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[wensilver]

The safest thing to do has always been to stay as far away from this as possible.

Misder I can agree with you there and their are numerous people doing just that.. Staying away staying silent etc.

Well - not being from the 168XX Zip Code - I am absolutely baffled as to why not a single Town Leader or Persons Harmed in this entire saga can't get their ass in front of a microphone over the next few days and publicly excoriate the Leadership at Second Mile for allowing this ALL to burn on someone else's doorstep.

Y'all realize now - that if Bruce Beemer takes office next week - ANY traction "we" have made with regards to having the leadership & that organization credibly investigated very likely goes away.

UNLESS State College Town Leaders and/or Persons Harmed get Bruce Beemer on the record to commit to credibly investigating and carrying out such.

If not - complaining on a message board is just circling the drain.

 

[psudukie]

Wensilver, did kk inherit a tsm investigation upon becoming AG that was supposedly suspended to the FBI getting involved? If I understand incorrectly please just let me know.

Thanjs

 

[StinkStankStunk]

Well - not being from the 168XX Zip Code - I am absolutely baffled as to why not a single Town Leader or Persons Harmed in this entire saga can't get their ass in front of a microphone over the next few days and publicly excoriate the Leadership at Second Mile for allowing this ALL to burn on someone else's doorstep.

Y'all realize now - that if Bruce Beemer takes office next week - ANY traction "we" have made with regards to having the leadership & that organization credibly investigated very likely goes away.

UNLESS State College Town Leaders and/or Persons Harmed get Bruce Beemer on the record to commit to credibly investigating and carrying out such.

If not - complaining on a message board is just circling the drain.

There is no "town leader" in State College.

The Mayor of State College (from the Mayor's website):

• The Mayor is the ceremonial head and official representative of the Municipality
• The Mayor does not have the right to vote upon any matter before Council, but the Mayor shall approve or veto any ordinance of Council
• The Mayor's position is part-time with a small salary.

Elizabeth Goreham is the current Mayor of State College Borough. Visit our Staff Directory to contact the Mayor about proclamations, wedding ceremonies, community concerns and other issues. .
______________________________

The "leaders" here - clearly - are the folks on the hill (PSU).....and the business folks with $$$$

You expect:

Ira Lubert
Eric Barron
Nick Jones
Bruce Heim
Paul Silvis
Steve Dunham
Lance Shaner

etc

To get out in front of this - - - and protest?
Because THOSE are the town/local "leaders"

We know - I think - why they aren't marching in protest.....they are the genesis of the problem

We've got folks in positions that are SUPPOSED to, that are supposedly SWORN to, pick up this gauntlet.

Folks in this Commonwealth who are SUPPOSED to step in when the
"local leaders" engage in malfeasance.

Beemer will just be joining a long line of those folks - with clearly spelled out duties and responsibilities - who have pissed down our legs and humped us up the butt:

Corbett
Kelly
Wolf
Kane
Castor
Abraham
and, now, for Beemer....."State your name and sign in please!"

 

[biacto]

There is no "town leader" in State College.

The Mayor of State College (from the Mayor's website):

• The Mayor is the ceremonial head and official representative of the Municipality
• The Mayor does not have the right to vote upon any matter before Council, but the Mayor shall approve or veto any ordinance of Council
• The Mayor's position is part-time with a small salary.

Elizabeth Goreham is the current Mayor of State College Borough. Visit our Staff Directory to contact the Mayor about proclamations, wedding ceremonies, community concerns and other issues. .
______________________________

The "leaders" here - clearly - are the folks on the hill (PSU).....and the business folks with $$$$

You expect:

Ira Lubert
Eric Barron
Nick Jones
Bruce Heim
Paul Silvis
Steve Dunham
Lance Shaner

etc

To get out in front of this - - - and protest?
Because THOSE are the town/local "leaders"

We know - I think - why they aren't marching in protest.....they are the genesis of the problem

We've got folks in positions that are SUPPOSED to, that are supposedly SWORN to, pick up this gauntlet.

