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David Corley could be a shortimer at PSU

I must be in the minority here - I think he has been a major downgrade from Gattis. Our receivers have taken a significant step back this season, specifically with drops.

While a talented coach, he is a step down from Gattis, as most coaches would be. I'm not qualified to blame WR issues or dropped balls on him. JF will make that call.
 
I must be in the minority here - I think he has been a major downgrade from Gattis. Our receivers have taken a significant step back this season, specifically with drops.
So guys that were with Gattis for 3 years that can't catch the ball consistently are Corley's fault? Hamler and Pat F seem to be fine and they barely sniffed Gattis....just saying you cannot have it both ways. Now I know Bowen coaches TE's, but Polk, JJ, and DT all had years under Gattis. None were ever consistent threats but would make the occasional circus catch. You cannot coach hands and focus. These guys are in their own heads regardless of the coaching IMO...at least that is my take.
 
So guys that were with Gattis for 3 years that can't catch the ball are Corley's fault. Hamler and Pat F seem to be fine and they barely sniffed Gattis....just saying you cannot have it both ways.

There's been issues with separation too. Thompkins/Johnson didn't have issues with drops and separation under Gattis. Who has Corley recruited? Simmons and Dunmore were both recruited by Seider.

If Corley left, no big deal in my opinion. I think CJF brings in an upgrade if it were to happen.
 
There's been issues with separation too. Thompkins/Johnson didn't have issues with drops and separation under Gattis. Who has Corley recruited? Simmons and Dunmore were both recruited by Seider.

If Corley left, no big deal in my opinion. I think CJF brings in an upgrade if it were to happen.
Huhh, JJ had one TD catch last year. They both had drop issues last year as did Polk and Charles. Let's not re-write history here. So in your world they forgot 3 years of coaching in 8 months....got it. I see a frosh getting separation somehow. I have also see Thompkins create separation with no issues only to drop the ball. The drops are mental just as the OSU ones were. This offense is one of the better ones around in spite of these mental lapses. Whether or not Corley stays or goes isn't my concern, but blaming him for mental lapses is a bit of a joke to me....sorry but it is. Did Corely teach JJ to make the circus catch? Of course not. What do you think he is teaching differently.....be specific. Do you think he is saying precision doesn't matter in route running? Catch with your chest versus your hands. Don't block downfield?

Gattis was a fun young energetic recruiter for sure. But we can stop pretending he was some irreplaceable legend as a WR coach. Recruiting, we'll see....but right now I like where Corley sits for Flemming versus Gattis who was on him much longer.
 
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So guys that were with Gattis for 3 years that can't catch the ball consistently are Corley's fault? Hamler and Pat F seem to be fine and they barely sniffed Gattis....just saying you cannot have it both ways. Now I know Bowen coaches TE's, but Polk, JJ, and DT all had years under Gattis. None were ever consistent threats but would make the occasional circus catch. You cannot coach hands and focus. These guys are in their own heads regardless of the coaching IMO...at least that is my take.

Yea I don't blame the drops on the WR coach at all. Thats all on the players.
What is concerning to me though is Thompkins being completely MIA in 2 entire games.
The other area is getting open. Hipp and Hammy were the only ones I saw that were beating their guys. I really thought JJ would be able to manhandle his guy. OSU was right in their face on the LOS.
Pat F. is by far exceeding anything I thought we would get at TE. But I think Tyler Bowen would be more responsible for the Pat's development than Corley.
 
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Huhh, JJ had one TD catch last year. They both had drop issues last year as did Polk and Charles. Let's not re-write history here. So in your world they forgot 3 years of coaching in 8 months....got it.
Corley is also the primary recruiter for Top-100 receiver David Bell, who we are the current favorite for.
 
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I must be in the minority here - I think he has been a major downgrade from Gattis. Our receivers have taken a significant step back this season, specifically with drops.

IMHO the drops fall on the players, not the coach. It isn't like Gattis had a toolbox full of special secret drills he used to get the kids to perform. I'd be willing to bet a good chunk of money Corley is doing the same things with them. Now, if the players were continuously running the wrong routes and/or refusing to block, that would be a different matter and fall on the coach.
 
Huhh, JJ had one TD catch last year. They both had drop issues last year as did Polk and Charles. Let's not re-write history here. So in your world they forgot 3 years of coaching in 8 months....got it. I see a frosh getting separation somehow. I have also see Thompkins create separation with no issues only to drop the ball. The drops are mental just as the OSU ones were. This offense is one of the better ones around in spite of these mental lapses. Whether or not Corley stays or goes isn't my concern, but blaming him for mental lapses is a bit of a joke to me....sorry but it is. Did Corely teach JJ to make the circus catch? Of course not. What do you think he is teaching differently.....be specific. Do you think he is saying precision doesn't matter in route running? Catch with your chest versus your hands. Don't block downfield?

