CSS, and the Paterno suit

[lionlurker]

Since this has all come up again lately, I've been wondering about something. Does the fact that CSS remain muzzled due to their indictments affect the Paterno suit at all? Would they have meaningful information that would warrant being deposed by Sollers and his guys? And then, would they not have to be deposed due to their current legal situation?

I guess what I am wondering is, is there any reason to suspect that CSS will remain under indictment until after the Paterno suit is over, in order to keep them unavailable to Sollers?

Any opinions on that?

 

[Zenophile]

You said the magic words.

 

[NittPicker]

CSS may be muzzled publicly but I'd venture a guess there has been a lot of back channel communication between their attorneys and Sollers. Maybe not discussions of specific legal strategies but general talk about which rocks to look under wouldn't surprise me.

 

[pandaczar12]

Are you trying to get the astro-turfers some overtime pay?

 

[lionlurker]

Ha. Not really. But I keep trying to figure out a reason for why they remain under indictment, when it's clear that they will never be tried. There must be a reason.

 

[bjf1991]

Ha. Not really. But I keep trying to figure out a reason for why they remain under indictment, when it's clear that they will never be tried. There must be a reason.

Paterno V NCAA would be essentially "starting" in 2012........at which time CSS had already be exiled from PSU......
So, I would think any issues along those lines would be a stretch


Paterno V NCAA is not structured to get into the actions of PSU, or all the shit that went down from 2000 whatever through Novemeber 2011....... It is structured to get at "defemation" type issues for shit that happened after that

 

[NICNEM_PSU80]

You betcha! CSS won't get out from under this until JS either loses his appeal or he is retried. After that they will likely withdraw the rest of the charges. Then the Paterno suit and the Spanier suit will proceed.

 

[coveydidnt]

What do the Paterno's seek at this point other than $$money$$

 

[redbyrds]

They will never be indicted or jailed.

They will never speak of what they know.

We will never know the whole story unfortunately because it is to their advantage that Joe & BOT take all the blame/heat in the court of public opinion..

 

[mathprof]

What do the Paterno's seek at this point other than $$money$$

An apology.

 

[marshall23]

An apology.

That is 100%.

 

[NittPicker]

What do the Paterno's seek at this point other than $$money$$

From the beginning the Paternos have stated their main goal is to expose the truth. Nobody with a brain can claim that has happened. As for money, the Paternos have stated the net proceeds of any money they may receive will be donated to charity so implying the are only seeking money is totally wrong.

 

[coveydidnt]

From the beginning the Paternos have stated their main goal is to expose the truth. Nobody with a brain can claim that has happened. As for money, the Paternos have stated the net proceeds of any money they may receive will be donated to charity so implying the are only seeking money is totally wrong.

Have they sued TSM? How csn they possibly get to the truth?

Net proceeds? You mean after all attorney's fees and costs? How likely is it there will be any net proceeds?

Apology? If they got an apology from Emmert today, would they drop the suit?

 

[CvilleLion]

Have they sued TSM? How csn they possibly get to the truth?

Net proceeds? You mean after all attorney's fees and costs? How likely is it there will be any net proceeds?

Apology? If they got an apology from Emmert today, would they drop the suit?

Just out of curiosity, what standing would the Paternos have in a suit against TSM? Civil suits are for damages, not for "truth". TSM didn't terminate or disparage Joe Paterno, so I'm not seeing the basis for a lawsuit.

 

[Bob78]

Have they sued TSM? How csn they possibly get to the truth?

Net proceeds? You mean after all attorney's fees and costs? How likely is it there will be any net proceeds?

Apology? If they got an apology from Emmert today, would they drop the suit?

There's a long line of people who need to apologize to the Paternos. If we line 'em up alphabetically, Emmert would be closer to the front of the line. Once we get through those apologies and the accompanying media tour and have someone tell us what really happened to lay this at JVP's feet (or we can wait for the document review to embarrass those folks), then they may be willing to consider dropping the suit.
Just my opinion.

