ESPN hahaha
- Thread starter Rhino80
- Start date
From the article:
"Nickelodeon happened to be airing Peppa the Pig head to head for a bit on cable in the nine AM hour. And Peppa the Pig just dunked on ESPN all balls to the face style, posting 753k total viewers. That’s triple what ESPN did in the same hour. (Peppa, get your agent on the phone, stat, you should be making $45 million a year!)"
"Nickelodeon happened to be airing Peppa the Pig head to head for a bit on cable in the nine AM hour. And Peppa the Pig just dunked on ESPN all balls to the face style, posting 753k total viewers. That’s triple what ESPN did in the same hour. (Peppa, get your agent on the phone, stat, you should be making $45 million a year!)"
Clay Travis definitely has an agenda against ESPN .......... that said, this show isn't going to work long-term. It's DOA.
ESPN's mornings, IMO, should be straight-forward to program:
(1) A live show like "Mike & Mike." ESPN always had the right idea with that show.
(2) Put together a 20-minute all-highlight show that continually cycles on the other of ESPN/ESPN2. That show will serve the needs of those who want to see highlights and get the news of the day quickly as they start their work day.
ESPN's mornings, IMO, should be straight-forward to program:
(1) A live show like "Mike & Mike." ESPN always had the right idea with that show.
(2) Put together a 20-minute all-highlight show that continually cycles on the other of ESPN/ESPN2. That show will serve the needs of those who want to see highlights and get the news of the day quickly as they start their work day.
I don't even know what the right answer is. I lived on Sportscenter in the 90s, but with smart phones et al today, there's just no need to watch at all. I'm afraid there's just no need for most of what ESPN offers anymore.
True, there isn't the need to watch like there was 20 years ago.
That said, all-news radio still does work in major American cities. I know in Detroit, WWJ is THE number 1 rated station in the market in the mornings. And Detroit's not unique that way. Get your news in 10 minutes - done.
Headline News back in the day did 3 minute sports highlights and news packages at :20 and :50 after every hour. Those were good. I still think a quick highlight show could work for ESPN in the morning. An hour-long SportsCenter is simply way too much in the mornings.
Last edited:
Totally agree. It’s like when your local news station has a 15 second promo for the news between shows saying ‘possibility of snow in the forcast. How much will we get? Tune in to channel 8 at 11.’
It’s like they are still living in 1970. Everyone has smart phones and have known about the snow for hours now. They don’t need to wait until the 11pm newscast.
I like the idea of #2. I might watch if I can put aside my disdain for ESPN (which I overlook for PSU games).
I think part of the problem here is that this WokeCenter thing is really no different (in a significant way) than other ESPN products. Been there, done that for many consumers.
Is Clay Travis the same a--hat who was railing on Schiano when Tennessee was hiring him? He can pound sand too.
Not sure who it was that mentioned this but they said espn would probably get better ratings if they continually just replayed 30 for 30 episodes all the time. I have to say that's probably true at this point.
Much like when MTV stopped showing music videos and just started following a bunch of pregnant teenagers.
From June 25, 1987
Top 10 Off-Season Sports on ESPN (Letterman):
10. Uninflated Basketball
9. Fat Guy Hacky-sack
8. No-Hands Auto Racing
7. Shirts-and-Skins Speed-Typing
6. Amish Rake Fights
5. Miniature Horseshoes
4. Dropping Cows from Planes
3. Padded Suit Lumber Swat
2. Oprah Tipping
1. Dog Hockey
Top 10 Off-Season Sports on ESPN (Letterman):
10. Uninflated Basketball
9. Fat Guy Hacky-sack
8. No-Hands Auto Racing
7. Shirts-and-Skins Speed-Typing
6. Amish Rake Fights
5. Miniature Horseshoes
4. Dropping Cows from Planes
3. Padded Suit Lumber Swat
2. Oprah Tipping
1. Dog Hockey
You guys have mostly just gotten older. As a young sports fan, I would still watch the equivalent of SportsCenter all the time if I was that young again. This show has always been a really bad idea, breaking up Mike & Mike (despite the doofus Golic) is a classic ESPN bad move. Wingo is a complete moron who just wants to talk about golf all the time and Golic's son, holy shit, he is orders of magnitude even worse than his Dad.
I like Jalen Rose. Green is a weenie but he was good at what he did on Mike & Mike. I really do not like Michelle Beadle. But regardless of who you put on a show like that, I would never watch it. It has to be an attempt to reach an older sports audience (like the folks complaining here) but obviously they have missed the mark. Aging sports fans do not want to see a sport show packaged like Good Morning America.
Red carpet shows before "sports awards shows", ridiculous music shows before and at halftime at major sporting events, the avid sports fan has been completely thrown under the bus to attract more viewers. And who are those? Women? Milennials?
They have ruined the whole thing.
I like Jalen Rose. Green is a weenie but he was good at what he did on Mike & Mike. I really do not like Michelle Beadle. But regardless of who you put on a show like that, I would never watch it. It has to be an attempt to reach an older sports audience (like the folks complaining here) but obviously they have missed the mark. Aging sports fans do not want to see a sport show packaged like Good Morning America.
