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I would assume, it would be used only under threat off of their property. Maybe I'll suggest my wife carry it on her runs and when we walk the dogs. It would likely neutralize the threat.
Pet stores carry dog pepper spray…it will run them off, but not do permanent damage….unless you’re looking to do permanent damage.
 
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Leash laws are just as much there to protect your own dog as other people and dogs. What happens when a friendly but not under verbal or leash control dog approaches a reactive dog that is not friendly but is on a leash? The off leash dog might get bit, injured or mauled and the owner that let their dog roam free would be at fault.
They also protect the dog owner. Dog ownership has unlimited liability, so if your dog causes any kind of damage or harm, you’re legally responsible. I had a 100 pound Alaskan Malamute and she loved people and was exceptionally friendly. I never had to have her on leash but I kept her on one because I didn’t want her knocking some kid over accidentally and causing some kind of injury where I got sued.
 
Just wanted to thank everyone for their input. It's obviously an issue that a number of us have run into with varying degrees of consequences. Some great suggestions in the thread.
 
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I walk my dogs daily without a leash down here in Texas. Both of them are on a zapper. The zapper has beep, buzz and shock. When I press the beep, both sit immediately. I'll start putting my dogs on the leash the minute all the cat owners start doing the same.

That’s great that you have something but just realize no one knows you have that but you. Not sure what cats have to do with the discussion. It doesn’t change the concerns raised here about dogs.
 
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the people that moved in the cul de sac on my street have a huge german shepherd. male, not nuetered as they want too have him bred, and he is over 100 pounds. about as big of a shepherd as I have ever seen, it is a really beautiful dog. they have 3 small children and dog is very protective. they sent the dog away to obedience school as it barked so much. it is sort of scary as it is so big.

so anyway, I am walking my 20 pound dog down the sidewalk and see out of the corner of my eye movement. I am about 3 houses away. I look down at their house and I see him sitting on their front porch, so obviously he had gotten out of the fenced area. I turn around slowly and start to walk back hoping that he did not see me, about 2 second later i hear clicking (paws on the sidewalk) and turn around and he is on the full run down the sidewalk at me. I pick up my dog and just hope as if a 100+ pound shepherd goes after you, not much you are going to be able to do without a weapon. luckily he had seen my dog before and he runs up and just starts sniffing, I stand there pretty still. after about 20 seconds, I start walking back to my house. I get in front of my house and tell the dog to sit which it does perfectly. I walk in the house, put my dog down, grab a leash and go back outside. the shepherd is still sitting in exact same spot. so i go to put the leash on him and when i goto grab his collar, he starts with the very low growl. i decide the better and just say come and start walking back to their house. he follows perfectly. i get in front of their house and start to walk toward their front door and he runs around in front of me and sit about 10 feet from the front door and start with the low growl again, he was not going to let me near that front door. i sat there for a few minutes wondering what i was going to do when one of the kids walks out from the garage who i tell to go get their parents. turns out the lawn guy forgot to shut the gate.
Yikes. That’s crazy. That’s scare the hell out of me. Luckily in my neighborhood, ever since my neighbor’s pitbull died, we have all sporting and yipper dogs. Of course, the yipper dogs ar ether ones most likely to bite. But their easy to kick away too.
 
I don't have any problem with a well-trained and compliant dog running around a known area. But if that dog comes into my yard or threatens me in a common area, I will not guarantee that dog's safekeeping. If the dog is outside of their yard, the dog's behavior is the responsibility of the owner. If a dog comes after me or my pets, and I kill that dog, I am OK with that. Conversely, if my dog did the same, I understand it.
I’d agree with that.
 
Even if a dog is on a leash, you still need to be careful. I was bitten by a large labrador retriever earlier this year that was on a long leash. When the dog charged me, the female owner was unable to control it. Turns out it was a former rescue dog that had previously been mistreated and as a result had behavioral issues. I was not the first person it bit.
 
I want to punch every dog owner who says that as their dog is jumping at other people. I get Cujo there is your little darling, but not everyone is a dog lover. Leash your pet or keep it in your fenced in yard.
I am a dog lover, but no longer want the extra work involved with owning one. I have never liked cleaning up after animals that aren't my own.
 
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That’s great that you have something but just realize no one knows you have that but you. Not sure what cats have to do with the discussion. It doesn’t change the concerns raised here about dogs.
Well, I have neighborhood cats that leave their messes on my back deck!!! So, there's that!
 
