Corbett, PSU "Cover Up" & where that narrative came from
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Well, the elephant in the room that doesn't make sense about your theory in my opinion is the fact that an investigator, let alone the highest Law Enforcement Office in the entire State with unlimited authority over an NPO, wouldn't go immediately to The Second Mile's headquarters and look at the records to see what other children the charity was allowing Sandusky unsupervised access to especially children that he was repeatedly spending time with unsupervised. Of course the first thing an investigator of a suspected serial pedophile would be to look for additional victims and other pedophiles in the "network" and relative to the "modus operandi". This raises the other massive "red flag" as to Corbett's corruption and throwing of this investigation - Corbett didn't bring in the experts within his own OAG on "systematic" CSA like what Sandusky was doing using philanthropy as a cover and shield - e.g., the Child Predator Special Investigative Unit - which Corbett was quite familiar with as he founded the group during his first stint as AG when appointed to the position by Tom Ridge in the late 1990s to replace corrupt GOP AG Ernie Preate who was prosecuted and sent to jail.
It is quite clear that Corbett threw this investigation - what is less clear is why he would do such a thing after the DPW found Sandusky guilty as charged regarding V1's allegations and formal complaint registered through the Clinton County CYS Office and banned The Second Mile from their jurisdiction. Why would the AG protect a pedophile and his fraudulent charity that he was using as an instrument of his pedophilia? Now that is some baffling and staggering crap right there! Whatever explains the most powerful LE Office in the State acting in this manner, it can't be good.
Gents, no need for arguing about it....
According to the Moulton Report, when the Pennsylvania State Police called PSU to find out if there were any police records pertaining to Sandusky, the Deputy Director of Police immediately found the file and turned it over.
From page 65:
January 2011
On January 3, 2011, Cpl. Joseph A. Leiter and Tpr. Rossman went to the office of the
Deputy Director of the Penn State Police Department, and asked for copies of all criminal reports
relating to Sandusky. They did so independent of the grand jury subpoena issued the week
before, even though their request was at least partially covered by the subpoena. The Deputy
Director gave them a report that, like the information provided by McQueary, lent considerable
support to the belief that Sandusky had victimized others besides A.F. 124 On or about the same
day, Tpr. Rossman and Cpl. Leiter went to the State College Police Department, which has
jurisdiction over College Township where Sandusky lived, and asked for all incident reports
referencing Sandusky. In addition to reports in which Sandusky was a witness or possible
victim, they received a report relating to the 1998 investigation, in which the State College police
had provided assistance to the Penn State police.
From page 113: Cpl. Leiter and Tpr. Rossman obtained the 1998 report on January 3, 2011, before the investigation receivedadditional resources, simply by asking the Deputy Director of the Penn State Police Department for any police reports related to Sandusky
If Corbett's assertion that the AG needed a grand jury to prove a cover-up was true, then the outcome for the former one-term governor is even worse
By
Ray Blehar
For Corbett, if his statement was true
then he confessed to foot-dragging.
While the official facts in evidence refute former Pennsylvania Attorney General (AG) and former Governor Tom Corbett's statement about needing a grand jury to coerce testimony and prove a cover-up, the irony is that if his statement was true, it is an admission of not investigating a cover up and/or foot-dragging on the investigation for political reasons.
Read more.
P.S. Adlee73 & Aoshiro...I think this might sum things up...until I finish Part II
By
Ray Blehar
For Corbett, if his statement was true
then he confessed to foot-dragging.
While the official facts in evidence refute former Pennsylvania Attorney General (AG) and former Governor Tom Corbett's statement about needing a grand jury to coerce testimony and prove a cover-up, the irony is that if his statement was true, it is an admission of not investigating a cover up and/or foot-dragging on the investigation for political reasons.
Read more.
P.S. Adlee73 & Aoshiro...I think this might sum things up...until I finish Part II
If Corbett's assertion that the AG needed a grand jury to prove a cover-up was true, then the outcome for the former one-term governor is even worse
By
Ray Blehar
For Corbett, if his statement was true
then he confessed to foot-dragging.