 

[marshall23]

What do the Paterno's seek at this point other than $$money$$

I hope your worthless head on a spear.

 

[coveydidnt]

I hope your worthless head on a spear.

Nice. Except that I'm almost certainly a bigger fan of Joe than most people here. I just have an independent brain, too.

 

[lionlurker]

We'll be the judge of that.

 

[marshall23]

Nice. Except that I'm almost certainly a bigger fan of Joe than most people here. I just have an independent brain, too.

With your head on a spear. it will truly be independent.

 

[Nitt1300]

I'm increasingly convinced that we'll never see 50% of the real story

 

[francofan]

You betcha! CSS won't get out from under this until JS either loses his appeal or he is retried. After that they will likely withdraw the rest of the charges. Then the Paterno suit and the Spanier suit will proceed.

I agree that CSS remain muzzled more to protect the state's case against JS as opposed to the Paterno's suit. It is my understanding that CSS and their lawyers all know that JS got railroaded and that the case against JS is weak. Once the CSS cases are resolved, CSS will be free to speak without any concerns regarding legal liability and I believe they will be anxious to tell their side of the story which IMO will only help JS's appeal.

I don't believe the state will be able to delay the proceeding until JS either loses his PCRA appeal or is retried. A replacement judge for Cleland needs to be named and then there likely will be more hearings. Whether or not the new judge rules for a new trial or not, the verdict will undoubtedly be appealed to Superior and/or the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. IMO, it will be at least 2018 and maybe longer before it is resolved.

I hope that the CSS cases get resolved in 2017. With Josh Shapiro already sworn in as the new attorney general, there is a good chances that we might see some movement soon.

 

[francofan]

I'm increasingly convinced that we'll never see 50% of the real story

I disagree. I believe the real story will one day become common knowledge. Too many people know what actually happened. It may take a long time, perhaps 10 years or longer; but IMO the truth will eventually be known.

 

[Nitt1300]

I disagree. I believe the real story will one day become common knowledge. Too many people know what actually happened. It may take a long time, perhaps 10 years or longer; but IMO the truth will eventually be known.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong

 

[psu7113]

What do the Paterno's seek at this point other than $$money$$

The lawsuit has never been about money or wins, but rather a vehicle by which to attempt to bring forth the truth.

 

[LundyPSU]

I disagree. I believe the real story will one day become common knowledge. Too many people know what actually happened. It may take a long time, perhaps 10 years or longer; but IMO the truth will eventually be known.

The truth may come out, but it will not be recognized.

 

[francofan]

The truth may come out, but it will not be recognized.

The truth is already out, but it is not yet recognized. It will take time before it is recognized.

 

[LundyPSU]

The truth is already out, but it is not yet recognized. It will take time before it is recognized.

And the truth is what then and according to whom?

 

[bjf1991]

The lawsuit has never been about money or wins, but rather a vehicle by which to attempt to bring forth the truth.

That's all fine, well and good.
And a wonderful Fable of Hope.
I am sure that is what all parties (aside from the Defendants, of course) would WANT TO see happen


But - alas - you can't "bring forth the truth" in a lawsuit that doesn't establish standing in any of those areas where the "darkness" resides.
Bugger that, eh?


That suit can get into:

- What the NCAA leadership did vav "disparagement" (or whatever term you want to use) of JVP post-November 2011

- And it can get into who at PSU.....Maybe who at Freeh's Group..... may have been in "cahoots" with the NCAA - - - but only so far as those "cahoots" are directly related to "JVP disparagement" ( for lack of a better term). There's that "bugger" again




That hogwash being peddled to the masses -by the likes of Jale Corman (and Tom Poole and the rest of those dick-touchers)......
Namely that:

"We moved the ball to the one yard line......now the Paterno suit will punch it into the end zone"?

What a load of crap - dished out to the desperate - and served their purposes (Jake and the Boys) superbly
Hell, it is STILL working


[BTW - LionLurker, please note I did not make ONE reference to A9......even though they had a role to play on that last part. I'm trying to take your comment to heart, and trying to be nicer.......How am I doing? ]

 

[francofan]

And the truth is what then and according to whom?

