I recall a while back reading an article where Curley's attorney, a woman I believe, was pretty pumped up about going to trial. Stating something to the effect of "We can't wait" till it goes to court....maybe he will get his chance although I got a c-notr says this never sees a courtroom.
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I agree with that. I was just pointing out the approach that I expect the OAG to take in a trial and that they could win.
I'm on the C/S/S side here, just looking at the situation from the other team's dugout.
Stink, read the very last line. In Fina's own words:
Stink, read the very last line. In Fina's own words:
According to Pittiots, just because there is no evidence doesn't mean someone's innocent.
The idea of having an actual open-court-folks-sit-down-take-an-oath-and-answer-questions trial......that would be a great opportunity - potentially - to get SOME level of clarity wrt so many of the important issues in this fiasco.
That's easy for me to say - since, unlike so many others (Curley, Spanier, Schultz / all of the potential witnesses / all of the folks who may be subject to collateral damages etc) - it ain't gonna' be my ox being gored.
Whether it is proper to undertake that process - without the Prosecution putting forth any substantiation for why that process should take place (especially when, BY FAR - based on all of the evidence to date - the more appropriate entities to be sitting at the defense table are the 2nd MIle folks) - is another issue.
Interesting to compare...
Interesting that this case isn't getting a shred of national attention, as it implicates OVER 50 COACHES.
In the McCabe case, the organization acknowledged in court records that it seldom, if ever, forwarded allegations of child abuse to police or child protective services without being asked. When questioned under oath about its practices, Penny and his predecessor, Robert Colarossi, shed light on why. The reasons included concern about potential damage to a coach’s reputation if an allegation proved to be false.
Colarossi said he inherited an executive policy of dismissing complaints as “hearsay” unless they were signed by a victim or victim’s parent — a policy that experts said could deter people from reporting abuse.
Sometimes, USA Gymnastics “investigated rumors, anonymous claims or hearsay allegations,” according to court records. Other times, it didn’t investigate complaints that appeared to meet its requirements.
USA Gymnastics also argued that it is not liable because the mandatory child abuse reporting laws in Florida and Indiana applied only to individuals, not to organizations.
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Colarossi said he inherited an executive policy of dismissing complaints as “hearsay” unless they were signed by a victim or victim’s parent — a policy that experts said could deter people from reporting abuse.
Sometimes, USA Gymnastics “investigated rumors, anonymous claims or hearsay allegations,” according to court records. Other times, it didn’t investigate complaints that appeared to meet its requirements.
USA Gymnastics also argued that it is not liable because the mandatory child abuse reporting laws in Florida and Indiana applied only to individuals, not to organizations.
Interesting that this case isn't getting a shred of national attention, as it implicates OVER 50 COACHES.
What the OAG and the media continue to ignore is that JS' access to PSU facilities didn't enable his abuse, his access to kids did and PSU told the folks at TSM/CYS (who had DIRECT control over JS' access to kids) about both '98 and '01. If anyone failed it was those folks not the damned college admins who had no authority over JS or his access to kids.
Schultz did have the power to call in whomever he wanted, and yet, bizarrely, MM never once expressed dissatisfaction, asked that MORE be done, and never once asked Schultz why no one from UPPD ever came to get his written statement about MM's 99.9% certainty that JS was raping a kid.....when JM had a follow up convo with Schultz a few months later he never expressed dissatisfaction or asked why UPPD never came to get MM's statement so a formal criminal investigation could get started...hmmmmmm. The most likely explanation for that is MM wasn't really sure what JS and the kid were doing, was satisfied with PSU's response of confronting JS/letting the child care experts at TSM handle it, and didn't want to make a false accusation against a pillar of the community.
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Oh....I get your point (at least what I thought your point was - but mea culpa if I inferred incorrectly).....I got it the first time:Stink, read the very last line. In Fina's own words:
That Fina's own words contradict any implied malfeasance on the part of Paterno
I assumed that was the point you were trying to make....and if so, I couldn't agree more - in fact, I think it is rather undebatable.