Folks in this Commonwealth who are SUPPOSED to step in when the
"local leaders" engage in malfeasance.

Beemer will just be joining a long line of those folks - with clearly spelled out duties and responsibilities - who have pissed down our legs and humped us up the butt:

Corbett
Kelly
Wolf
Kane
Castor
Abraham
and, now, for Beemer....."State your name and sign in please!"

I bet Denise McClelland or Mary Beth Schmidt would kick their ass.

 

[bdgan]

There has been, and is today, a Chief of Police at University Park......and it ain't (and never was) the Senior VP Finance.

The Senior VP Finance is an administrative position.....which overseas (among other things):
Internal Audit
Information Technology
Physical Plant
Auxiliary and Business Services
Diversity and Ethics (a couple of "new" ones in recent years)
Investment Management
Finance and Business for the Commonwealth Campuses
Human Resources
Finance and Business for the Hershey Medical Center
Corporate Controller
Risk Management
etc
AND (in 2001)
Police Services

Yep, that sounds like the job description of a "Top Cop"

The next time I see a "Law Enforcement Official" with those job responsibilities, will be the first time


Now, as to your broader point......

"....Let's not derail the thread with the whole "was Gary Schultz a cop or not" debate..."

Absolutely agree
It is a silly premise...and not worthy of any "debate".

And, of even greater impact, your "point #2":

".... Did any of the motions acknowledge that PSU reported the 2001 incident outside the university to Jerry's employer at The Second Mile where Bruce Heim openly admits to killing the report?.."

Is a 1000X more germane issue

The president of the U.S. is the commander in chief even though he isn't a soldier or a general. He also has many other responsibilities that have nothing to do with the military.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

I bet Denise McClelland or Mary Beth Schmidt would kick their ass.

Throw C Masella and W Silver in there.....and turn it into a gang war.

My $$$$ is on the gals

 

[biacto]

Throw C Masella and W Silver in there.....and turn it into a gang war.

My $$$$ is on the gals

My bad that I forgot those 2.

 

[wensilver]

Wensilver, did kk inherit a tsm investigation upon becoming AG that was supposedly suspended to the FBI getting involved? If I understand incorrectly please just let me know.

Thanjs

She told me the Feds came into the OAG when she took office and told her to have Moulton tailor his report to just looking at the way the Sandusky investigation was handled and that they (the Feds) would deal with Second Mile. She did not inherit a TSM investigation from Linda Kelly, nor did she implement one- as you all know.

Now unless this was just another instance of someone in a decision - making capacity blowing smoke up my ass - like Louis "You Raise A Good Question" Freeh, who steps away from the lecturn when I quizzed him on Second Mile - then I don't know what the hell is going on anymore .

All I know is : if these were dogs being abused by an executive director of the SPCA - regular people and the media would be in that SPCA parking lot so effing fast demanding answers, picketing, shouting and threatening SPCA leadership.

Kids abused via a state licensed kids charity by someone who the state slapped the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval on?

Yawn.

Even worse - the media is all HEY - LOOK OVER HERE AT THE SHINY FOOTBALL! HEY -
PATERNO! YO - FOOTBALL! ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE FOOTBALL?!

If indeed "the Feds" are still credibly investigating - then how many more casualties will there be? What is the final tipping point until the "Feds" finally come out and say - here's Who/What/When/WhoWhy.

 

[psudukie]

Thank you for your reply. Appreciated as always.

 

[step.eng69]

She told me the Feds came into the OAG and told her to have Moulton tailor his report to just looking at the way the Sandusky investigation was handled and that they (the Feds) would deal with Second Mile. She did not inherit a TSM investigation from Linda Kelly, nor did she implement one- as you all know.

Thanks Wendy, that is the way I remember the issues of TSM. Kane pursues JerBer & the feds investigate TSM.

 

[Aoshiro]

Wensilver, did kk inherit a tsm investigation upon becoming AG that was supposedly suspended to the FBI getting involved? If I understand incorrectly please just let me know.

Thanjs

Corbett's spokesperson explicitly stated that there was no investigation of The Second Mile.
It's a myth that Fina et al turned over any such investigation to Kane. Just more of their lies.