Red carpet shows before "sports awards shows", ridiculous music shows before and at halftime at major sporting events, the avid sports fan has been completely thrown under the bus to attract more viewers. And who are those? Women? Milennials?
They have ruined the whole thing.
A
anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
Guest
From the article:
"Nickelodeon happened to be airing Peppa the Pig head to head for a bit on cable in the nine AM hour. And Peppa the Pig just dunked on ESPN all balls to the face style, posting 753k total viewers. That’s triple what ESPN did in the same hour. (Peppa, get your agent on the phone, stat, you should be making $45 million a year!)"
Don’t sleep on Peppa Pig - my kids watch every morning (and my DVR is always stocked with at least 10 episodes). It’s an awesome show - especially Daddy Pig...
IMO there is simply no need for specialty channels that dedicate 24 hours to a particular topic any longer and that includes things like news, music and weather which is why you've seen a change in the programming of those networks over the last decade and a half. Channels like espn, mtv, 24/7 news, the weather channel were born pre-internet and were where you could go to get the most up to date info. Problem is that when that need evaporated the channels didn't cease to be - too much money invested so now they live on way past their prime rotting away from the inside.
I still think that once Kiana Tom was gone and there are plenty of replacements things have been doomed!!!
ESPN has made so many poor decisions related to their viewership that is hard to count. Not only have they seemingly been determined to become "hipper, younger, and different," to appeal to a supposed younger generation of viewers(that don't watch anyway), they have begun to insert political and social commentary into sports. Let's face it, to a large degree the average "sportscenter" fan is a burly white guy who probably doesn't have too many occupations in his life. If you have time to watch sportscenter religiously, I just question how busy you are in other areas of your life. This type of person is not quite as determined to constantly hear about Colin Kaepernick and social justice topics on their sports channel. Nor are they interested in probably 80% of what Jamelle Hill has to say. You want to call it racist or sexist? I'm fine with that, call it that, but it has hampered ratings for sure. There is a reason that certain industries hire a certain "look" to be their face or sell their product. Whether right or wrong, there is a reason 85% of pharmaceutical sales reps are attractive blonde women, its just the facts of life and sometimes it cuts both ways.
Secondly, ESPN at some point allowed the "talent" to become bigger than the content.....actually, bigger than the network. You have highly compensated employees with sexual harassment claims, speaking freely about politics, and even criticizing the very organization they work for. Here is Michael Smith, Co-host of the now defunct "SC6" talking about his Co-host being reassigned to a different format(mind you she makes MILLIONS):
“There was a time we weren’t even talking to each other (on the program) anymore,” Smith told Miller. “Like no more Michael and Jemele, not less, not here and there. No more Michael and Jemele talking. No more of their commentary. It’s just strictly live shots and analysts. That’s what pissed me off so much.
“I’m like, so wait a second, you all acknowledge that one of the strengths that we have going for us as a show is Michael and Jemele’s chemistry, but Michael and Jemele don’t (expletive) talk to each other? How does that make sense?”
Would anybody expect to speak out on their organization like this and still keep their job? Oh and Michael,the viewership did not care for your "commentaries," so ESPN did what businesses do, they appealed to their viewership(customers). The talent at ESPN has been too compensated, opinionated, and piloted for too long. Its a sports network, their viewers want to see sports, not hear new catch phrases, not endlessly hear about social justice matters, not listen to the political rantings of "hip, young, fresh" talent. Viewership and ratings are the game. ESPN can do whatever they want, but when you lose sight of your customer base, the well becomes dry.
Secondly, ESPN at some point allowed the "talent" to become bigger than the content.....actually, bigger than the network. You have highly compensated employees with sexual harassment claims, speaking freely about politics, and even criticizing the very organization they work for. Here is Michael Smith, Co-host of the now defunct "SC6" talking about his Co-host being reassigned to a different format(mind you she makes MILLIONS):
“There was a time we weren’t even talking to each other (on the program) anymore,” Smith told Miller. “Like no more Michael and Jemele, not less, not here and there. No more Michael and Jemele talking. No more of their commentary. It’s just strictly live shots and analysts. That’s what pissed me off so much.
“I’m like, so wait a second, you all acknowledge that one of the strengths that we have going for us as a show is Michael and Jemele’s chemistry, but Michael and Jemele don’t (expletive) talk to each other? How does that make sense?”
Would anybody expect to speak out on their organization like this and still keep their job? Oh and Michael,the viewership did not care for your "commentaries," so ESPN did what businesses do, they appealed to their viewership(customers). The talent at ESPN has been too compensated, opinionated, and piloted for too long. Its a sports network, their viewers want to see sports, not hear new catch phrases, not endlessly hear about social justice matters, not listen to the political rantings of "hip, young, fresh" talent. Viewership and ratings are the game. ESPN can do whatever they want, but when you lose sight of your customer base, the well becomes dry.
