Draft Prediction: Buffalo will trade for the #4 Pick to get a QB
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Barkley is going #1 to Cleveland...mark it down...sucks, but that is what is goin to happen. Then Cleveland may trade down at 4 or take a QB at 4....they would be smart the trade 4 for 12 and 22 and then most likely get a QB like Allen at 12 possibly and then let him develop behind Taylor for a season or 2.
I disagree. Running backs just don't go #1 these days, and in my scenario, Cleveland can't risk waiting until #12 to get the QB they want- they might as well go for a different position at that point.
well, things change. can't drive a car by looking through the rear view mirror. That is not a prediction, Dorsey was brought to CLE to fix the QB problem and that he will do his darnedest to do. But I think there is a good argument to be made that Barkley will have a greater positive impact on the team that drafts him then Mayfield, Allen, Darnold or Rosen.
I think Buffalo waits to see what happens, if Cleveland doesnt take the QB Buffalo wants, then they trade with NYG to #2, and NYG now have 12 & 22. Buffalo takes a QB, the Colts take SB, and the NYG fix their OL problems by taking the ND OG at 12, and the ND OT at 22. Mark it down!! (maybe not)
It's baffling to me that people think the Browns are going to pass on the sure thing in Barkley
Have you met the Cleveland Browns?
I think the Browns hope that the Saquon hype train persists. They hope that the NYG are forecast to pick him and that several teams that pick from 3~10 are on the hype train too. Then, they will try to pull off a "RG3" or "Ricky Williams" type trade. So if Buffalo wants to trade their two first rounders plus some other odds and ends, I am sure CLE will be all in on that.
My prediction
Cleveland takes Barkley,
Giants will take QB
Colts will take the DE Chubb or trade down to a team that wants a QB.
Browns takes. a QB. They hope that it is either Allen or Darnold.
They will sit that QB behind Taylor anywhere from 1/2 of a season to 2 seasons. The QB with the greatest upside is supposed to be Allen.
Cleveland takes Barkley,
Giants will take QB
Colts will take the DE Chubb or trade down to a team that wants a QB.
Browns takes. a QB. They hope that it is either Allen or Darnold.
They will sit that QB behind Taylor anywhere from 1/2 of a season to 2 seasons. The QB with the greatest upside is supposed to be Allen.
Strange question to ask. But no I havent, have you?
I dont remember the Browns ever making moves such as they have recently in my lifetime. Moves that seem to be pretty good, despite their past. I like the direction they are going TBH.
I think Cleveland wants Allen, but to me the one with the best tools is Darnold, as much as I would bet he's a smarmy little prick. Doubt he had very good coaching at USC, and the talent around him wasn't top-shelf, but he still lit it up, and often "looked the part". No GM could draft an RB and, in the process, allow two other teams to potentially grab their #1 targeted QB while hoping he would still be there at #4.
agree. I feel like CLE wants to deal one of those two picks and take a QB with the one they have left
It's just the nfl era that we live in. It's a pass first league that has seen the fullback go the way of the passenger pigeon. At this point having a good running back can help you win games - but having a bad QB will absolutely cost you many more loses and potentially the coaching jobs. Not a slight against Barkley in the least, just the reality of the current state of the nfl.
Supposedly, Gruden plans I’m using fullback in his offense with Oakland/Vegas. It’s all cyclical. Once defenses get too light defending the pass, someone will go heavy and run the ball sown everyone’s throat.
Correct. Anyone that thinks Barkley isn't going #1 as things stand today isn't paying attention.
Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield/Allen do not appear to be Goff or Wentz.
Barkley is a once a decade (or better) player. He is also not just a RB. His ability to catch passes out of the backfield and his football IQ separate him as an offensive threat.
Look at how Prescott looked in Dallas without Elliot. Gurley made Goff better in LA. Barkley will take pressure off whatever QB lines up in Cleveland. He'll give Taylor more room to dance or he'll take pressure off a rookie QB struggling with the speed.
Browns have the #1 pick. They can choose a passer with probably a 50/50 chance of success (and maybe not a super-high upside) or a no question about it difference maker that can improve your offense in multiple ways.
If I was in charge of the Browns, I'd take Barkley #1 and I wouldn't be afraid to trade the #4 pick if anyone wanted to move up for a QB.
agree...Paterno used to say that all the time. Read Option is not a lot different than the old wishbone triple option. Spread is the Wing T.
If I was an 1A or NFL coach, I'd get five of the biggest, strongest MFers and line them up from LT to RT. I'd then get a couple of big, strong fellas in the back field. I'd get a couple of fleet
The local rags feel that Dorsey feels that he can pick up a good RB in any round, especially in a draft so deep in RB's. He picked up an all-pro RB last year, Kareem Hunt from Toledo. He ran for 1300 yards last year. They won't trade up to get a RB. If anything, they'll trade down and get Chubb, Sony Michell, or one of the other highly rated guys that will go after round one.