I believe the truth is that MM did not witness a sexual assault in the Lasch building shower based on the words and actions of MM and AM.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

An apology.

That, and Emmert to self-castrate himself on national TV.

 

[Legion of Lions]

I believe the truth is that MM did not witness a sexual assault in the Lasch building shower based on the words and actions of MM and AM.

Other than the OAG "version" of MM's "Testimony", NO ONE supports any sexual activity seen by MM. This also means no CREDIBLE (legal) reason existed to even SUSPECT that sexual improprieties happened in 2001.

To prove that the "overt sexual" (even an implied sexual) version is an outright fabrication, you only need to look at
(1) the direct testimony of MM's Father, Drainov, C/S/S - Including his GIRL FRIEND at the time AND....if that were not enough.....the "victim" himself refutes anything sexual in the shower at Penn State in 2001 - AND-
(2) the reaction AT THE TIME (2001) by everyone who MM spoke to.

These two bits of evidence disprove CONCLUSIVELY the entire OAG case. This leaves us with only one possible fact remaining......The overall activities of the OAG and courts have been constructed for some motive OTHER THAN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.

SOMETHING HAS BEEN WRONG HERE since day one! These consistent PA government actions involving evidence tampering, major court irregularities (liberties) and MORE......all create a MAJOR crime unto itself.

This is NOT speculation....it is FACT!

 

[MtNittany]

Tomorrow would be a perfect day for the paoag to finally accept reality. Talk about a news dump day.

 

[roswelllion]

Have they sued TSM? How csn they possibly get to the truth?

Net proceeds? You mean after all attorney's fees and costs? How likely is it there will be any net proceeds?

Apology? If they got an apology from Emmert today, would they drop the suit?

IMO
A repudiation of the Freeh report and an apology by Emmett that said "we instituted sanctions based on a report by Freeh that has now been shown to be totally flawed and furthermore based on what now know Joe Paterno acted appropriately in his reporting on this incident. Based on this flawed report we apologize to the Paterno family"

I would say that might do it

 

[coveydidnt]

IMO
A repudiation of the Freeh report and an apology by Emmett that said "we instituted sanctions based on a report by Freeh that has now been shown to be totally flawed and furthermore based on what now know Joe Paterno acted appropriately in his reporting on this incident. Based on this flawed report we apologize to the Paterno family"

I would say that might do it

I agree, along with paying legal costs thru that point.

However, it wouldn't satisfy many of this board's loudest voices, as the depositions would be sealed forever.

 

[Aloha T]

Nice. Except that I'm almost certainly a bigger fan of Joe than most people here. I just have an independent brain, too.

Of what is it independent, pray tell?

 

[BobPSU92]

That, and Emmert to self-castrate himself on national TV.

 

[BBrown]

Since this has all come up again lately, I've been wondering about something. Does the fact that CSS remain muzzled due to their indictments affect the Paterno suit at all? Would they have meaningful information that would warrant being deposed by Sollers and his guys? And then, would they not have to be deposed due to their current legal situation?

I guess what I am wondering is, is there any reason to suspect that CSS will remain under indictment until after the Paterno suit is over, in order to keep them unavailable to Sollers?

Any opinions on that?

Oh boy. Not only did you just set off the "Caterwauling Charm" you didn't even attempt to hide it. LOL.
The Death Eaters arrive in 3....2....1...

 

[BBrown]

What do the Paterno's seek at this point other than $$money$$

JMO but it was never about money. I feel pretty confident saying that.

 

[artsandletters]

What do the Paterno's seek at this point other than $$money$$

You are such a crass ass.

 

[KnightSlayer]

In olden times, this would have already been settled. Our football program put their fate in the hands of the Gods and settled it through Trial by Combat. They hit us with program killing sanctions and our team responded with ZERO losing seasons, a Big Ten title, a top ten finish and a top ten recruiting class for 2017. The Gods have spoken.