I would bet that even without Hall we will go into Saturday night needing no more than wins from Zain and Nolf. And that on Saturday night we get more than just wins from Zain and Nolf.
Enough of the Rasheed bull$hit...
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Well, since Bo versus Dean will be the last match of the night. That will be some good drama.
Bo needs to just win right, or are bonus points required?
Bo needs to just win right, or are bonus points required?
I think pulling Hall's shirt is the correct move. The sad part is that Morelli and Rasheed are pretty solid compared to 133 and 141 and did nothing wrong to deserve to be benched.
That being said it will be too close at NCAAs without the 15 or so more points Hall would likely score.
The redshirt has nothing to do with Hall not being ready to go. Everyone knows he is more than ready. The redshirt is more about saving a year of eligibility for the future. The problem with that line of thinking is Hall is 20 yrs old now. If he takes an Olympic redshirt then he would be 25 years old his senior year. I doubt at that age he will still be interested in winning NCAA titles. He will have moved on to either MMA money or senior level freestyle. It is better to take the bird in the hand this year and pull the shirt and win the team title rather than hope Hall still wants to wrestle NCAA folkstyle during the prime of his career.
That being said it will be too close at NCAAs without the 15 or so more points Hall would likely score.
The redshirt has nothing to do with Hall not being ready to go. Everyone knows he is more than ready. The redshirt is more about saving a year of eligibility for the future. The problem with that line of thinking is Hall is 20 yrs old now. If he takes an Olympic redshirt then he would be 25 years old his senior year. I doubt at that age he will still be interested in winning NCAA titles. He will have moved on to either MMA money or senior level freestyle. It is better to take the bird in the hand this year and pull the shirt and win the team title rather than hope Hall still wants to wrestle NCAA folkstyle during the prime of his career.
I went to a boxing match and a hockey game broke out.
I went to a Rasheed thread and a Burn Mark Hall's Redshirt thread broke out.
I went to a Rasheed thread and a Burn Mark Hall's Redshirt thread broke out.
I'm really not sure why people don't think someone like Geno could end up AAing at 174. He's been pretty good so far this year. Granted, we're likely not taking top of the podium, but he could end up in the 6-8 range I feel.
Actually an "inference" to the contrary of your unintentional "implication" was made.
Best win is Jim Wilson and Barnes who is unranked. To get to the lower tier of 174, it would take wins over a lot of decent guys to include Crutchmer, Kent, Weatherspoon, Meyer, Brunson, Lujan, Amine, Preisch etc. To give you an example, Amine majored Wilson in Vegas. Time will tell I guess, but I don't think he is an AA. If our guy doesn't get his crap together, neither will he. For some reason, I don't think Crutchmer will either but that's just me spitballing. Never trust a wrestler with too many tattoos...too much on the outside and not enough on the inside
It's a gamble but that weight could end up being a wash for PSU, Iowa, and OSU.
Best win is Jim Wilson and Barnes who is unranked. To get to the lower tier of 174, it would take wins over a lot of decent guys to include Crutchmer, Kent, Weatherspoon, Meyer, Brunson, Lujan, Amine, Preisch etc. To give you an example, Amine majored Wilson in Vegas. Time will tell I guess, but I don't think he is an AA. If our guy doesn't get his crap together, neither will he. For some reason, I don't think Crutchmer will either but that's just me spitballing. Never trust a wrestler with too many tattoos...too much on the outside and not enough on the inside
Jordan Oliver?
I went to what I thought was the ballet and stripping plus pole dancing broke out. So much for my attempt at some culture.
Best win is Jim Wilson and Barnes who is unranked. To get to the lower tier of 174, it would take wins over a lot of decent guys to include Crutchmer, Kent, Weatherspoon, Meyer, Brunson, Lujan, Amine, Preisch etc. To give you an example, Amine majored Wilson in Vegas. Time will tell I guess, but I don't think he is an AA. If our guy doesn't get his crap together, neither will he. For some reason, I don't think Crutchmer will either but that's just me spitballing. Never trust a wrestler with too many tattoos...too much on the outside and not enough on the inside
For some reason I thought Geno's resume was better than that. I'm probably just being a homer then.
