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CJF is one cool coach..........................

Comparing CJF to Pat Chambers.
I'm sorry, but you lose the internet for today:)
Why?

Their starting points are order of magnitudes different. If you can’t see that, then it’s not worth taking the time to discuss.
 
Why?

Their starting points are order of magnitudes different. If you can’t see that, then it’s not worth taking the time to discuss.
And Chambers is still at the starting blocks....so when does he start making up some ground?
 
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Why?

Their starting points are order of magnitudes different. If you can’t see that, then it’s not worth taking the time to discuss.
Orders of magnitude? Considering most people considered the sanctions were the equivalent of the death penalty and we wouldn't be good for 10 years?

Granted they weren't quite that bad, but if you cant see Franklin started with a Minny/Maryland/Purdue level of talent then it's not worth taking the time to discuss.
 
Orders of magnitude? Considering most people considered the sanctions were the equivalent of the death penalty and we wouldn't be good for 10 years?

Granted they weren't quite that bad, but if you cant see Franklin started with a Minny/Maryland/Purdue level of talent then it's not worth taking the time to discuss.
PSU with the sanctions was still filling our 110k seat stadium (generally), had facilities and financial support that blew away those other teams you mentioned, had a recruiting pipeline of kids that grew up dreaming to play here, etc. Franklin has done a great job, but PSU football with sanctions was still a much easier sell than PSU basketball.
 
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Are we really comparing Franklin to Chambers? They’re both great people. That’s where the comparison ends.
 
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PSU with the sanctions was still filling our 110k seat stadium (generally), had facilities and financial support that blew away those other teams you mentioned, had a recruiting pipeline of kids that grew up dreaming to play here, etc. Franklin has done a great job, but PSU football with sanctions was still a much easier sell than PSU basketball.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Think back to what it felt like in 2014. A lot of us feared we we would be down for a bit.
Class of 2013 was ranked 43rd, behind Indiana, Maryland and Pitt.
It wasn't a very easy sell.
 
We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Think back to what it felt like in 2014. A lot of us feared we we would be down for a bit.
Class of 2013 was ranked 43rd, behind Indiana, Maryland and Pitt.
It wasn't a very easy sell.
Yeah, I don’t recall any recruit posting “ewww” about our basketball team.
 
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I’m not a fan of some of his in-game coaching decisions, but love how his connects to his players, his passion, and the type of guy he is.

It’s basically the exact same way I feel about Patrick Chambers.

Ill preface this by saying I actually like Pat Chambers and want him to succeed here. That being said from 2016 on ...

James Franklin 36-9 (80% win percentage)
Pat Chambers 55-49 (53% win percentage)

If you go back to when we were sanctioned, couldn't go to a bowl game, were shunned literally by everyone and told we shouldn't even be playing football ...

James Franklin 50-21 (70%)
Pat Chambers 89-81 (52%)

I agree with the other poster with not understanding how you're comparing the two other than they're great people and that's where the comparison ends.
 
Ill preface this by saying I actually like Pat Chambers and want him to succeed here. That being said from 2016 on ...

James Franklin 36-9 (80% win percentage)
Pat Chambers 55-49 (53% win percentage)

If you go back to when we were sanctioned, couldn't go to a bowl game, were shunned literally by everyone and told we shouldn't even be playing football ...

James Franklin 50-21 (70%)
Pat Chambers 89-81 (52%)

I agree with the other poster with not understanding how you're comparing the two other than they're great people and that's where the comparison ends.
If we compared financial support, record before they arrived, recruiting rankings in the decade before they arrived, etc of the two programs, do you think we'd find similar things? Or do we think that maybe, at PSU, the football teams gets a crap-ton more support than the men's basketball program gets?

Who do think is likely to have more success and a better record? The next football coach at UConn, or the next women's basketball coach? The next soccer coach that Brazil hires, or the next soccer coach that Bolivia hires?

I see Franklin and Chambers as very similar because I have some of the same criticisms of both (some of their in-game decision making and coaching philosophies). But both are great men, very good recruiters for their respective situations, have tremendous support of their current and former players, and are great representatives of our university.
 
I wasn't saying that.

I was saying whatever coaching faults they have aren't exactly comparable.

I didn’t see him say their faults were comparable, just that he feels the same way about both. Maybe not you in particular, but a lot of folks took that and jumped down his throat with a straw man where he said Franklin isn’t any better than PC.
 
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Play station educated coaches have no basis to criticize elite division one coaches. If someone pays you 4 million dollars or more a year......it is evidence that you make very few mistakes relative to all football coaches in the universe.
Opinions are different.....everyone has them...you know like assholes, and many here have several. We have posters who know more than division one football AND basketball coaches. An incredible gift.
 
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Play station educated coaches have no basis to criticize elite division one coaches. If someone pays you 4 million dollars or more a year......it is evidence that you make very few mistakes relative to all football coaches in the universe.
Opinions are different.....everyone has them...you know like assholes, and many here have several. We have posters who know more than division one football AND basketball coaches. An incredible gift.
Read the same thoughts about baseball managers 20-25 years ago. Then guys like Bill James came along and things have evolved.

Football has been slow to follow on the analytics side, but it’ll get there.

Basketball is a lot closer to baseball in these regards.

A division one coach can motivate, draw up plays to exploit weaknesses in the other side, develop talent, etc. But when it comes to time management at the end of the half, when to go for 2, when to punt, etc, many are worse than a 16 year old kid playing PlayStation.
 
Read the same thoughts about baseball managers 20-25 years ago. Then guys like Bill James came along and things have evolved.

Football has been slow to follow on the analytics side, but it’ll get there.

Basketball is a lot closer to baseball in these regards.

A division one coach can motivate, draw up plays to exploit weaknesses in the other side, develop talent, etc. But when it comes to time management at the end of the half, when to go for 2, when to punt, etc, many are worse than a 16 year old kid playing PlayStation.
Says who? You? LOL Get your resume out there fanboy.
 
I have to admit, I was not happy with Franklin's being hired, but he has won me over. I think he is a great recruiter, a good coach, and an honorable man. Given my age, I think it is likely that he is the last Penn State football coach I will ever see. I am very comfortable with that.
Fair....can I ask why you weren't happy when he was hired?

I took one look at what he was able to accomplish at Vandy and decided we could do a heck of a lot worse....
 
Fair....can I ask why you weren't happy when he was hired?

I took one look at what he was able to accomplish at Vandy and decided we could do a heck of a lot worse....
I thought we could do better. I can't even recall my preferences at the time, but I never expected the level of success he has achieved and I am happy to admit I was wrong.
 
And you can keep thinking that it’s smart to punt on 4th and 1 at the other team’s 40, or it’s right to not foul with 3 seconds left and a three point lead, just because the coach making the wrong decision is highly compensated.
They don't care what you think or say and neither do I. Guys like you are of no concern or consequence to the people who really do the job.As Pat Fitzgerald says #IDon'tCare
 
I have to admit, I was not happy with Franklin's being hired, but he has won me over. I think he is a great recruiter, a good coach, and an honorable man. Given my age, I think it is likely that he is the last Penn State football coach I will ever see. I am very comfortable with that.
He's even been getting positive comments in the Pittsburgh media. Ron Cook said today that Franklin scored some points with him on how he handled this . Gee Ron, I'll bet that made his day. What an arrogant, sanctimonious bag of wind.
 
I love how coach Franklin seems to genuinely care about his players. He says it all the time about them being like sons to him. I really believe he means it...
 
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