If Ryan whined to the refs while Shak slept, does that make him like a tan Freddy Krueger?So during his sleep last night, Rasheed lost position and gave up the TD he originally had. My advice to Rasheed is to never sleep on your opponent.
Coaches Show: Sanderson says Nolf won't need surgery, no redshirts to be pulled
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I believe WrestleStat updates its "simulations" or whatever between Mon night and Tue which could explain why this changed. Greg? What say you?
I am not sure what happened in the data to switch the outcome.
If Jason takes the mat in March, we may see more of a controlled match where he takes his opponent down and rides him. Much like the Michigan match. It won't be "as exciting" but I would bet very effective.
He may start pinning his opponents early in matches just to reduce injury risk.
He may start pinning his opponents early in matches just to reduce injury risk.
Unfortunately, this is where I am as well. Sanderson has shown to have just about zero credibility regarding severity of injuries and expected return dates for his wrestlers. That's his prerogative, though it's unclear to me what is accomplished with an on-going charade like the Suriano situation last year.
The charade last was more about how to deal with the kid.
The medical conclusion was the kid was not going to be able to go. His season was done and he needed to begin the process of healing. The kid was emotionally overwhelmed with the knowledge that he was not going to get a shot at winning 4 titles. There was a collective decision to move forward with the goal of doing everything possible to give him a chance to have a miracle cure, and that included continual reinforcement. In other words, everybody except kid and dad knew he wasn't going to be able to go until the Wednesday prior to the finals.
In this case, who knows. What I do know is that despite my emotional connection to the team as a fan and my desire to know what is going on, the whys and hows of each athlete's medical condition is none of my business. I am OK with that.
Interesting analysis about last year...which most likely lead to the Surianos believing that Nick was robbed/stripped etc.
At least in Jason's case, what gives us hope is that other wrestlers have gone out and wrestled with major knee injuries that required surgery and extensive rehab after the season. Their leg is wrapped like a mummy to stabilize the knee and that does present challenges. Spencer Lee wrestled states last year with a torn ACL and just barely lost to DeSanto who is currently ranked as a true freshmen. We know it can be done. Quite honestly, we do not know the extent of Jason's injury, only that in JoePa language, he has a knee.
Yep. We do know he has a knee. We also know Kyle Snyder is Captain America and Jason Nolf is Spiderman. Spiderman has spider like healing powers.
Actually, Nolf is not hurt at all...it is a giant con to protect his seed until tournament time. Now Tom can say "That IS how we would have handled it"
Anybody who thinks Cael goes around lying about injuries doesn't know the man. He may be too hopeful. He may be too guarded in his comments. He may be too vague. But he didn't lie about Suriano last year and he isn't lying now.
Get over yourself! It was a JOKE! As if Nolf neeeded to have his seeding protected....
Nolf can wrestle very basic when he wants and has the best heavy hands snap downs in the game. I could picture a scenario where he uses head/hands and that viscous snap of his coupled with his ability to ride safe if he wants to win some 5-2 type matches. It would be weird to see Nolf wrestling like Jake Varner but if he chooses too I think he would be very hard to beat- just not as fun to watch. I wouldn't doubt Jason Nolf as I have watched him make the impossible look mundane far too long.
His exact quote was:
"wrestling right now"
That was a lie. He was obviously being hopelessly optimistic, but that public quote to the media was a lie. Not calling him a liar, in that, that is his personality. Just answering the very rhetorical question of why should we trust his public comments now?
I think the key with Cael's statements about Nolf is that he is not having surgery. If he had surgery, season over. At this time, the plan seems to be Nolf is at least going to try to wrestle. In a month, who knows, that could be different based upon Nolf's rehab.
He should be able to wrestle, will most likely have a cumbersome brace, but he does not have to run. As others pointed out, he most likely wrestles tactical matches and grinds it out on top.
I would think Nolf gives it a try, nothing to lose. Worse case he has surgery after the season and is still back for next season.
Can you cite your source on that quote? People keep saying he said that and maybe he did or maybe people just remember it that way
You don't have to believe him, that's your prerogative, but to come onto a public forum and impugn his integrity because you don't like his answer is both childish and self-righteous.
TRANSCRIPT - CAEL SANDERSON (March 13, 2017)On Suriano/health...
He's down in the room right now, wrestling. So he's progressing along. It's looking good. So we're going to - I don't know what else you want to hear. He's in. He's in.
Everyone's healthy. I mean, anytime you come out of a Big Ten tournament, you're going to have some nicks and bruises but nothing - we're healthy and happy and excited. It's national tournament week. It's a good time to be alive right now.
Motivation from Big Tens...
watch it for yourself. "He's down in the room right now wrestling."
https://www.flowrestling.org/articl...addresses-nick-surianos-health-prior-to-ncaas
Really? Because you were in the room when he said that and know for a fact that Suriano wasn't wrestling? I, for one, don't think Cael would lie...there's no reason to. I hate how everyone believes they know how everything played out when none of that has been discussed publicly.
My source is credible .Now I guess you could infer that he meant nick was wrestling with the demons in his head so there is that...but I agree, there's no reason to.
Thanks for looking that up, so he did say that then. I wasn't sure if it was just people remembering it that way or if that was true.
I still think it's a little harsh to call him a liar.
I'm guessing he was in the room wrestling when Cael said what he said. Do you have a quote from anyone or any evidence that even alludes to this statement being a lie? I think it is very likely Nick was wrestling and starting to move better before suffering a major setback. This is neither unusual or suspect imo. I had a major shoulder injury and let it heal enough to get back on the mat, but a few practices later it popped out and was far worse.
