Not entirely true but point taken. But isn’t it a little different to be able to have a coach speak to you - outside of the call/signal?...to clue you in from a birds eye perspective what a safety or LB is doing or what kind of tendencies arise fro various shifts? More than just a net-net.
Well, they’re all doing it yet none have the success Brady has. Also, Brady changes plays frequently, so your system QB claim is ridiculous.
Because anyone who is even the slightest bit impartial can see that Brady is the GOAT....and it’s not even close.
He’s not a WR but I would consider Gronk an elite receiver.
The calls don’t stop someone from getting hit. QB’s who run the ball are going to get hurt more and that has nothing to do with what is called and not called.
Cam was getting hit late and hit in the head repeatedly while in the pocket.
^^^ this^^^.
Im no Brady fan but these folks need to step back and look what the guy has accomplished. And remember the entire team has turned over around him—in many positions multiple times. Hasn’t mattered. Other guys deserve to be in the discussion if folks want to have one, but come on...
You guys are both right, by the way.
I think we are getting off topic, I thought this thread was about Brady getting preferential treatment.
And if you think with or without the calls that Cam Newton would be anywhere near as good as Brady then I don’t know what to tell you.
Of course he does. He’s getting up in years and he’s the (a) GOAT. QBs are protected and should be, especially if not running QBs. Good distinction in Newton inside/outside the pocket. Cam and Brady play the game very differently, just like Gretzky and Lemieux. They’re built differently and they approach the game differently. Newton at some point in the game puts himself in danger’s way to make the big play in ways Brady doesn’t and he’s rewarded for it by his game having another dimension Brady’s doesn’t have-and never had nor will.
I never said Cam was as good as Brady, what I am saying in my opinion there isn’t a QB as protected by the refs as Brady and Newton is on the opposite side of the spectrum and was the least protected by the refs.
I don’t think the rule book distinguished between running QBs and non running QBs only whether they are in the pocket or out of pocket.
Please tell me when the protecting of Brady started....because he’s been successful from day one and I’m quite sure there wasn’t some conspiracy to protect him and give him all the calls the day he took over the starting position.
Protecting Brady started when he achieved superstar status. For example, when he did get hurt the NFL changed the rules to minimizing it happening again (Tom Brady Rule)
Some have had less success, some have had more. You can think it’s ridiculous all you want...doesn’t make it less accurate.
Good points. I never said any of the modern QBs are less capable. Just that they have modern advantages that their predecessors did not. There was a time when QBs were literally coaches on the field. That responsibility has been stripped from them over time. Add to it all the rule changes in their favor plus the protected status they enjoy, and it’s never been easier to be a QB. It’s all about mechanics.
I’m impartial and I say he’s not. The best of his generation, of course (along with Manning), but when I think of “all time” I consider which players could enjoy a similar success to their own across all eras. I just don’t think brady would’ve stayed healthy long enough to have comparable success the way the game was played a generation or more ago. Just my opinion.
That’s what you see because that’s what you want to see. So Brady got protected after he achieved superstar status which means he was a superstar without being protected. Maybe, just maybe, the dude is as good as advertised.
Please tell one that has had more success....this ought to be good.
You have no justification for saying that...there’s no indications that he wouldn’t have stayed healthy. The dude has the strictest health regimen of anyone in the NFL. If guys like Stabler who smoked on the sideline and woke up with a beer could stay healthy, I’m quite sure Brady could stay healthy. So you’re opinion is not based on anything statistical or measurable, it’s just a feeling...got it. I’ll go with what he’s accomplished, how he’s dominated the game, and his overall work ethic and attitude and say he’s the best ever and it’s not even close. But you keep thinking he wouldn’t stay healthy back in the day, yeah that’s the ticket.
Considering it’s a team sport, obviously nobody has won more. Manning, Brees, and Favre all have better individual stats and also been champions. So there’s that.
You’re perfectly justified in your opinion, but diet has little to do with the ability for defenders to tee off on him without fear of repercussions. Eating soy has nothing to do with the argument, rendering your opinion no more or less valid than mine. The modern rule book and his protected status have a helluva lot more to do with his longevity than diet, work ethic and attitude.
I never said he isn’t a great player, perhaps the greatest ever, but he is pampered by the refs and it could be a reason for his longevity.
He is not a "systems" QB, and successful for that reason. He is more like a "having a second coach on the field at the line of scrimmage" QB, and successful for that, and many other, reasons.
A second coach with a speaker in his head telling him exactly what the defense is going to do based on a highly efficient catalog of defensive signals stored in the savant brain of whatever that Rain Man dude’s name is they keep in the booth up in foxboro. So, when you’ve got the answers to the test, it’s just about execution. Ya know...like a system.
I think there is some degree of validity to your point but, in fairness, it has to be balanced by the fact that his team has virtually NEVER had a high draft choice in the entire time he has been there and that he has had few All Pro receivers to throw to (Moss in 2007, Welker, Gronkowski and Edelman). The only "constants" in the two decades of Patriots success have been Brady and Belichick. You simply can't do what they've done for almost 20 years in today's NFL (even in the weak AFC East).
Bill Bellichick apparently believes that he could win a Super Bowl with any of the top 15 QBs in the league using his “system”....fwiw.