While the official facts in evidence refute former Pennsylvania Attorney General (AG) and former Governor Tom Corbett's statement about needing a grand jury to coerce testimony and prove a cover-up, the irony is that if his statement was true, it is an admission of not investigating a cover up and/or foot-dragging on the investigation for political reasons.
Read more.
P.S. Adlee73 & Aoshiro...I think this might sum things up...until I finish Part II
Thanks. The actions & words of Fina & Eshbach's explanation for the Jan 2010 subpoena would suggest the latter that they suspected on some level a cover up & yet for some reason didn't follow up on it till late 2010 which coincides with them not looking at Sandusky's computer & waiting on TSM subpoenas till much later. I have to wonder if Eshbach assumed they'd already checked those departments like she assumed they did with CYS, that she was the maverick, the one not involved with sweeping it under the rug & when she gets word of the McQueary tip she begins to force Fina & Corbett's hand.
I wonder if they were only aware of Centre County's involvement with 1998 at first & weren't told of the other department's involvement. It might explain them not checking with the other departments in 2009 but still how lazy that would be of them. I don't think you can cut it any way without concluding gross negligence. Thanks for the info.
That's why 1998 is important. If they knew about 98 as soon as 2009 then there's no excuse for how long they dragged their feet unless they thought only Centre County investigated 98. There's some terrible negligence going on there somewhere.
Hold on though. Fina's response to the Moulton criticisms actually supports my theory:
The 1998 police report at Penn State:
Moulton and Kane said it was a bad oversight to not get the '98 Penn State police file on an allegation about Sandusky showering with a boy in a campus locker room at the outset of the probe, because it would yield direct or indirect leads to three additional Sandusky victims.
The report suggests that investigators received that report upon request in January 2011.
Moulton writes: "(PSP Trooper Scott) Rossman obtained the 1998 report on Jan. 3, 2011, before the investigation received additional resources, simply by asking the deputy director of the Penn State Police Department for any police reports related to Sandusky."
Fina contended that lost in that description is the fact that Penn State police had stashed the report - Sandusky was not charged at the time - away in an administrative file, so it never showed up through earlier reviews of normal investigative channels.
It was only when investigators received a specific tip about the '98 probe in the fall of 2010, including several pages from the case file, that they knew to press Penn State police for the missing records, Fina said.
Moulton's report includes Fina's information about the report in a footnote.
But Fina insisted Monday that Penn State's handling of the 1998 report would prove to be a key spark to the idea that university officials might have engaged in a cover-up of Sandusky-related information.
"Now the investigation's different," Fina said. "It's not just getting the report... against Sandusky, but it's looking into what the hell is really going on at Penn State."
Frank Fina is a liar.
Where, in the Moulton Report, does it show that the PSP or OAG investigators searched for criminal investigative files at PSU? IT DOESN'T.
What does the Moulton Report show? That the OAG investigators spent all of their time, from May 2009 to October 2010, relying on Aaron Fisher to provide them with leads. In fact, the Moulton Report shows that the OAG never bothered to circle back to talk to Clinton County CYS until July 2011.
According to Frank Noonan, the PSP's FIRST request for the police files occurred in late November 2010. Noonan alleged that both the PSU police and the SCPD told them there were no investigative files. However, the request asked for files from the previous 10 years, thus the 1998 report was outside the scope.
Fina then goes on to say that they got a tip on the 1998 report. Given Fina's track record of deceptions -- the Superior Court admonished him for being deceptive about his questioning of Baldwin and I am sure that he fabricated the 1984 incident at PSU as a means of justifying a "broader search" (his words) for emails prior to 1997 -- I have no confidence he was truthful about suspecting a PSU cover-up.