Gattis was a fun young energetic recruiter for sure. But we can stop pretending he was some irreplaceable legend as a WR coach. Recruiting, we'll see....but right now I like where Corley sits for Flemming versus Gattis who was on him much longer.

I don't remember drops being an issue for JJ last year.
But you are correct about Polk.
 
I don't remember drops being an issue for JJ last year.
But you are correct about Polk.
JJ had some drops last year as did DT. Drops are a part of the game. OSU had 4-5 the other night as well. Sometimes it a tough catch and we all get that. Mac H had one the other night, but it was a sidearm throw coming at a funny angle....still a good WR should grab that.

JJ is dropping routine balls that are very routine. Just like Mike G used to. Catching the ball is mental and sometimes WR's just start to overthink every play instead of just playing football. Hell remember Charles in the BT title game...2 super easy out patterns that were gimmes...back to back he dropped them. Who was his coach that year...Gattis...wasn't on Gattis though. My point was the drops aren't on the WR coach. The same jugs machines are being used. The same hand positioning is pretty much universally taught now. If your 6-5 and 220 with the ball bing a grapefruit in your hands...you need to do better. We all see it as does the kids and the staff. This loss may actually free some minds up and loosen them up believe it or not.
 
There's been issues with separation too. Thompkins/Johnson didn't have issues with drops and separation under Gattis. Who has Corley recruited? Simmons and Dunmore were both recruited by Seider.

If Corley left, no big deal in my opinion. I think CJF brings in an upgrade if it were to happen.


So, you are saying that Corley erased everything that Thompkins/Johnson learned under Gattis about separation and catching the ball? Curious how that could happen.
 
There were outlets calling Juwan Johnson an early rounder in this year's NFL draft - he has 8 drops in 5 games so far this season. Thompkins? I don't even know where to start criticism because he's been non-existent. If it wasn't for Hamler, McSorley would scrambling on every passing down trying to try and get yardage.

I understand that players deserve blame for mental lapses but at the same time is it not concerning that year over year we've seen a significant drop off in production from a group that had a coaching change? WR is the weakest position group in the offense. Drops, separation, and (not yet mentioned) 3 offensive pass interference penalties.

There's a ton of talent in the WR room so I'm also not inclined to think that they can't turn it around. What I am saying is that if Corley were to leave for another job I'm not going to lose sleep over it. CJF will bring in an upgrade.
 
There were outlets calling Juwan Johnson an early rounder in this year's NFL draft - he has 8 drops in 5 games so far this season. Thompkins? I don't even know where to start criticism because he's been non-existent. If it wasn't for Hamler, McSorley would scrambling on every passing down trying to try and get yardage.

I understand that players deserve blame for mental lapses but at the same time is it not concerning that year over year we've seen a significant drop off in production from a group that had a coaching change? WR is the weakest position group in the offense. Drops, separation, and (not yet mentioned) 3 offensive pass interference penalties.

There's a ton of talent in the WR room so I'm also not inclined to think that they can't turn it around. What I am saying is that if Corley were to leave for another job I'm not going to lose sleep over it. CJF will bring in an upgrade.
I don't think you have enough data as done anyone else to make that conclusion. I also know if you have a revolving door less than a year later you will lose some very elite recruits you are in on. Whether or not he is an upgrade or downgrade remains to be seen. I just don't blame him for wide open WR's dropping balls.
 
https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2018/09/penn_state_coach_david_corley.html

"The biggest area of improvement, bar none, is a decrease in the number of drops all pass catchers have had to date. It hasn't been just the receivers -- backs and tight ends have contributed as well -- but receiver coach David Corley said the number of drops through four games a year ago was eight. This year, it's 10."

Much like folks claiming that the sky has fallen on the defensive side, the drops are also fairly similar to last year.
 
If true, would be another positive to have a HC from Penn State / Franklin's coaching tree. Also, as a former wide receiver position coach himself, I'm sure Franklin is evaluating Corley's work through a broader and more technical view than we are. Blaming Corley for the drops is nonsensical just like it would be blaming Seider for Sanders or Slade's fumbles. All things being equal, if their training, coaching, and talent says the player can catch, they are going to have to start catching the ball at crunch time.
 
Every current college coach (and NFL coach, if there are any) with any ties to William and Mary will be tossed out there as potential candidates at W&M.

As such, Corley will be one of dozens of names kicked around in the media.

At this point, aside from being a W&M alum, it means squadoosh.


(Of course, one can always tune in to Sekrah for the latest "real dope")
Maybe Mike Tomlin would take the job. He's a Tribe guy from way back.

I liked the Sekrah reference. If anybody would know about real dopes, it's him.
 
Unless W & M is going to open up its budget, or London or Corley are willing to take pay cuts, I don't think either are likely candidates. If Corley does go, I wish him all the best. Franklin will find a capable replacement.
 