But Paterno isn't the one charged here (or facing a potential trial)
If you are also referring to that Fina quote, where he refers to Schultz (apparently) as "....his (Paterno's) supervisors, the head of the police department..." ....as a determination that Schultz was, indeed, a "cop". Well, Fina saying so doesn't really impress me much
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...A5E9EC1F9F429D126CA6A5E9EC1F9F429&FORM=VRDGAR
Unless Fina was implying that Paterno reported to Harmon (which I don't think anyone believes is what he meant).....Fina's statement certainly doesn't take precedence over what I consider to be common sense.
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Bing-Freaking-O!!!
Didn't one of the Sandusky prosecutors even refer to the 2nd Mile as a "victim farm"...or some such thing.
This entire affair is mind-numbingly bewildering.....if for that reason alone.
And no one charged with the responsibility.....and that list of "no ones" now include Gov Wolf and Bruce Castor, among the litany of leg-pissers....will lift a finger to investigate the "victim farm"
Absolutely mind-numbing
I'm not arguing that Schultz was or wasn't a cop. All I'm saying is that the head of police was brought into the loop. To me, that reflects a good-faith attempt to put the ball in the most appropriate hands.Oh....I get your point (at least what I thought your point was - but mea culpa if I inferred incorrectly).....I got it the first time:
That Fina's own words contradict any implied malfeasance on the part of Paterno
I assumed that was the point you were trying to make....and if so, I couldn't agree more - in fact, I think it is rather undebatable.
But Paterno isn't the one charged here (or facing a potential trial)
If you are also referring to that Fina quote, where he refers to Schultz (apparently) as "....his (Paterno's) supervisors, the head of the police department..." ....as a determination that Schultz was, indeed, a "cop". Well, Fina saying so doesn't really impress me much
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...A5E9EC1F9F429D126CA6A5E9EC1F9F429&FORM=VRDGAR
Unless Fina was implying that Paterno reported to Harmon (which I don't think anyone believes is what he meant).....Fina's statement certainly doesn't take precedence over what I consider to be common sense.
Louis Freeh also refers to Gary Schultz as "ultimately in charge of the University Police Department." From the Freeh Report itself:
Now, as for whether or not Harmon was looped in, that's where things get interesting.
Yep the OAG themsevles called TSM a victim farm or facotry or something like that.
That's what makes the local media and child/abuse advocate groups' silence in all this so appalling! The local media KNOWS that JS found ALL of his victims through TSM and they know the OAG hasn't lifted one finger to look into/charge those TSM folks and apparently they are totally cool with that...smh
I dunno. If I have a REALLY good hand in poker, I'll slow play to get other suckers in for a bigger pot.
But five years is a REALLY long time to slow play a hand. This seems more like overplaying a hand. Fina bluffed big time and got called, and now he's (or by default the new OAG left with this 2-7 unsuited) stalling to avoid losing their bet.
This isn't poker - Fina would have put his best cards out on the table in an attempt to get C/S/S to fold.
Yes, @WeR0206 nailed it.
Also, yes, Joe McGettigan referred to The Second Mile as Jerry's "victim factory."
"The Second Mile, no matter what it's purported purpose, was for the defendant a victim factory. An assembly line for adolescent children to be abused, sodomized, anally raped by this defendant."
Nobody said Schultz was Chief of police. But even the Chief of police reports to somebody. In most municipalities - that would be the District Attorney or Commissioner or something similar. But since Penn State had its own police force, but no DA - the chief of police had to report to SOMEBODY.
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Haaa! She has been pretty quiet of late. I'm surprised she isn't all up in arms over here handing out lectures per usual.
Another consideration, it was reported that JS had showered with a young boy (around 9-10 years old). At the time, it was not against PA law and was and is still commonplace in some YMCAs, campgrounds, etc.
You are incorrect, the "Chief of Police" does not report to the "County" District Attorney in PA - complete bull$hit. Pennsylvania has several different kinds of "local political units" - a City, a Borrough, a Township, etc... PA also has "unincorporated local municipalities" such as University Park which has its own Public Utilities, Airport, Civic Center, Stadium, Police Force, etc... - the University Park Police Department is a duly-authorized Police Force by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and has "Law Enforcement" authority within its jurisdiction. All duly-authorized municipal police forces in PA report to a civilian within the Governance structure of the sponsoring local political entity - within a "City" the Civilian Official is generally elected and given the title of "Commissioner of Police", just as the Sr. Elected-Official within an "incorporated City" is titled "The Mayor". University Park, PA is an unicorporated municipal political entity (created by the Pennsylvania Legislature when they created PSU and "University Park, PA"). The Sr. Executive and police commissioner (i.e., civilian municipal official Police Chief and Police Dept report to) are not elected officials within the prescribed "Governance Structure" of University Park, PA - a bona fide municipal political entity in PA. The Sr. Executive (the equivalent of a Mayor in a City Structure or Municipal Executive in a Township or Borough) would be the PSU President, Graham Spanier at the time. The "police commissioner" was Gary Schultz at the time.