Ray, post you new read on the board....like reading a suspense novel
Corbett's Grand Jury Lie, Part 2
Corbett's Grand Jury Lie, Part 2
Where in the Moulton report does it say they knew about 2001 prior to the Houser tip? Yet you just recently theorized that. Eshbach uses the same sentiment as Fina when Moulton asked her why the delay to subpoena CYS. She said she assumed their investigators had already talked to them. Then there's the Jan 2010 subpoena cited by Moulton in which Eshbach's explanation looks very indicative the PSU cover up narrative they later used. Factor in the evidence they were told at least a little bit about 98 as early as June 2009 or more likely even earlier via Mark Smith and you got a bunch of opportunistic prosecutors thinking there may be an even bigger fish than Sandusky out there & it makes sense why they may've held off Fisher's case while looking for that big fish. But obviously we know that big fish was a myth so that's why they couldn't find their cover up right away. They had to fabricate one & only when they had that did they get serious about prosecuting Sandusky. You say Fina's a liar & I'm sure he's lied alot. But he also said Joe wasn't involved in a cover up so sometimes Fina tells the truth & sometimes he mixes truth & lies. If Fina totally lied in his response to the Moulton criticism then where's Kane busting him on it? Seems if he lied about that she could probably disprove it easily.
For the record though, I actually like your theory about them knowing about 2001 early on. Earliest I can date them possibly finding 2001 was in Sep 2009 when Sassano asks CYS for files. He may've been digging for the 98 files & lucked upon the 2001 file he mentions seeing. But I haven't found much connecting OAG & 2001 prior to that. It certainly warrants more digging.
Of course, if they found a CYS report from the 2001 incident, the whole C/S/S cover-up / non-reporting theory goes kablooey. Big fat oops for OG BOT and Emmert and Delaney and, of course, Corbett.... "Huh. How about that? Well, never mind then. Maybe Joe was mildly acceptable after all. Move on."
As I wrote earlier, significant GOP/Corbett donors from The Second Mile were aware of the 2001 incident. Corbett may have learned about it from them or from elements of the Centre County government.
If Fina's contention is true, that they searched for the 98 file earlier than early 2011 but couldn't find it bc it was labeled admin then wouldn't the person he should target for "covering up" be Tom Harmon? Yet for some reason fina went after CSS who had nothing to do with that and were getting cliff notes about the 98 investigation from Harmon. Harmon told Schultz 98 was found to be not criminal, no big deal.
Harmon is a key figure in this whole mess (there's circumstancal evidence and most likely email evidence he was told about 01 as well) and the OAG treated him with kid gloves so they could push their evil athletetic dept BS narrative.
I guess there's a good reason Harmon supposedly signed a proffer letter.
Harmon is a key figure in this whole mess (there's circumstancal evidence and most likely email evidence he was told about 01 as well) and the OAG treated him with kid gloves so they could push their evil athletetic dept BS narrative.
I guess there's a good reason Harmon supposedly signed a proffer letter.
That is nonsense. What "earlier reviews" what "investigative channels?" Where is the evidence of any such requests. Hint: NEVER HAPPENED.
It didn't matter how that file was labelled because the OAG never asked for it until at least 2010.
The truth is they were using the GJ to stonewall Aaron Fisher and they only decided to pursue the case when Corbett told them to "prove" there was a cover up at Penn State so he could get rid of Spanier.
It's as simple as that.
You are correct.
WeR0206 also is correct. If Fina believed the mislabeling of the 1998 report was nefarious, then Harmon should have been among the first people who was dragged down to the grand jury.
Oh, yeah. And that sad part about your statement is that so many alumni chose to sit on the sidelines and "wait for the trial" rather than STAND UP for PSU.
But is there a meeting or fundraiser or something directly putting those TSM people with Corbett prior to May 2009?
Where's your evidence proving this: "The truth is they were using the GJ to stonewall Aaron Fisher and they only decided to pursue the case when Corbett told them to "prove" there was a cover up at Penn State so he could get rid of Spanier."
It's not in the Moulton report that specifically states they found no evidence of that. Yet you wanna apply that standard to my theory while I've presented statements from those directly involved in the case & even from the Moulton report. Quite the double standard.