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Even if a dog is on a leash, you still need to be careful. I was bitten by a large labrador retriever earlier this year that was on a long leash. When the dog charged me, the female owner was unable to control it. Turns out it was a former rescue dog that had previously been mistreated and as a result had behavioral issues. I was not the first person it bit.
No kidding, even when they are friendly, they can cause injury. My wife an I allowed our little dogs to meet this very large dog (like maybe 140 lbs) that was very friendly and their maybe 100 lb female owner on a beach in NC. Well, the dogs wanted to play and she had her dog on those long, extendable leashes. The big dog ran by me and turned so that the leash was against my leg as she unknowingly was letting out line. Needless to say, it cut pretty deep through my leg in a matter of about 2 seconds before I could run out of the situation.
 
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No kidding, even when they are friendly, they can cause injury. My wife an I allowed our little dogs to meet this very large dog (like maybe 140 lbs) that was very friendly and their maybe 100 lb female owner on a beach in NC. Well, the dogs wanted to play and she had her dog on those long, extendable leashes. The big dog ran by me and turned so that the leash was against my leg as she unknowingly was letting out line. Needless to say, it cut pretty deep through my leg in a matter of about 2 seconds before I could run out of the situation.
Oh man I wish those extendable / retractable leashes would be taken off the market. For any dog that is large enough you run the risk of it pulling you over and there's no way to retract the line for even a medium size dog when something goes wrong. If the line is out and you try to grab it, or it wraps around something/someone else, as you shared, it can cause pretty bad cut injuries. Need a good solid leather / fabric leash that you can grab and use to control your dog in case anything goes wrong, not 20 foot of wire cable.

Personally I treat every unknown dog as a threat regardless of breed, big or small. Once lived in a townhome neighborhood with shared backyard space and someone was out with their golden lab, the thing started running towards me so I backed up to my deck and closed the gate with the owner yelling / laughing at me with the stereotypical "oh he's friendly". I wanted to say biatch i don't know you or your dog - but of course I didn't and just kind of gave a nervous yea okay wave. It very much annoys me when I come upon folks with their dog(s) off leash on trails and such. If you want to let your dog run free go to a dog park or in your own private fenced yard. /rant
 
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Oh man I wish those extendable / retractable leashes would be taken off the market. For any dog that is large enough you run the risk of it pulling you over and there's no way to retract the line for even a medium size dog when something goes wrong. If the line is out and you try to grab it, or it wraps around something/someone else, as you shared, it can cause pretty bad cut injuries. Need a good solid leather / fabric leash that you can grab and use to control your dog in case anything goes wrong, not 20 foot of wire cable.

Personally I treat every unknown dog as a threat regardless of breed, big or small. Once lived in a townhome neighborhood with shared backyard space and someone was out with their golden lab, the thing started running towards me so I backed up to my deck and closed the gate with the owner yelling / laughing at me with the stereotypical "oh he's friendly". I wanted to say biatch i don't know you or your dog - but of course I didn't and just kind of gave a nervous yea okay wave. It very much annoys me when I come upon folks with their dog(s) off leash on trails and such. If you want to let your dog run free go to a dog park or in your own private fenced yard. /rant
Akin to that, when I was back in college I worked summer's at a large condo complex. My main job was basically re-painting the entire place. It was like 1200 units so a lot of painting. On the units themselves, painted the shutters, window cills and molding and the front and side doors. So anyway, I knock on this lady's door as I had to paint the doors. She opens it and I she says hi. And I see this tiny poodle (maybe 10 pounds) in the living room who gets up and barks and starts running over to me. I bend down a little bit and the poodle jumps up and full on bites me right in the crotch. It was summer so I had on a pair of mesh shorts only. Luckily for me the dog missed the kibbles and bits and got me on my inner thigh but bit hard enough to draw blood with tooth marks. Was literally into me to the point of hanging on with it's teeth on my inner thigh.
 
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Akin to that, when I was back in college I worked summer's at a large condo complex. My main job was basically re-painting the entire place. It was like 1200 units so a lot of painting. On the units themselves, painted the shutters, window cills and molding and the front and side doors. So anyway, I knock on this lady's door as I had to paint the doors. She opens it and I she says hi. And I see this tiny poodle (maybe 10 pounds) in the living room who gets up and barks and starts running over to me. I bend down a little bit and the poodle jumps up and full on bites me right in the crotch. It was summer so I had on a pair of mesh shorts only. Luckily for me the dog missed the kibbles and bits and got me on my inner thigh but bit hard enough to draw blood with tooth marks. Was literally into me to the point of hanging on with it's teeth on my inner thigh.
Got to protect the jewels.
 
