Coaching question

[kps7987]

I don't post much but enjoy the board. What does an opposing coach say or do to get their wrestler prepared for Nolf? The varied attacks, pace, aggressive nature as well as he is good in al positions, it does not seem like there is a weakness. Even if your wrestler gets into an advantageous position, Nolf seems to have an athletic counter.

Nobody currently in his class scan match his takedowns so I can only assume someone with a really good top game would be the only chance of beating him. I do not see Kemmerer closing the gap but guess its possible.

Now I know many will have answers like "Good luck kid" or "Don't get hurt" but am asking for a serious answer on what a coach does in a position like this.

 

[nerfstate]

Looks like Tom Ryan has a new Rivals account.

 

[jschrantz]

It's not about the opponent, wrestle your best, he's human, puts his pants on one leg at a time, Coach Speak

 

[PSU Mike]

“He can’t keep up with you for seven minutes.”

“You’re stronger than him.”

“Don’t fall for that scrambling crap.”

“Keep moving forward and things will take care of themselves.”

“Turn it into a scrap.”

“He’s only human.”

“Rocky IV.”

“He lost just two years ago.”

 

[tikk10]

I think you go with his throw, try to roll through, and stick him. High risk high reward, but it's not really high risk because he's going to pin you eventually anyway.

 

[86PSUPaul]

Is someone trying to fill another binder for TnT?

 

[El-Jefe]

Looks like Tom Ryan has a new Rivals account.

Practice the whirlybird.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Get him in a front headlock for minutes at a time; look busy but do nothing; crawl out of bounds strategically; fake a concussion

 

[James Toney]

-Do not take him down.
-Do not reverse him.
-Buy him a meal after weigh ins.
-Ask for his autograph before the match.

Seriously.
-You gotta be able to match his pace.
-Nolf plays a lot, when he stands up straight or gets lazy go for a headlock(that guy hit Nolf in one last year but did not get backs)
-Can not be scared of him, don't give him any respect.
-Most importantly you have to be highly skilled to begin with, because just your average wrestler is not going to beat him.

 

[purescurve]

I think the coach checks to see if the insurance policy is in good standing then, and only then, tells the kid to " go get after him" while preparing himself for his "broken Perry moment".

 

[Callthestall]

-Do not take him down.
-Do not reverse him.
-Buy him a meal after weigh ins.
-Ask for his autograph before the match.

Seriously.
-You gotta be able to match his pace.
-Nolf plays a lot, when he stands up straight or gets lazy go for a headlock(that guy hit Nolf in one last year but did not get backs)
-Can not be scared of him, don't give him any respect.
-Most importantly you have to be highly skilled to begin with, because just your average wrestler is not going to beat him.

Buy him a big meal before weigh ins.

 

[nerfstate]

...puts his pants on one leg at a time, Coach Speak

Do we know for a fact this is true with Jason? I could totally see him getting both on before his feet hit the ground.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Do we know for a fact this is true with Jason? I could totally see him getting both on before his feet hit the ground.

Yes. He hits that roll-through that he did to Bethea at the Keystone last year. When he pops back up, pants are on, shirt is tucked in and he drops into his shoes.

 

[1AA]

Just tell them "if you want to be the man your gonna have to beat the man"

 

[PSUisawesome]

I don't post much but enjoy the board. What does an opposing coach say or do to get their wrestler prepared for Nolf? The varied attacks, pace, aggressive nature as well as he is good in al positions, it does not seem like there is a weakness. Even if your wrestler gets into an advantageous position, Nolf seems to have an athletic counter.

Nobody currently in his class scan match his takedowns so I can only assume someone with a really good top game would be the only chance of beating him. I do not see Kemmerer closing the gap but guess its possible.

Now I know many will have answers like "Good luck kid" or "Don't get hurt" but am asking for a serious answer on what a coach does in a position like this.

There's no downside here. If you score at all it will look very impressive. If you throw in the towel no one will know unless they are willing to spend an hour or two watching the pin in slow motion. On top of which you get to shake Jason Nolfs hand at the hieght of his career.