No disrespect to Stanford & Lehigh and other schools, but some of the PSU wrestlers haven't faced many challenging opponents yet.
With no holiday tournament, some of the lineup hasn't been tested much. Hard to build a resume by early January when you haven't wrestled anyone tougher than Rasheed & Wilson yet.
And so we look back to 15-16 and ask ourselves how in the world we get an AA out of someone who lost to Patrick Rhoads.
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Some of the dancers got upset when I yelled FULL COURT PRESS!!! and now I can't go back there for six months.
1. Because he looks better on his feet so far this year than last year.
2. Because it's the first freaking week of January. Take a chill pill. Lets see what he does against Alex Meyer & Zac Brunson before jumping off the bridge.
3. Because as crazy as it seems to you, the PSU coaching staff knows more than you and your two cronies, 21 & Skyper, combined.
Edit: I'm going to stop replying to any BURN THE SHIRT rants. You guys are gonna keep posting the same stuff in every single thread until B1Gs in early March whether I reply or don't reply.
You guys are stuck in the Echo Chamber.
Guns can you elaborate on your assumptions leading to Hall addint 15-20 points to the team total over Morelli/Rasheed?
I would like to understand your math.
I don't think the difference is 15-20, but I haven't put much thought into it.
I would like to understand your math.
I don't think the difference is 15-20, but I haven't put much thought into it.
If Hall wins that is 20 placement + advancement points, figure a fall and 3 MD that's 25 points (perfect world).
Morelli or Rasheed finish 8th that's 5.5 or so. Finish 6th 10 points or so.
Finish blood round that's a couple points.
If the assumption is Hall finishes 1st or 2nd and Morelli/Rasheed finish round of 12 to 6-8, the math is maximized for effect but generally is OK.
Morelli / Rasheed IMO are R12 and 6-8 if a miracle happens.
Hall is likely top 4 with a championship or finals appearance somewhat likely.
I think 10-15 more points for Hall is pretty reasonable.
I feel the biggest reason to burn the shirt is that he might be a freshman but he isn't a young man. There is no point trying to save a year of eligibility. He won't want to be wrestling in college at 25 years old. He will either be wrestling senior level freestyle or busting heads in MMA for big money.
Hall is likely top 4 with a championship or finals appearance somewhat likely.
I think 10-15 more points for Hall is pretty reasonable.
I feel the biggest reason to burn the shirt is that he might be a freshman but he isn't a young man. There is no point trying to save a year of eligibility. He won't want to be wrestling in college at 25 years old. He will either be wrestling senior level freestyle or busting heads in MMA for big money.
I'm not too sure that if Hall redshirts and proceeds to win 3 titles, that he will pass up his chance to be Penn States first 4 timer. He could always do what Snyder has done and wrestle part time.
Evidence?
There is evidence against the MMA path:
"One of the things that went into it was, of all the places that I'm visiting, I'm going to have to live here for 10, 15 years and maybe more than that if I end up coaching at this school, and for me it was Penn State where I felt the most comfortable.''
http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/11/mark_hall_countrys_no_1-ranked.html
those kids that go on missions seem to do fine.
Wait, Matt Brown didn't quit after his JR year to go bash skulls in MMA?
If he takes an Olympic redshirt he would be a year older than the typical kid who redshirts and is good enough to take the Olympic redshirt.
The whole age argument is just a different rationalization.
Matt Brown is still on campus training.
DT is still on campus, Morgan, Nico, Conaway.
They aren't rushing out the door. If wrestling is still in the plan, they are staying.
nope he waited another year and now he does it in camo instead of blue and white.
FU meryl streep, love me some MMA.
I thought the VT kid chewed him up in the round of 12. Must have been 1 round prior.
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