True. And I think in general most dogs are nice, the problem is (1) some are not, (2) some dogs can snap. When a 10 pound yorkie gets angry, it doesn't matter as they cannot hurt anyone. When a Pitbull or Pinscher snap and get mad, they are big enough that they can seriously hurt a human being, that is the difference. And certain dogs are known to be much more mean. I mean you don't read articles on humans being attacked and maimed by Golden Retrievers and Poodles and Irish Setters even though they can just as big as pit bulls and dobermans and other bully breeds, that is because they don't have personalities like some of the breeds that have instincts to protect.
Size shouldn't matter if a dog bites a person it is still a bad or poorly trained dog. A biting dog is a biting dog. I get so sick of hearing that little dogs can't hurt you so its ok if they bite. This is big dog prejudice. If you get bit by a little dog you should punt that lil shit across the road
 
My sixty five pound Vizsla is a lover and not at all a fighter. He has not so much as even growled at a stranger or another dog. He is super well trained and obedient. He walks next to me without fail, all the time. I take him on my runs around the neighborhood and drop my .380 auto in my shorts pocket just in case it is needed. I take my switchblade to the park trails where guns are prohibited. I keep it razor sharp.

I like the skunk spray as a deterrent for a woman or guy that may not be comfortable carrying a pocket pistol.
 
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Size shouldn't matter if a dog bites a person it is still a bad or poorly trained dog. A biting dog is a biting dog. I get so sick of hearing that little dogs can't hurt you so its ok if they bite. This is big dog prejudice. If you get bit by a little dog you should punt that lil shit across the road
It's not a bias, it's a different degree of damage and risk. My neighbors' little 20 lb pooches are not going to potentially maim or kill a human. I'd be pi$$ed if they bit one of us but we'd walk away from the incident without much of a physical problem. The pitbull and his nearly equally sized pal on our walking route that we do with our little dogs absolutely could kill or maim humans. You have be honest enough to see the difference.
 
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Oh man I wish those extendable / retractable leashes would be taken off the market. For any dog that is large enough you run the risk of it pulling you over and there's no way to retract the line for even a medium size dog when something goes wrong. If the line is out and you try to grab it, or it wraps around something/someone else, as you shared, it can cause pretty bad cut injuries. Need a good solid leather / fabric leash that you can grab and use to control your dog in case anything goes wrong, not 20 foot of wire cable.

Personally I treat every unknown dog as a threat regardless of breed, big or small. Once lived in a townhome neighborhood with shared backyard space and someone was out with their golden lab, the thing started running towards me so I backed up to my deck and closed the gate with the owner yelling / laughing at me with the stereotypical "oh he's friendly". I wanted to say biatch i don't know you or your dog - but of course I didn't and just kind of gave a nervous yea okay wave. It very much annoys me when I come upon folks with their dog(s) off leash on trails and such. If you want to let your dog run free go to a dog park or in your own private fenced yard. /rant
I’m kind of the opposite, I treat every dog as if they’re friendly because dogs, by their nature, want to be friendly. You can usually tell if a dog is mean or aggressive and as another poster stated earlier, you need to not show fear in those cases. I’ve only been bitten once in my life and that’s when I was around 10 years old and I surprised a dog I didn’t know was there. Since then I’ve never even been close to being bitten. Luckily my dog is large and wants to be friends with every dog he sees, so I haven’t had to break up any dog fights up to this point.
 
My sixty five pound Vizsla is a lover and not at all a fighter. He has not so much as even growled at a stranger or another dog. He is super well trained and obedient. He walks next to me without fail, all the time. I take him on my runs around the neighborhood and drop my .380 auto in my shorts pocket just in case it is needed. I take my switchblade to the park trails where guns are prohibited. I keep it razor sharp.

I like the skunk spray as a deterrent for a woman or guy that may not be comfortable carrying a pocket pistol.
I didn’t realize Rambo was a jogger.
 
