Ed Orgeron (8-8 since title win) on the hot seat

[SaquonCappelletti]

I just wanted to gather some opinions from the board about Ed Orgeron’s job security, or lack thereof.

LSU is now 8-8 in 2020 and 2021 — the Tigers were in the preseason top-15 both years — and it seems like everyone is Louisiana is calling for the guy’s head. Personally, I think Franklin could practically have a lifetime contract at PSU if he wins a title, or at least 3-5 years of unquestioned job security, but it seems the beloved Coach O might not even get two years. LSU media and fans say Coach O made some poor hires and the 2019 Joe Burrow year was an outlier on his resume (but still, it happened).

What’s interesting about LSU is it has won three titles in 20 years under three coaches, so the fan base is kind of spoiled and used to winning under all different circumstances.

 

[psuro]

Franklin to Baton Rouge.

 

[Zenophile]

I just wanted to gather some opinions from the board about Ed Orgeron’s job security, or lack thereof.

LSU is now 8-8 in 2020 and 2021 — the Tigers were in the preseason top-15 both years — and it seems like everyone is Louisiana is calling for the guy’s head. Personally, I think Franklin could practically have a lifetime contract at PSU if he wins a title, or at least 3-5 years of unquestioned job security, but it seems the beloved Coach O might not even get two years. LSU media and fans say Coach O made some poor hires and the 2019 Joe Burrow year was an outlier on his resume (but still, it happened).

What’s interesting about LSU is it has won three titles in 20 years under three coaches, so the fan base is kind of spoiled and used to winning under all different circumstances.

This is the reality of coaching at a “win at all costs” institution.

 

[psuro]

This is the reality of coaching at a “win at all costs” institution.

It’s an Emmett Institution.

 

[Zenophile]

It’s an Emmett Institution.

Is like you read my mind.

 

[jmorovich]

I listen to Late Kick with Josh Pate quite a bit and he has connections to agents and he said a couple weeks ago that the agents he talked to expected this job to open and no agent worth his salt would let their clients talk to USC or any other opening until this LSU job officially was open. The LSU job is a much better job than USC and that job will be the lynchpin that controls the coaching carousel this season. I’ll be interested to see what LSU does. Do they fire coach O before the season is over or let him ride the year out and then do a coaching search. Whatever the case that job and then the USC job will cause dominos across the coaching landscape. I’m sure PSU will be affected one way or another (not with CJF). I always feel something happens when these jobs open up that tangentially affects PSU’s staff. They finally seem to have a solid staff so hoping they can stay together for a couple seasons to build some stability.

 

[psuro]

Is like you read my mind.

You are thinking about my sig pic right aren’t you?

 

[BobPSU92]

 

[TFBaum]

I listen to Late Kick with Josh Pate quite a bit and he has connections to agents and he said a couple weeks ago that the agents he talked to expected this job to open and no agent worth his salt would let their clients talk to USC or any other opening until this LSU job officially was open. The LSU job is a much better job than the USC and that job will be the lynchpin that controls the coaching carousel this season. I’ll be interested to see what LSU does. Do they fire coach O before the season is over or let him ride the year out and then do a coaching search. Whatever the case that job and then the USC job will cause dominos across the coaching landscape. I’m sure PSU will be affected one way or another (not with CJF). I always feel something happens when these jobs open up that tangentially affects PSU’s staff. They finally seem to have a solid staff so hoping they can stay together for a couple seasons to build some stability.

I would love to meet those agents. Wife Cal grad in-laws all UCLA. Pac12 versus SEC? USC recruiting footprint versus SEC footprint. I would love to hear the parameters that they are using. Not saying you are wrong just trying to understand where they are coming from

 

[ClarkstonMark]

I would love to meet those agents. Wife Cal grad in-laws all UCLA. Pac12 versus SEC? USC recruiting footprint versus SEC footprint. I would love to hear the parameters that they are using. Not saying you are wrong just trying to understand where they are coming from

you really don't understand that LSU is a better job then USC and every P10 school?
Seriously, wtf?!??!