I think the Giants might be willing to take that, but how many Top 5 contracts, with single digit wins to show for them, does Cleveland really want to pay out? And they only rushed for a hair over 1,700 yards last year (#18), and were even worse passing (#22) so I think they have other fish to fry beyond RB (read: OL, WR, several new coaches). So Saquon would be learning to run from a Pro Set, behind a suspect line, and with a weak passing game (Taylor or a rookie QB) this year. Ezekiel Elliott really lucked out with the situation in Dallas, especially with their line, but Cleveland just ain't that!
CLE's line is actually pretty good. Their RB's were a mess. Some people liked Crowell but got sideways with mgt when he tweeted out a photo of a cop being held at gunpoint during the whole kneeling thing. The other RB, Duke, is only good for 3rd and long. Add to that the fact that the Browns got behind in most games early and had to resort to passing. But the rest of your post is true.
I don't know why you think the Browns would trade back for more picks...doesn't make any sense at this point...so maybe they will
i think it would be smart, if Barkley isn't there at 4.
Browns have to get a QB at 1 or 4. If they take Barkley, they won't trade back, IMHO. But if they take a QB at 1 and someone wants that #4, they could also pick up a Derwin James, Tremaine Edmunds or Roquan Smith type of player. (two of three) In addition, browns have first pick of the second round where they can pick up a Sony Michell or Darius Guice. Browns need a ton of talent. I'd love to see them pick up Barkley but can't complain if they pick up several first round picks for him
Bills moving up further is all predicated on any possible FA QB signing. Keenum is gone, looks like Cousins headed to Vikings or Cardinals. If Vikings sign Cousins then I look for the Bills to sign either Bradford or Bridgewater. I want no part of AJ McCarron. If they sign a vet QB, then anything is possible with Bills moving up. I have heard they have been in the Colts’ ear all week
Here is something interesting: Browns, it is being reported, have a verbal agreement with Nate Soldier to play LT for $14m...they are awaiting word from Joe Thomas to see if he wants to play another year. If he does, Soldier will probably go elsewhere...if not, they have Soldier replace Thomas.
The Giants definitely should not take Barkley in this scenario, their pick becomes so valuable if one qb is off the board, Barkley is not worth two number ones and a two or three, and that's what the Giants will be able to command at a minimum
Yeesh. I’m not at all convinced that Cousins is any better than the guys Minnesota has on the roster now.
it is considered to be a deep draft devoid of those special "can't miss guys" at the top. But to your point, not only do the Browns have 1 & 4 of the first round, they also have 33 and 35. This is the first and third pick of the second round. That is four guys that you must keep on your roster and probably start. Add that to three first rounders from last season and you've got seven 1st or 2nd year players starting.
Full disclosure: I'm not stupid enough to engage with you, so there won't be any further replies, and if you try to derail the thread in any way, I will just go ahead and block you, which I probably should have done already. Good luck with your online mental masturbation habit!!!
It is a deep draft and I agree that other than Barkley and maybe Chubb/Fitzpatrick there aren't too many can't miss guys.
You're right...I can't see the Browns wanting 1, 12, 22, 33 & 35. If anything I think they trade those two seconds to move up.
Not saying that they won't deal back...I just don't see the logic behind it from a Browns point of view
My best guess is that Cleveland will go QB. If you had the chance to draft young Tom Brady or Barry Sanders #1, who you taking in today's NFL? The answer is the QB. Once Cleveland is done, I assume the Giants pull the trigger on SB.
I agree with that theory...and, yes, we didn't know Brady was going to become Brady...but I just think how "safe" the picks are between Barkley and any of the QBs is huge. There's at least QBs that you could make an argument as the QB that should go first. 4 if you count Mayfield.
Brady is probably a bad choice as an example...since he went in the sixth round. He wasn't exactly a blue-chipper. And that is the point, of the QB's in the finals and SB last season, one was a first round pick (and he was considered the worst of the lot; blake bortles).
IMHO, there is one blue chipper in this draft and he wore #26 for the Lions.
That's 20/20 hindsight. Nobody knows the future so you have to look at the possible picks from a risk adjusted point of view. If you think Barkley has a 75% chance of being a year in year out pro bowler the next 7 years and say Sam Darnold has a 10% chance of being the next Brady for 15 years, then your calculus doesn't work.
You are all missing the point. You as GM are not actually drafting those guys, you are drafting their future results; e.g., a great QB driven team or a great RB driven team. So, if you believe the next Tom Brady and Barry Sanders are both in this draft and both are available at #1, you would have to pick the next Brady. According to the way the game is played today, that would maximize your chances to win.