I have my son's dog about a week per month and I walk him off leash all the time. He is a Mini Golden doodle and weighs about 40 pounds so he's big for the breed. For those wondering his mother was a full size Golden Retriever and his father is a Miniature Poodle. He ignores other dogs, but loves to meet people along the way. I always tell him to stay and I ask the passerby if he can say "hi" to them but warn that he will jump. If they say yes I tell him (the dog) to go ahead. It's very cute as he rolls over for a belly rub and then gets up and jumps on them with his tongue constantly licking. I also take him the Appalachian Trail and it's many connecting trails quite often and if we come upon another he runs right to my side and we wait for them to pass. Water however is a problem as he hard to keep out.

A couple of neighbors like to come out if they see us walking to say hi. They know that if they open their door with him on the step (if I see them at coming I'll tell him it's ok) he tries to run inside, which he is often successful. They obviously like him.
 
Even if a dog is on a leash, you still need to be careful. I was bitten by a large labrador retriever earlier this year that was on a long leash. When the dog charged me, the female owner was unable to control it. Turns out it was a former rescue dog that had previously been mistreated and as a result had behavioral issues. I was not the first person it bit.
One of my rescues from Tennessee goes berserk when Hispanic looking men with dark beards, wearing jeans and motorcycle/ thick leather boots are around. Only that profile.

We walked him around NYC one weekend without a problem. He didn't freak when a guy in the East Village was walking a hog on a leash (seriously). All sorts of people...nothing.

Then a Homeless or Drug addled dude who fit the profile snuck up behind us and some kids in a small park near Delancy Street. Jed lunged and nearly tackled him. The children were not ours, and the dog didn't know them other than they had petted him a few minutes earlier.

With Rescues you just never know. Luckily I was able to control my mutt and the Creeper hurried off. The parents thanked us.
 
Size shouldn't matter if a dog bites a person it is still a bad or poorly trained dog. A biting dog is a biting dog. I get so sick of hearing that little dogs can't hurt you so its ok if they bite. This is big dog prejudice. If you get bit by a little dog you should punt that lil shit across the road
you missed the point. it is not that little dogs cannot be mean and nasty, the difference is the damage they can cause. If I am driving a golf cart and being reckless, I can only cause so much damage versus if I am driving an 18 wheeler reckless.
 
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Perfect timing on this story:
The search is on for the owner of two dogs who attacked a Bucks County man while he was out walking his own pets in Levittown, Pennsylvania. The victim was able to fight off the animals, but not before he and his pets were seriously injured. It was right around 2:30 p.m. Monday when Joseph Monaghan was walking his golden retriever, Mookie, and his Shih Tzu, Boey.

That's when, he said, an unleashed husky aggressively approached. "He started coming after us, and he started lunging for me and the little dog and then started attacking my golden retriever," Monaghan said. Monaghan said that's when a person he presumes was the owner appeared with a pitbull that was leashed. Still, Monaghan quickly picked up Boey as both the leashed pitbull and the unleashed husky attacked. "Boey got bit in the neck," Monaghan said. "Because they were trying to rip him from my arms. In the process, I was trying to protect his neck. So, I got bit by the dog." Monaghan said Mookie did everything he could to fend off the attack. But in the end, Monaghan was hospitalized for serious bite wounds to his hand, while Mookie and Boey received treatment for puncture wounds to the shoulder and neck. Monaghan said what's even more disturbing is that just as soon as the owner finally pulled his dogs away, he quickly left the scene.

"Right now we're trying to figure out who the owners are. I know they live on Ruby Lane. We're trying to track down exactly who they are. But, like I said, they didn't stick around to see if we needed help or anything like that," Monaghan said. Monaghan said he is not seeking justice; he just wants to know for sure the dogs that attacked him are inoculated against rabies. He also wants to shed a light on the importance of leashing dogs. Bristol Township Animal Control is investigating this case.
 
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Perfect timing on this story:
The search is on for the owner of two dogs who attacked a Bucks County man while he was out walking his own pets in Levittown, Pennsylvania. The victim was able to fight off the animals, but not before he and his pets were seriously injured. It was right around 2:30 p.m. Monday when Joseph Monaghan was walking his golden retriever, Mookie, and his Shih Tzu, Boey.