 

[TFBaum]

you really don't understand that LSU is a better job then USC and every P10 school?
Seriously, wtf?!??!

Okay I don’t. Tell me why? I am asking

 

[AWS1022]

I just wanted to gather some opinions from the board about Ed Orgeron’s job security, or lack thereof.

LSU is now 8-8 in 2020 and 2021 — the Tigers were in the preseason top-15 both years — and it seems like everyone is Louisiana is calling for the guy’s head. Personally, I think Franklin could practically have a lifetime contract at PSU if he wins a title, or at least 3-5 years of unquestioned job security, but it seems the beloved Coach O might not even get two years. LSU media and fans say Coach O made some poor hires and the 2019 Joe Burrow year was an outlier on his resume (but still, it happened).

What’s interesting about LSU is it has won three titles in 20 years under three coaches, so the fan base is kind of spoiled and used to winning under all different circumstances.

He’ll be gone after the season for sure, maybe before it’s over. They’re not only losing, they look horrible. Another game like last night against what they consider and inferior opponent and he might not make it to the plane ride home.

 

[RGWhirly]

Knowing our luck they will snag MY. That would make me 🤬

 

[AWS1022]

Knowing our luck they will snag MY. That would make me 🤬

I doubt LSU hires a coordinator with no head coaching experience.

 

[TFBaum]

I doubt LSU hires a coordinator with no head coaching experience.

No they will grab a dumb ACC coach.

 

[wolve1972]

you really don't understand that LSU is a better job then USC and every P10 school?
Seriously, wtf?!??!

It depends. While I agree that LSU is the bigger name right now and probably since the Pete Carroll / Reggie Bush days at USC, the media and TV market in L.A absolutely dwarfs anything in SEC country. And to revive a sleeping giant (USC) would be monumental.

That's why I get a laugh out of people saying that the SEC is the far superior conference to the B1G. They need to look at the HUGE markets and payouts in B1G land - it's not even remotely close

 

[SheldonJoe2215]

As the kids would say, 'He is kill.'

 

[TheWizardofCamelot]

The LSU job is about as good as it gets in terms of money and resources. But you have zero wiggle room - if you don’t win the SEC in 3 years, you’re on the hot seat.

I wouldn’t touch a job in the SEC West until Saban retires.

 

[Shadow99]

8-8 since 2019? Coach Orgeron is just not a national championship caliber coach...he will always be the bridesmaid but not the bride. His team is not elite. He can recruit, but apparently did not develop Joe Burrow's backup in practice so that he would be ready for the following season. LSU will never make the playoffs under his leadership...

Oh, wait, what?! They made the playoffs and won under him in 2019?

Oh...well anyway any coach who averages 10-2 seasons has no chance to ever break through...any coach who will ever "break through" has already done so...no new names will be added to that group...no hope for teams that are just "in the discussion" almost every single year to catch a few breaks such as lack of injuries or a favorable bounce, a special recruiting class or group of over-performing players. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Midnighter2]

Okay I don’t. Tell me why? I am asking

Since 2000 three different coaches have won NCs at LSU. Only school the country who can claim that. It’s self sustaining for the most part. And - Ed O - who has been terrible everywhere - won one there. It basically needs a coach with a pulse and can contend for titles.

USC is as good or better a job IMO (since the CFP has been implemented) but someone like Ed O can’t win there.

 

[lazydave841]

I would love to meet those agents. Wife Cal grad in-laws all UCLA. Pac12 versus SEC? USC recruiting footprint versus SEC footprint. I would love to hear the parameters that they are using. Not saying you are wrong just trying to understand where they are coming from

Louisiana is considered a top 5-6 recruiting state. LSU tends to keep most of those kids home. They have no in state school that competes for those kids.

They also have 2 titles since USC won their last one.

The leash at USC seems to have gotten longer. The leash at LSU seems to have become very short.

The bigger thing when it comes to agents: money. LSU is probably going to poach a known entity and pay him big $$$, probably as high as the market allows.

USC doesn't seem likely to do that. Could be wrong.

If you are an agent, do you want a cut of $5 million or maybe $9 million per season?