I didn't see anybody else mention this but it seems worth noting. Maybe back to the Scuffle or Midlands?
Collegiate Wrestling Duals (No PSU)
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PSU has a standing invitation to every tournament/event in the country.
Never heard of it. It must be way out west somewhere. We here in the Midwest don't go for that West coast stuff.
i'll have some details on it next show. Monday or Tuesday.
I would love to see this Penn State roster turned loose at an open tournament.
Think Sr Nationals may be weekend before? Assuming PSU will have quite a few enter.
I have enjoyed watching PSU wrestle good non conference teams.I didn't see anybody else mention this but it seems worth noting. Maybe back to the Scuffle or Midlands?
The Senior Nationals theory is better than my own pet theory that Cael is walking back his interest in support because the talk to add a dual component to the NCAA trophies has revived.
Ryan is chirping again.
“I mean, the dual meet got me into the sport,” Ryan said. “The dual meet is about the guy that’s not the superstar, who’s really good and saves a team to win because he doesn’t get pinned. I mean, that’s the dual meet ... "
So Tom thinks fans will flock to the sport so they can watch wrestlers turtle up for the team?
The National Duals didn't generate much interest when they were held a few ago. Why does he think it will be different now?
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Wish they could send the B team and still mop up. What would that lineup look like?
Maybe not his real motivation. Maybe he thinks it offers tOSU a greater chance at higher podium finishes for the Team Championship.
If this is the case, there is no need for him to think it will be different.
Remember, this is the same guy who had his son default directly to the backside at the NCAA Championships. That says everything about the degree integrity of a competition is important to him.
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Maybe if they do count duals towards the title, cael will still keep the team out, just to give others a chance.
Tom taught his son well.
Jake's 1st match against Nolf could have been offered as an instructional video on how to stall for 7 minutes without getting disqualified.
Default to the backside of the Big Ten championship in an effort to make the NCAAs.
Sadly most coaches support this because they are grasping at straws at this point to stay remotely close to PSU. They hope a fluke dual will get them a championship.
I believe so. As I recall, Tom was looking to get Nolf disqualified for an illegal move.
I mean, he has a point. The dual format can be really exciting for underdogs to save a team. Like in 2018 when Nevills stayed off his back against Snyder to eek out a win or in 2019 when OSU had their hammers Pletcher, McKenna, and Jordan lined up at the start to build a big lead and finally get over the hump against PSU and instead upstarts RBY, Lee, and Verk came out with a 6-3 lead to set up Nolf, Vinnie, and Hall to drop the hammer for the champs.
Nevills didn't "stay off his back to eke out a win." He got 2 takedowns against Snyder.
In Snyder's entire college career, IIRC the only other guys to score twice on him were both in the NCAA finals, Gadson and Gwiz.
Yeah…and one of my favorite parts of that match was late in the 3rd, Kyle and Nick were scrambling, and Cael was on his feet coaching Nick to go behind and get another TD. The team victory was secure if Nick just stayed away and didn’t get put to his back, but Cael was more interested in Nick wrestling through the position.
Just awesome!
Yes, yes, but he basically needed to stay off his back (or avoid 15 TDs for the TF) for the dual win.
125: Nasdeo
133: Davis
141: Evans
149: Kasak
157: Barraclough
165: Facundo
174: Kraeszig
184: Fricchione
197: Cochran
HWT: Hoopes
That would be a cool team to watch if they could do it without burning shirts. There are at least 4 guys on there who would be fairly likely to at least qualify for NCAAs (Nasdeo, Davis, Kasak, Facundo) and others with an outside shot.
Not sure, but if IIRC Snyder had to at least major Nevills and outscore him by 12 or 13 pts? Snyder didn't need a TF, a major would tie the team score and the criteria would've come down to match points.
Or, I could be misremembering.
Maybe Nov. 19. West Point. Black Knight Invitational. Not on Army's schedule yet, but assuming they do it again and invite Penn State again - and the Penn State wants to go. Competition level is a little weak (at least last year's was), so maybe the some of the top guys won't go, but it's a great opportunity to see the rest of the squad. Got a first look at Haines last year there. And, thank goodness, it's about an hour's drive for us.
Jason Nolf was so good, he should've been illegal.
That or the Journeyman tourney in Lancaster, if it's held again this year.
Would also like to see Lilledahl and Ryder at a college open.
So I looked it up. Bout score was 19-15 heading into the Snyder/Nevills match. Penn State had two advantages.
One, both teams had one TF. But PSU had two MDec to tOSU's one. If Snyder got a major, that would have evened things up. A TF would have won it for tOSU, making the final score 20-19 in tOSU's favor.
Two, the total points entering 285 were in Penn State's favor - 85 to 69 (btw, I've seen OkState/Iowa matches in the recent past where both teams combined for less than 100 points for the whole dual) for a 16 point PSU differential. So any MDec for Snyder couldn't make up the difference - even if he won by 14. The dual would have ended in a 19-19 tie, with PSU winning on total match points.
Therefore, only a TF or Fall could have won the match for tOSU. When Nevills got the first takedown, the significance was not lost on anyone. Since Snyder was basically going to win only by a takedown/release strategy, that meant the number of takedowns he had to get increased by two. Figure he had to get 14 takedowns with 13 escapes to get the TF. After Nevills got his first takedown, Snyder had to get 16 takedowns. When Nevills got his second takedown, it was just a delirious countdown for us PSU fans at the match.
I've been to a lot of sporting events over the years and seen many exciting ones. But that dual at Rec Hall is far and away the best.
Cael didn't send Nick out to turtle up; he sent him out to wrestle.
Campbell, on the other hand, was sent out to do a Jake Ryan impression.
A big difference between those two matches.
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