 

[StinkStankStunk]

As far as the "Feds" running a 2nd Mile Investigation - - - and telling the "locals" to back off:

I think a few things that are reasonably certain (and not much is certain at all):

- We will likely never know if the Feds are involved/were involved/or were never involved unless and until we actually see some "indictments/arrests" etc as a result of a federal probe (and. lets face it, its been FIVE YEARS....I know these things can sometimes drag along slowly, but this shouldn't have been a longer process than waging WW2)

- If the "locals" did indeed wash their hands of the matter, and claim "The Feds told us to"........F them.
While one can certainly see the logic of the Feds investigating - - - if they indeed looked at the shitstorm and said "These Fers can't be trusted to investigate their own shitstorm, we have to take charge" ......but that doesn't excuse those folks that we here in the Commonwealth place our trust in. Doesn't excuse them from washing there hands and stepping back and watching the fires burn for FIVE YEARS.

- The likelihood that there is a Fed Investigation - a REAL one........as opposed to the likelihood that it is no more than another leg-pissing perpetrated by the "Locals" and/or the "Feds", designed NOT to actually investigate the 2nd Mile - but, rather, to serve as just another layer of obfuscation and "plausible deniability"?

On that count, based on all we have seen to date, the smart money is on any such talk being another "leg-pissing".

More often than not (MUCH more often than not):




Anyway, that's the way I see it.

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

Haaa! She has been pretty quiet of late. I'm surprised she isn't all up in arms over here handing out lectures per usual.

She not quiet over on Pennlies. She is trashing the three good guy, Kane and Joe all day long with her loser friends

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

There is no "town leader" in State College.

The Mayor of State College (from the Mayor's website):

• The Mayor is the ceremonial head and official representative of the Municipality
• The Mayor does not have the right to vote upon any matter before Council, but the Mayor shall approve or veto any ordinance of Council
• The Mayor's position is part-time with a small salary.

Elizabeth Goreham is the current Mayor of State College Borough. Visit our Staff Directory to contact the Mayor about proclamations, wedding ceremonies, community concerns and other issues. .
______________________________

The "leaders" here - clearly - are the folks on the hill (PSU).....and the business folks with $$$$

You expect:

Ira Lubert
Eric Barron
Nick Jones
Bruce Heim
Paul Silvis
Steve Dunham
Lance Shaner

etc

To get out in front of this - - - and protest?
Because THOSE are the town/local "leaders"

We know - I think - why they aren't marching in protest.....they are the genesis of the problem

We've got folks in positions that are SUPPOSED to, that are supposedly SWORN to, pick up this gauntlet.

Folks in this Commonwealth who are SUPPOSED to step in when the
"local leaders" engage in malfeasance.

Beemer will just be joining a long line of those folks - with clearly spelled out duties and responsibilities - who have pissed down our legs and humped us up the butt:

Corbett
Kelly
Wolf
Kane
Castor
Abraham
and, now, for Beemer....."State your name and sign in please!"

That woman looks like a product of the 1960's drug culture. No wonder things are so effed up in State College

 

[LafayetteBear]

- We will likely never know if the Feds are involved/were involved/or were never involved unless and until we actually see some "indictments/arrests" etc as a result of a federal probe (and. lets face it, its been FIVE YEARS....I know these things can sometimes drag along slowly, but this shouldn't have been a longer process than waging WW2)

Well, at least we know now that, if the feds become involved and go after TSM or its officers, the statute of limitations for failure to report or investigate will not be an issue. As the Commonwealth attorneys have made clear, that SOL (how appropriate the acronym seems in this context) runs forever, even when the SOL on the underlying crime has expired.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Reading comprehension is your friend. Read between the lines and save me the preaching to the choir lecture. I was implying that the Chief of the UP police force HAD to report to someone, and that someone was Gary Schultz.

Just sticking with facts.....the Sherrifs Dept reports to the County-Level Govt not a municipal level PD Chief. A municipal Police Chief always reports to a civilian within the municipal political entity's government.