Pointing at a quote that can be neither proven or disproved as proof of a lie is at best weak sauce.
To be fair, vhs said Cael lied but did not actually call Cael a liar. Anyhow, is lying a bad thing? Sometimes, a guy is supposed to lie. For example, the Germans lied about their intentions just before bombing Pearl Harbor; that was their job.
Not impugning at all. Just saying he doesn't have the best track record. Trust me, I'm a Cael guy and I wish more coaches were like him. But I don't think, as fans, we should just take him at face value when you consider his comments just a year ago. Obviously, we all hope Nolf is okay and that he'll be 100% come Big Tens. Just not going to get on the joy-wagon and say, "Well, Cael said he's fine." When there's been evidence to the contrary about how Cael deals with injuries and the media.
To be fair, vhs said Cael lied but did not actually call Cael a liar. Anyhow, is lying a bad thing? Sometimes, a guy is supposed to lie. For example, the Germans lied about their intentions just before bombing Pearl Harbor; that was their job.
If lies didn't matter and this has nothing to do with coachspeak why are we on Week63 or so demanding accountability? Just sayin...
I worded what I said intentionally. If he's going to argue the semantics and take what Cael said literally, then to say Cael lied is to call him a liar. It's pretty ridiculous in my opinion to say that someone lied but couch it that I'm not calling him a liar.
vhs -
Did he tell the whole truth, no. Is he required to tell us the whole truth, no. What advantage does Cael, Nolf (Suriano) or the team gain by giving this information to us. Hell, if this was hockey, he'd have a lower body injury.
And what is this uproar even about? Maybe we should unload Cael and get someone who will be more straight up with us. We're all disappointed about the Nolf injury but to go after Cael as if we need to know right now if he's in or out is just stupid. We'll possibly have an answer on this in East Lansing and we'll definitely have an answer in Cleveland. If he can't go, it's going to be a lot harder on Jason (and Cael) than it is on us. Get some perspective....
Is there anything more fun than rehashing last year's drama?
You could make a case for that. But the famous oldie-goodie Scottish man has a cautionary tale about throwing labels at people ...
"An old man walks into a pub in Scottland, his feet shuffling, his back bent. He drags himself onto a stool and orders a beer. Placing the full glass in front of him, the bartender inquires upon his sad face.
The man answers with a smoky and trembling voice and a Scottish accent:
Ah, tell ya man! This pub, this very pub we're just sitting in. I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Pubmaker? Naa! See the wall over there, that protects our town? I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Wallmaker? And the bridge, you know, that crosses our river, I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Bridgemaker?
But I tell ya, man! YOU **** ONE GOAT!"
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Don't forget our fearless leader Bill Clinton, although he may not have lied. It all depends on what your definition of "is" is.To be fair, vhs said Cael lied but did not actually call Cael a liar. Anyhow, is lying a bad thing? Sometimes, a guy is supposed to lie. For example, the Germans lied about their intentions just before bombing Pearl Harbor; that was their job.
To be read with the same accent:You could make a case for that. But the famous oldie-goodie Scottish man has a cautionary tale about throwing labels at people ...
"An old man walks into a pub in Scottland, his feet shuffling, his back bent. He drags himself onto a stool and orders a beer. Placing the full glass in front of him, the bartender inquires upon his sad face.
The man answers with a smoky and trembling voice and a Scottish accent:
Ah, tell ya man! This pub, this very pub we're just sitting in. I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Pubmaker? Naa! See the wall over there, that protects our town? I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Wallmaker? And the bridge, you know, that crosses our river, I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Bridgemaker?
But I tell ya, man! YOU **** ONE GOAT!"
Whale oil beef hooked!
That's a classic! Bill Clinton and Saul Goodman are very likable weasels!
You could make a case for that. But the famous oldie-goodie Scottish man has a cautionary tale about throwing labels at people ...
"An old man walks into a pub in Scottland, his feet shuffling, his back bent. He drags himself onto a stool and orders a beer. Placing the full glass in front of him, the bartender inquires upon his sad face.
The man answers with a smoky and trembling voice and a Scottish accent:
Ah, tell ya man! This pub, this very pub we're just sitting in. I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Pubmaker? Naa! See the wall over there, that protects our town? I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Wallmaker? And the bridge, you know, that crosses our river, I built it, with me own hands! But do they call me the Bridgemaker?
But I tell ya, man! YOU **** ONE GOAT!"
That joke also works well if the main character is a college coach from Columbus.
Cael's statements last year about Suriano wrestling in the room were pretty vauge and non-committal--"wrestling" can mean a broad array of activity. To me the more important thing was what he wasn't saying, namely talking with any specificity about x-rays, range of movement, etc., i.e., the kind of things you'd say to reassure about an injury. So I just figured the rumors were true, that Suriano broke his foot or ankle and the team was simply taking things day by day; protecting the seed and holding out whatever slim hope he could wrestle. Conversely, Cael's statement about Nolf was fairly explicit and I see no reason to doubt whether a doctor determined Nolf did or didn't need surgery, and the prognosis for his chances of returns and timetable was obviously left vague but hopeful because there's plenty of time between now and March. I recall that a similar panic flew up earlier this season when Cenzo was held out and Cael was vague about the nature. So again, not sure why how staff's handling of Suriano injury is telling of anything here.
