. Or no sanctions, loss of scholarships etc. Sorry you don't seem able to see all this.
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Fascinating (for me, in this moment). When I read your cited language, the integrity party seemed off. I wasn't used to seeing that. And, in fact, many trophy references leave that off. It's often referenced as the outstanding player award, as opposed to "best" or "most valuable," which are at least nominally different awards (Maxwell and Griffin).
Here's an example. Wikipedia's main narrative leaves it out. Note: The Heisman Memorial Trophy, is awarded annually to the outstanding player in NCAA football. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work.
Note: later found integrity included in the ribbon with "Given for". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisman_Trophy
Integrity is certainly included in the Trust Mission. https://www.heisman.com/heisman-trust/
Not saying Chase Young isn't a great kid and doesn't have integrity. But one has to wonder whether voters or the trust were given facts about his suspension that weren't shared with the public. He was found to have broken the rules, he's an adult (20 yrs old) and although he voluntarily announced facts related to his err, there really has been a tight lid on facts many still feel entitled to know, like who this "family friend" was. Interesting. And now back to Winston, whose integrity has become a known commodity.
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I guess you messed the part where I said some of you: "Bottom line is that some of you people are just so full of HATE ...."
As for other schools breaking the rules and get away with it. They ALL BREAK THE RULES and get away with it.
TRUE STORY: I'm at the G-Man on Saturday night in January of 1993. Not exactly sure of the date but Penn State's season had just ended (lost to Standford in the Blockbuster Bowl) so it couldn't have been more than two weeks. As i'm sitting at the corner of the bar, closest to the double doors, and a brand new GMC Syclone pulls directly out front and out steps OJ McDuffie. Again, the season couldn't have been over for more than two weeks and here's OJ McDuffie with a brand new 40K truck. It didn't take more than an hour before word got around the bar that his agent bought it for him.
Now we all know that the NCAA prohibits any talk with agents until after the last game of the season. And being that the season was over McDuffie technically did nothing wrong by accepting the truck. But you'd have to be either "naive or dumb" if you believe McDuffie had not had some type of communication with his agent before Penn State's season was over. Like I said: They ALL BREAK THE RULES and get away with it.
By the way... you can call me a lier... BSer... all you want. I was there and the story is true. (By the way.... to be specific... it was a white GMC Syclone!)
We’ve been screwed more than any other program in terms of national championships. We’ve also been screwed in terms of Heisman winners (Carter, Johnson, Barkley). But we shouldn’t get mad when another program who doesn’t get screwed beats the system yet again. It’s kind of funny some of our fans lecture us about that.
That’s quite a stretch to make a ridiculous point. I know quite a few players who didn’t cheat. You have no idea what the timeline was for McDuffie so you’re assuming a lot.
But let say you’re right and they all cheat...then you say they all get away with it. Well, Chase Young didn’t get away with it so how much cheating is he doing that he got caught? It obviously happened all the time for him to get caught if everyone else does it and they get away with it.
I don't doubt your story. However, in all the years we have never been cited for these type rule violations. And this is not about hate. It's about being at the bottom of the hill as the shit rolls down. Not sure why you have a hard time with that concept.
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Wait. Since you were one of few remaining CFB fans to still believe (or assume incorrectly) the loan was from a family member, do you still think it doesn't matter who the lender was? You know, the one with money to lend who befriended a prized 5* recruit after he signed with OSU? You know, so his girlfriend could do with an athlete what most college coeds could only dream of doing?
Do you not notice variations between programs when it comes to rules, enforcement and things related to integrity ? Chase Young this year, Urban Meyer lying about his wife-battering assistant last year? "Not playing school?" Tressel and tattoogate? Gamesmanship around Fields' waiver that few other players and programs (not named Michigan) received? The timely suspension with NCAA taking a quick appeal, reducing the penalty just in time for the PSU v. OSU game, even where the rule has clear monetary guidelines they'd already concluded were broken?
To be fair, much of the above has nothing to do with Young personally. Mush as to do with OSU and the NCAA. Young might be a great kid at an institution where rules are flexible. But do you seriously find no cause for questions surrounding integrity given this pattern as the identity of the "family friend" remains a mystery?
And let’s not forget the punishment for what he did is four games...but the NCAA bent their own rules to let him play early. Only a handful of schools would have received that treatment.
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Last sentence of second paragraph.
but yes. That matters.
And all I want to know is who the person was. But two institutions known for occasionally bending principles of integrity are tight lipped and just saying “trust us.”
So to bolster your point that PSU has always cheated, you cite a player in a new car 2 weeks after the bowl game? WTF sense does that make? I lived w/ a guy who played 12 seasons in the NFL when he was a senior. He got an advance and bought a Bronco before he was drafted. Before that, I gave him rides or he took the bus. He missed out on all the cheating I guess.
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I may have posted this before but I am willing to bet that after the playoffs and Young is selected early in the draft and signs his big contract, additional information will come out which confirms his college eligibility should not have been restored. Anyone other than die hard Bucknut fans want to take the other side of that bet?
I personally am thankful that Omniscient dOSU Fan is here to police our thoughts surrounding not just the dOSU football program, but also PSU’s. Why in the world should anyone ever question why a “student” athlete like Chase Young is invited to the Heisman ceremony? But if he played for say Oklahoma State, he would not have been allowed to play a single down this season after his indiscretions came to light. That is the biggest hypocrisy in all of this. All programs are equal, but some are more equal than others.
The bottom line is we've never heard any credible information about what happened. The question of who paid him, and how he paid it back has not been answered. And I won't be giving the ncaa, the big ten, or osu the benefit of the doubt. Only a fool would do that.
As far as I'm concerned, the whole thing was bullshit and I await facts that prove me wrong.
You are right. Look, the Fox hype machine worked so well on Chase Young that even the NFL is fooled.
CBS Sports mock draft #2.
Fox Sports mock draft #1.
Sporting News mock draft #3.
Vegas average #2.
Why doesn't the NFL take those other guys with better stats?
The other malicious remark about the poverty that Chase Young comes from is just plain crude.
What kind of disgusting college guy borrows money for a plane ticket to fly his girlfriend to LA to watch him play in the Rose Bowl.
What kind of sick dude would do that?
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https://247sports.com/LongFormArtic...-Burrow-Chase-Young-Justin-Herbert-140177375/
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...ep-threat-cowboys-get-playmaker-in-secondary/
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