So please do explain why Corbett didn't assign his "Child Predator Special Investigative Unit" to the V1, Aaron Fisher's case, which landed on AG Corbett's Desk in March 2009 (some 3 to 4 months before even asking for a SWIGJ) and INCLUDED all of the casework from AG Corbett's "parallel Regulator", the Pennsylvania DPW, who had just found Sandusky and his own personal charity, The Second Mile, GUILTY AS CHARGED in the Formal Complaint of Child Sexual Abuse filed by Aaron Fisher with the Clinton County CYS Office on November 28, 2008 (after Central Mountain High School refused to take his complaint). Sandusky was only at CMHS via the Clinton County CYS Office's Approval - they had approved for The Second Mile to work with Children in the County via various programs including within schools in the Clinton County School District - The Second Mile had so many programs in Clinton County that the Clinton County CYS Office created and funded a "Second Mile Coordinator" in their office dedicated to manage all of the TSM Programs in the County. Sandusky being a Volunteer Football Coach on the CMHS Staff (since 2002) as well as a Volunteer "Guidance Counselor" at CMHS with full access to students without parental permission was only two of The Second Mile "Programs" being formally "Coordinated" through the Clinton County CYS Office. So very clearly AG Corbett KNEW DEFINITIVELY that Sandusky was working SYSTEMATICALLY THROUGH THE SECOND MILE to gain access to children for the purpose of grooming them for, and ultimately committing, CSA - Corbett unquestionably knew all of these facts pertaining to the Aaron Fisher case when it - VIA THE CYS COMPLAINT, DPW INVESTIGATION and DPW "JUDICIARY FINDING":OF GUILTY - landed upon his desk in MARCH 2009 and yet he didn't assign his "Child Predator Special Investigative Unit" which specializes in investigating serial pedophiles using "systematic approaches" to access and groom children such as Sandusky was doing through The Second Mile and the various DPW County-Level CYS Offices. Why would he not have the Child Predator Unit work the case along with SWIGJ which was convened well after the case landed on AG Corbett's desk - that makes no sense! Why would you not even pay a visit to The Second Mile to see what other potential victims Sandusky accessed via TSM and their programs which were simply cover to provide access for Sandusky's grooming and ultimately CSA? That makes no sense! Your "explanations" provide zero answers for these absurdities and therefore clearly fail "Ocamm's Razor".
I'm in no way approving Corbett's decisions. That said some statements you made were simply false. Sandusky was not pronounced guilty as charged by the DPW. They clearly don't have that power. He was" indicated" by then DPW. That means they found substantial evidence that alleged abuse existed. Corbett gave his reasons for not using his preditor unit. That said Eshbach was prosecutor who made her name prosecuting child sex offenders & Sassano had experience investigating CSA, specifically one case involving Aaron Fisher's uncle who had accused a doctor of molestation. If Corbett was telling the truth that they suspected a cover up which was part of the reason they used a Grand Jury then that explains why Fina and other's with experience investigating cover ups were involved. If you look at it as Corbett being more fixated on uncovering a potential cover up than prosecuting Sandusky it makes more sense why they dragged their feet. Not wanting to tip off their cover up targets or even possible giving certain "friends" time to burn the evidence. Massive conspiracy theories are always the farthest thing from Occam's razor because so many people have to be in on it. Saying that Corbett mixed cover up investigators with CSA investigators & pointing to several pieces of evidence supporting the idea that they suspected a cover up in 2009 involves far less speculation and for more direct evidence supporting it.
Too much, you're the one "creating circumstances" and "events" THAT DID NOT EXIST to make your "scenario" plausible to the timeline - the very ACTIONS that clearly violate "Occam's Razor"!
First of all, the complaint that Aaron Fisher filed with the Clinton County CYS Office against Sandusky and his charity The Second Mile alleged NOTHING in regards to PSU - didn't even MENTION PSU! (and the DPW absolutely did end up having an Official "Judiciary Hearing" on the complaint and found in Aaron Fisher's Complaint's favor and AGAINST Sandusky and The Second Mile! BTW, they did more than just "Indicate" Sandusky, which is what a "guilty finding" within their "Judicial Process" is called - they banned The Second Mile from Clinton County and shutdown the permanent "TSM Coordinator" positon at Clinton County CYS!). Complete NONSENSE that AG Corbett suspected a "cover-up" at PSU when Aaron Fisher's Formal CYS Complaint and DPW Investigation had ABSOLUTELY ZERO TO DO WITH PSU let alone a "possible cover-up at PSU" or any basis to suspect anything in regards to PSU. If the OAG was going to look into a "cover-up" regarding any school or school administrators, they would have investigated the FAILURE TO REPORT VIOLATIONS by senior administrators at CMHS who refused to report Aaron Fisher's complaint multiple times despite being MANDATORY REPORTERS under CPS Law! Guess what Mr. Occam's Razor, they didn't even go speak with CMHS regarding their blatantly breaking the law (also repeatedly put kids into Sandusky's unsupervised custody off school grounds without parental permission - another clear violation of policy that they would want to cover-up to avoid prosecution)?!?!?!