That's when, he said, an unleashed husky aggressively approached. "He started coming after us, and he started lunging for me and the little dog and then started attacking my golden retriever," Monaghan said. Monaghan said that's when a person he presumes was the owner appeared with a pitbull that was leashed. Still, Monaghan quickly picked up Boey as both the leashed pitbull and the unleashed husky attacked. "Boey got bit in the neck," Monaghan said. "Because they were trying to rip him from my arms. In the process, I was trying to protect his neck. So, I got bit by the dog." Monaghan said Mookie did everything he could to fend off the attack. But in the end, Monaghan was hospitalized for serious bite wounds to his hand, while Mookie and Boey received treatment for puncture wounds to the shoulder and neck. Monaghan said what's even more disturbing is that just as soon as the owner finally pulled his dogs away, he quickly left the scene.

"Right now we're trying to figure out who the owners are. I know they live on Ruby Lane. We're trying to track down exactly who they are. But, like I said, they didn't stick around to see if we needed help or anything like that," Monaghan said. Monaghan said he is not seeking justice; he just wants to know for sure the dogs that attacked him are inoculated against rabies. He also wants to shed a light on the importance of leashing dogs. Bristol Township Animal Control is investigating this case.
How does someone that just saw their dogs attack and injure someone and their smaller dogs not come back and check on that person? I shake my head at the lack of morals some people have.
 
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How does someone that just saw their dogs attack and injure someone and their smaller dogs not come back and check on that person? I shake my head at the lack of morals some people have.
something doesn't make sense in that article. it said one dog on a leash, so the other owner had one dog on a leash and another dog off leash and they both attacked? And then the human get's bit and the dogs get bit and you the person who was bit by a dog and had their dogs bit said he doesn't care about cost or anything else just rabies? I mean if you get attacked by two dogs and you are in hospital and dog has vet bills, not sure how you are not looking to recover some costs on that one. So something is not right in that story.
 
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something doesn't make sense in that article. it said one dog on a leash, so the other owner had one dog on a leash and another dog off leash and they both attacked? And then the human get's big and the dogs get bit and you the person who was bit by a dog and had their dogs bit said he doesn't care about cost or anything else just rabies? I mean if you get attacked by two dogs and you are in hospital and dog has vet bills, not sure how you are not looking to recover some costs on that one. So something is not right in that story.
Or he's trying to get the owner to come out, and when he does, the victim will sue him for everything he can and have him prosecuted.
 
Perfect timing on this story:
The search is on for the owner of two dogs who attacked a Bucks County man while he was out walking his own pets in Levittown, Pennsylvania. The victim was able to fight off the animals, but not before he and his pets were seriously injured. It was right around 2:30 p.m. Monday when Joseph Monaghan was walking his golden retriever, Mookie, and his Shih Tzu, Boey.

That's when, he said, an unleashed husky aggressively approached. "He started coming after us, and he started lunging for me and the little dog and then started attacking my golden retriever," Monaghan said. Monaghan said that's when a person he presumes was the owner appeared with a pitbull that was leashed. Still, Monaghan quickly picked up Boey as both the leashed pitbull and the unleashed husky attacked. "Boey got bit in the neck," Monaghan said. "Because they were trying to rip him from my arms. In the process, I was trying to protect his neck. So, I got bit by the dog." Monaghan said Mookie did everything he could to fend off the attack. But in the end, Monaghan was hospitalized for serious bite wounds to his hand, while Mookie and Boey received treatment for puncture wounds to the shoulder and neck. Monaghan said what's even more disturbing is that just as soon as the owner finally pulled his dogs away, he quickly left the scene.

"Right now we're trying to figure out who the owners are. I know they live on Ruby Lane. We're trying to track down exactly who they are. But, like I said, they didn't stick around to see if we needed help or anything like that," Monaghan said. Monaghan said he is not seeking justice; he just wants to know for sure the dogs that attacked him are inoculated against rabies. He also wants to shed a light on the importance of leashing dogs. Bristol Township Animal Control is investigating this case.
Like I tried to say up above, some people understand integrity and some do not. It is necessary to know what the right thing is to do or say, but then you have to have the courage to do it.
 
Remember Diane Whipple? PSU Lacrosse player lived in SF. Her neighbors were two lawyers who looked after these fighting dogs owned by some Cali inmate lifer. Those dogs killed her in the hallway outside her apt. I remember these lawyers trying to blame it on her.
 
In the big picture it isn't whether the dog is big or small as long as it is raised and socialized right. Clearly big dogs will do more damage if they bite. If you raise your dog right and socialize them you shouldn;t have to worry about it
 
For those unfamiliar with the Whipple story, here's a recap from (coincidentally) just a few days ago. I remember it was a big topic around PSU back when this all went down. Certainly a sad and disturbing event.


 
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