 

[Cowbell Man]

First is long time prep. We would be working all off season on pace. All the time. Simply put, if you can’t match the pace you will lose. And you can’t plan a week ahead to get ready for the pace.

Presuming that’s done, I might try to work a lot of his head in neutral, snap downs and pressure. Perhaps that kind of pressure car slow him some. The snap downs may lead to quality outside single or throwby with an unrelenting clamp on the back of the neck during the throw.

That’s what I would do for starters.

Chances of working are so low but staying in neutral is better than any other position with him. But I know this about wrestling: as long as the clock is ticking, you have a chance to win even if losing 14-0.

I know DT was Magic....but really, Nolf spends so much time making up new moves...he’s pretty magical.

 

[RoarLions1]

Usually, scouting (watching tapes, etc.) will provide some info for coaches to use. Jason is so creative that it doesn't help...my guess, and imo. There's simply few weaknesses.

That said, everyone is beatable on a given day...we've seen it before, including in wrestling...though it seems incredibly unlikely here.

My hat's off to his opponents this year, as every one has wrestled him, and not laid down on the mat.

 

[PSU Mike]

Hats off to Kemerer. He was probably the only guy last year to fight pretty well face to face. Berger 2x and Lavalee just aren’t going to be able to keep it to like 8-10 points with the new rules.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Roar and I were talking at the Scuffle about Jason's hand to the face. Rather than a fingers up, palm to the face, he is tending to turn his hand, and close his fingers in front of the guy's face. Roar thought maybe Jason was trying to block the opponents vision from what is coming next. Sounds reasonable to me. Any other ideas?

Of course, if I was wrestling him, I'd just close my own eyes, so he wouldn't have to bother.

 

[SpikingWhamos]

Yes. He hits that roll-through that he did to Bethea at the Keystone last year. When he pops back up, pants are on, shirt is tucked in and he drops into his shoes.

It's the perfectly situated bow-tie that's really impressive

 

[ecdcr]

I watched Nolf's Keystone Classic final and had 2 thoughts: 1- he could have teched the guy in the first if he wanted to, but chose to back off. 2- it looked like he gave Velliquette his leg on purpose just so he could end the match with a fall.

 

[tikk10]

I forget which match it was, I commented at the time in the main thread but forget who it was against, that Nolf appeared to be offering a front headlock. Seen lots of guys offer a leg, Nolf often does it, but I never saw someone leave their head that vulnerable as bait.

 

[nitlion6]

It's not about the opponent, wrestle your best, he's human, puts his pants on one leg at a time, Coach Speak

Nolf has better pants.

 

[1AA]

The WWE watches Jason Nolf to get new moves

 

[NoVa Lion]

Roar and I were talking at the Scuffle about Jason's hand to the face. Rather than a fingers up, palm to the face, he is tending to turn his hand, and close his fingers in front of the guy's face. Roar thought maybe Jason was trying to block the opponents vision from what is coming next. Sounds reasonable to me. Any other ideas?

Of course, if I was wrestling him, I'd just close my own eyes, so he wouldn't have to bother.

I've seen Nolf do that before Sunday. He doesn't actually cover the guys eyes, his hand is just above the eyes. Very strange and I have NO idea what he is trying to do there. Maybe he wants the guy to grab his wrist. Other than that I got nothing.

 

[Cowbell Man]

I've seen Nolf do that before Sunday. He doesn't actually cover the guys eyes, his hand is just above the eyes. Very strange and I have NO idea what he is trying to do there. Maybe he wants the guy to grab his wrist. Other than that I got nothing.

Does it occur to anyone that his plan is to have the opponent spend time wondering the same thing? Stuff like that breaks concentration. And even a little break at the highest levels make a big difference.

I used to talk while wrestling. Not trash talk. Just talk. Believe me...I wasn’t thinking. But the other guy was. The refs didn’t care for it And said as much but I wasnt taunting. I was asking polite questions. Respond and I’m hitting a move quickly. Of course everyone could hear me too.