Unless W & M is going to open up its budget, or London or Corley are willing to take pay cuts, I don't think either are likely candidates. If Corley does go, I wish him all the best. Franklin will find a capable replacement.
I would think many asst FB coaches would take a pay cut to have a shot at being a HC even at that level. I would have to think even at 1aa (FCS?) level, the total package for a HC would be somewhere in the neighborhood of what they are making now. If you would be expected to beat Richmond, then they should at least pay you like Richmond's HC. From 2016 Richmond’s Danny Rocco received a total package worth $437,672.
 
Gattis probably left because Rahne got the OC job, Saban needed him more as a recruiter, and he got 3 of PSU's "19" targets. Corley is a top recruiter, W&M is a project unless he want's the challenge.
My opinion on the WR's is they are getting mauled by the bigger DB's, but drops are killing us, Hamler seems to be the go to guy but OSU gave him the dirty shot treatment.
 
I must be in the minority here - I think he has been a major downgrade from Gattis. Our receivers have taken a significant step back this season, specifically with drops.

Wizard … I was a little critical of the Corley hire when it was announced, and I took some major heat from some of the blind-loyalist dopes over on the pay board. My concern with Corley back when the hire was announced was not so much the X's and the O's … football is football … but from a recruiting perspective.

My point of concern when he was hired was that recruiting vs. the competition at W&M and Army is a whole lot different than recruiting vs. the competition at Penn State. … Getting into a recruiting battle vs. the sharks at Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Bama … is a totally different world than getting into a recruiting battle vs. the minnows at Lehigh, Lafayette, Old Dominion and Navy.

Now, 10 months later I still have those same concerns because I do not see him closing many recruiting deals + I see almost all of our WRs regressing. J. Johnson has regressed. Thompkins has regressed. Polk has stagnated.....

But hey. Those "experts" over on the pay board will tell me that I'm crazy ...
 
Saban needed him more as a recruiter, and he got 3 of PSU's "19" targets
I think it's fair to say he was a great coach as well. Makes sense as a former NFL safety who knows exactly how to beat...himself. I give him a lot of credit for DeaSean's ability to catch passes in extremely tight coverage because he was phenomenal at disguising that the ball was actually coming to him. He had a unique understanding of the position that most WR coaches probably don't. Nothing even needs to be said about his recruiting which was clearly elite.


Anyway, who is the third recruit besides Alfano and Metchie?
 
Watching college and pro football the last couple of weeks and I have to say I think pass drops are up all over the place.
 
I think it's fair to say he was a great coach as well. Makes sense as a former NFL safety who knows exactly how to beat...himself. I give him a lot of credit for DeaSean's ability to catch passes in extremely tight coverage because he was phenomenal at disguising that the ball was actually coming to him. He had a unique understanding of the position that most WR coaches probably don't. Nothing even needs to be said about his recruiting which was clearly elite.


Anyway, who is the third recruit besides Alfano and Metchie?
Shane Lee, the linebacker from Baltimore - and I’d take Lance Dixon and Brandon Smith every single day of the week.
 
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Shane Lee, the linebacker from Baltimore - and I’d take Lance Dixon and Brandon Smith every single day of the week.
Yeah. Don't want to hype a kid too much ... Still. Brandon Smith looks like he has the potential to be a great football player.
 
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JJ had some drops last year as did DT. Drops are a part of the game. OSU had 4-5 the other night as well. Sometimes it a tough catch and we all get that. Mac H had one the other night, but it was a sidearm throw coming at a funny angle....still a good WR should grab that.

JJ is dropping routine balls that are very routine. Just like Mike G used to. Catching the ball is mental and sometimes WR's just start to overthink every play instead of just playing football. Hell remember Charles in the BT title game...2 super easy out patterns that were gimmes...back to back he dropped them. Who was his coach that year...Gattis...wasn't on Gattis though. My point was the drops aren't on the WR coach. The same jugs machines are being used. The same hand positioning is pretty much universally taught now. If your 6-5 and 220 with the ball bing a grapefruit in your hands...you need to do better. We all see it as does the kids and the staff. This loss may actually free some minds up and loosen them up believe it or not.
That “drop” was on 9, ball was low and behind 12 who was cutting across the field. Trace’s deep balls were on point Sat night but many of his intermediate throws were not.
 
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I would think many asst FB coaches would take a pay cut to have a shot at being a HC even at that level. I would have to think even at 1aa (FCS?) level, the total package for a HC would be somewhere in the neighborhood of what they are making now. If you would be expected to beat Richmond, then they should at least pay you like Richmond's HC. From 2016 Richmond’s Danny Rocco received a total package worth $437,672.

Maybe. The total package at W & M for the current coach is in the low $300k neighborhood.

If I'm an AC looking for a steppingstone I look for a more prominent program which translates into more money. On the othjer hand, some guys might want nothing more than to be HC at a place like W&M for their entire career.
 
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