Again, the municipal police always and everywhere report to a civilian within the municipal political entity - they do not report to a "County Level" Official, let alone the County DA.
So if the OAG is conceding that the shower incident was reported to Schultz and that constituted reporting it to the police, where does that leave Schultz? Schultz said previously that he believed the incident had been reported to CYS. We already know that such reports are discarded if they are determined to be unfounded after 30 days. If a report cannot be found, what then?
What can really be done to Schultz here?
What can really be done to Schultz here?
JVP didn't work for nor was he involved/associated with TSM. No media interest in TSM as a result.
Yea, But dirt's a four letter word!You use yours......ill use mine.
I definitely like "bag of hair"
"Victim Advocates"....PCAR.....and most despicably, those "service" agencies right here in our backyard (State College and Centre Region)......that entire victim industry........
Crickets wrt 2nd Mile
What a bunch of low-life hypocritical a-holes
As for going to court, it is risky. Kane was found guilty of lying about signing a confidentiality document even though Beemer didn't reminder signing one either. And jury believed a person whose story had changed multiple times, but I'm telling the truth now that I have a signed immunity deal. Sound like anyone C/S/S might know. Anything can happen in court.
Not to nitpick -- and I'm agreeing with most of what you say here -- but if I'm not mistaken, University Park is NOT an "unincorporated municipal political entity." It is merely an address only, a substation of the State College Post Office. There really is no such entity as University Park. In fact, the Penn State campus, I believe, exists primarily within the "incorporated municipal political entity" of State College Borough. Beaver Stadium and the BJC actually are in College Township, hence, the township receives an "impact fee" on football and basketball tickets since they can't collect property taxes from the nonprofit university. I'm assuming there's some enabling legislation that allows PSU to have it's own police department. But I get your point, i.e., that Schultz was the de facto civilian "police commissioner."
Mike's "I would have told them" and "I would have said" testimony is going to get ripped to shreds on cross-examination. He was clearly coached by Fina et al to use that phrasing to avoid perjuring himself and he has no actual recollection of what he told anyone in 2001. This case is a farce.
This. I'm no fan of C/S/S but they certainly didn't play a shell game with pedos.
There's no comparison.
After seeing how much the judiciary around the state is apparently compromised, I don't blame CSS one bit for not wanting to go to court. It could easily get stacked against them, no matter what they did or didn't do.
This just needs to be said again, and again, and again....
yup! ...and no one in PA has looked at them, investigated them, asked 1 question of their leadership....
People have been hinting at some good news coming and with Lubrano now being silent I think something may finally be up
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Well history has shown us here that people involved in this case especially when it's bad news for the prosecution love to let it leak out late on a friday afternoon/evening of a holiday weekend. Hoping obviously to minimize the backlash. And let's see here why Labor Day is not far away...
I'm trying to think of two less connected items to tie together..........
Nope, can't do it.
The safest thing to do has always been to stay as far away from this as possible.
Misder I can agree with you there and their are numerous people doing just that.. Staying away staying silent etc.
If something you say conflicts with what is desired, then you become a target.
Reading comprehension is your friend. Read between the lines and save me the preaching to the choir lecture. I was implying that the Chief of the UP police force HAD to report to someone, and that someone was Gary Schultz.
I'm just wondering if he's being paid by Marci Hamilton. See? See? "Catholic Church " is her theme-du-jour for every single SA case she "blogs" about, even when the facts simply don't fit. Same thing with SNAP Network.
Good morning Nellie, it certainly is apparent to me that the, we'll call them "writers", for the major papers are indirectly controlled by outside interests. Hopefully StinkStank will chime in and contribute his knowledge or opinion of the "outside interests".
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