Incidentally....I’m still talking. Lol

 

[dms87]

Here is one informed perspective...no idea how you combat his pace. It is very hard to remain composed and not do something stupid if you are always feeling uncomfortable.

1. Cliff Fretwell‏@knarkill Nov 19
   Does DeSanto have the highest pace in college wrestling right now? @FloWrestling
   
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David Taylor‏Verified account@magicman_psu
Replying to @knarkill @FloWrestling
@jasonnolf wrestles the fastest pace I’ve ever felt. He makes fast people look not fast. He’s so fast. He’s the fastest kid alive.

 

[CowboyUp61]

I've seen Nolf do that before Sunday. He doesn't actually cover the guys eyes, his hand is just above the eyes. Very strange and I have NO idea what he is trying to do there. Maybe he wants the guy to grab his wrist. Other than that I got nothing.

He is being cheap, trying to pinch the bridge of the nose to make the other guys eyes water....

 

[El-Jefe]

Roar and I were talking at the Scuffle about Jason's hand to the face. Rather than a fingers up, palm to the face, he is tending to turn his hand, and close his fingers in front of the guy's face. Roar thought maybe Jason was trying to block the opponents vision from what is coming next. Sounds reasonable to me. Any other ideas?

Of course, if I was wrestling him, I'd just close my own eyes, so he wouldn't have to bother.

Actually, that is the better technique -- it creates good angles. For LH jabs, can push the opponent by the face either straight back or inward (toward 2:00) -- inward creates an angle to shoot at his outside (right) leg. Also much easier to catch the jaw or cheek with the palm for that inward push.

Fingers up only allows a push straight back. No inward leverage. Some outward (10:00) leverage but that creates an angle for the opponent to shoot at your outside (left) leg.

BTW Zain does this too.

 

[El-Jefe]

Does it occur to anyone that his plan is to have the opponent spend time wondering the same thing? Stuff like that breaks concentration. And even a little break at the highest levels make a big difference.

I used to talk while wrestling. Not trash talk. Just talk. Believe me...I wasn’t thinking. But the other guy was. The refs didn’t care for it And said as much but I wasnt taunting. I was asking polite questions. Respond and I’m hitting a move quickly. Of course everyone could hear me too.

Incidentally....I’m still talking. Lol

Back in HS, the rules said no talking permitted during the match. We never could figure out why that was in the rules. Makes a lot more sense now.

 

[RoarLions1]

Actually, that is the better technique -- it creates good angles. For LH jabs, can push the opponent by the face either straight back or inward (toward 2:00) -- inward creates an angle to shoot at his outside (right) leg. Much easier to catch the jaw or cheek with the palm for that inward push.

Fingers up only allows a push straight back. No inward leverage. Some outward (10:00) leverage but that creates an angle for the opponent to shoot at your outside (left) leg.

BTW Zain does this too.

Maybe, though it didn't appear to be the case. It honestly did look like Jason was simply obstructing his opponent's vision. "Can't catch what you can't see" kind of thing. No contact with the other guys forehead, face, etc., all within easy reach. Jmo...nothing more.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Back in HS, the rules said no talking permitted during the match. We never could figure out why that was in the rules. Makes a lot more sense now.

call it the Cowbell rule lol

 

[Cowbell Man]

Maybe, though it didn't appear to be the case. It honestly did look like Jason was simply obstructing his opponents vision. "Can't catch what you can't see" kind of thing. No contact with the other guys forehead, face, etc., all within easy reach. Jmo...nothing more.

I agree Roar. Much like grabbing the ankles at the whistle in down position. Seems to serve a psychological game...and lets face it...he's constantly playing one.

 

[minnhawkeye]

Now here is about the dumbest question on a message board to ask.
Nolf is just so dam good there really is no way a coach can really say much of anything. Just go wrestle your best and hope it can be enough.
Maybe after this season we can ask Kem-dag

 

[Dogwelder]

Nolf has better pants.

Space Pants!

 

[El-Jefe]

I don't post much but enjoy the board. What does an opposing coach say or do to get their wrestler prepared for Nolf?

Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery.

 

[James Toney]

Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery.

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