Secondly, you blithely IGNORE the fact that the OAG was MANDATED TO INVESTIGATE THE SECOND MILE for "NPO Mission Fraud" under their mandate of both "Consumer Protection" and "Child Abuse Protection" (e.g., the OAG's "Child Predator Special Investigative Unit") once the DPW/CYS Complaint, Investigation and Conviction of V1, Aaron Fisher's, CSA Complaint were prosecuted and alleged the FRAUDULENT use of the charity for the purposes of accessing and grooming children for the purposes of Child Sexual Assault by the FOUNDER and most powerful CONTROL PERSON of the charity who was the party alleged in the Aaron Fisher case! Again, not AG Corbett's "choice" as to whether he thinks TSM should be investigated, but the Commonwealth OBLIGATED MANDATE of the OAG to investigate the fraudulent charity at the point where he becomes aware of the circumstances of DPW/CYS's Formal Conviction Report of their Formal Investigation and Judicial Hearing Process related to V1, Aaron Fisher's, Formal CYS-filed Complaint of 11/28/2008 which was put into the hands of the OAG in MARCH 2009, some 3 to 4 months before the OAG even convened the SWIGJ.
If anybody is twisting facts to fit their timeline relative to "suspecting a cover-up at PSU" in gross violation of "Occam's Razor", it is you my friend, not me!
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Sassano investigated JUST ONE other CSA case in his career -- he was not an "experienced" CSA investigator. Moreover, the state police assigned to the case were not experienced at investigating CSA cases.
Fina didn't get involved until the Sandusky investigation turned into a "cover-up" investigation in October 2010. He was Eshbach's supervisor and acted in that role until it was time to "use the playbook."
Please don't twist my words. I said Sassano had experience investigating CSA , specifically one involving Fisher's uncle. This very likely played a part in him being assigned to the case. Fina was the one who decided to involve a Grand Jury in May 2009 that Corbett claimed was partly done to investigate a possible cover up. Instead of arguing maybe we should be looking into this to see if there's more to it. I've heard from several people saying investigators were going around asking questions, people who the Moulton report never mentions. Also I'd be interested if you can dig up more evidence connecting OAG to knowledge of the 2001 incident. This would certainly be an interesting alternative theory. Happy hunting. : )
Sassano was involved in the Dr. Barry Bender sex for drugs case in which Dawn Fisher's brother was an accuser.
And that is where Sandusky's phone number kept popping up? I am not privy to the specifics of the drug investigation.
I don't believe that's the same case with Sandusky's phone number. Jmmy probably has info on that case.
The case you're referring to is a steroid investigation that took place in 2009. Sassano was doing cross-referencing on numbers that his suspects had called. The system connects the people listed to those numbers with any police files that may exist on them. Because Sandusky's investigation was being kept on file, Sassano got a hit on Sandusky & was able to see the Aaron Fisher case on Sandusky. From there we know very little as far as if that is why he was assigned or if Sassano remembered Aaron's uncle's case & figured out they were related. But it would certainly seem to make a heck of alot more sense that Sassano's connection to Aaron's uncle's case is why he was assigned to Aaron's case.
I can't speak with any knowledge of Aaron's uncle's case. I think it is safe to assume that he is also the one who investigated TSM leak in 2010.
That's the thing about the Moulton report, people were being talked to by investigators that weren't mentioned in the report for sure. Some things just didn't make it in.
I consider the Moulton Report to be nothing more than window dressing, of no significance to me at all. One step up from the Abraham Report.