Last edited:
A
anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
Guest
The ‘This is SportsCenter’ ad campaign was too clever for its own good and was really the beginning of the end - after that, it was all about ESPN talent, beginning with Patrick and Olbermann.
ESPN jumps the shark every time that they make a "business decision" to attack an institution/fanbase, rather than sticking with sports. I will watch a sports event if ESPN is the only venue, but other than that I avoid all ESPN programming/internet/radio etc. And its been 7 years...
ESPN simply hired and invested in the wrong people for what they wanted to do. They didn't want people that promoted social firestorms, they wanted people that could raise issues and talk about them without all of that. So you tab Michael and Jemelle for that? That's LOL bad casting.
But here's the thing, LeBetard (or LeRetard, as I call him) does the same thing. But he doesn't take it as far (at least on social media), and he isn't black himself. And that matters, despite what anyone says. That guy thinks he is on a social justice network but he is on a sports network. So he tries to wrap sports around his true agenda to get it on ESPN. He likes to say people don't get his show, but in reality he does not get what a sports programming network is. There are media avenues for what he wants to do and I have no issue with him being there with that purpose. But using a sports network, and a sports show, to simply talk about social issues as many times as he can is simply wrong. And ESPN is culpable.
BTW, John Weiner (aka Stu Gotz) is about the dumbest person I have ever heard anywhere, which of course is saying a lot. He and Golic's son are truly awful in every way, and to ESPN it makes perfect sense to pair both of them up as much as they can. ESPN gets what they deserve for this inevitable train wreck, but it is a bit astonishing that even ESPN can be so obtuse about all this.
Here endeth the manifesto.
But here's the thing, LeBetard (or LeRetard, as I call him) does the same thing. But he doesn't take it as far (at least on social media), and he isn't black himself. And that matters, despite what anyone says. That guy thinks he is on a social justice network but he is on a sports network. So he tries to wrap sports around his true agenda to get it on ESPN. He likes to say people don't get his show, but in reality he does not get what a sports programming network is. There are media avenues for what he wants to do and I have no issue with him being there with that purpose. But using a sports network, and a sports show, to simply talk about social issues as many times as he can is simply wrong. And ESPN is culpable.
BTW, John Weiner (aka Stu Gotz) is about the dumbest person I have ever heard anywhere, which of course is saying a lot. He and Golic's son are truly awful in every way, and to ESPN it makes perfect sense to pair both of them up as much as they can. ESPN gets what they deserve for this inevitable train wreck, but it is a bit astonishing that even ESPN can be so obtuse about all this.
Here endeth the manifesto.
A
anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
Guest
The people they’re trying to reach with their programming aren’t listening to the radio or watching on TV. They likely participate or engage via social media if at all, and unless you’re Facebook, it’s been hard to monetize those platforms. People who watch SportsCenter are likely older (and aging) white guys who don’t care about social issues and especially hate feeling demonized. Like most folks here I think.
There are 24 hour news networks? Name one and I will watch it. All I can find are shows stations that are 90% politics and people talking over one another.
A
anon_1eeb2b426hv3y
Guest
Yeah, and I’m hopeful that those in ESPN’s target audience (men 18-45ish) watching TV at nine am are far outnumbered by tikes learning how to mispronounce “zebra” like the British.
3:1? It was a funny comparison and helped stick it to ESPN, but... I think Peppa’s numbers are lower based on on-demand and DVR use...
Last edited by a moderator:
A
anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
Guest
My morning consist of waking up, going to the guest bathroom with my phone, taking my morning poop and looking through the ESPN app. I wish there was a better app, but it works for me. I filter my teams, so I get their scores first. I can check out highlights. then I peruse through general sports related stories in the "news" section. No need watch sportscenter and wait for 25 minutes for my teams to cycle through. before the log hits the water, I have the important stuff down.
THIS is the problem with ESPN in my opinion. Has nothing to do with solely hating shows, or solely hating personalities. It's all about convenience and speed first, then additional hatred for shows or personalities or the network as a whole. Why watch something for 30 minutes to see what you want, when you can use your phone or computer to find it in 90 seconds. it's like the old school listening to the top 20 countdown on the radio with your finger hovering over the record button with your blank cassette in. Internet radio, Pandora, spotify, iTunes music has basically made traditional radio obsolete. I can download my favorite songs, or pick "stations" on Pandora that play the majority of my favorite bands. why listen to traditional radio to hear music where I like every 5th song?
THIS is the problem with ESPN in my opinion. Has nothing to do with solely hating shows, or solely hating personalities. It's all about convenience and speed first, then additional hatred for shows or personalities or the network as a whole. Why watch something for 30 minutes to see what you want, when you can use your phone or computer to find it in 90 seconds. it's like the old school listening to the top 20 countdown on the radio with your finger hovering over the record button with your blank cassette in. Internet radio, Pandora, spotify, iTunes music has basically made traditional radio obsolete. I can download my favorite songs, or pick "stations" on Pandora that play the majority of my favorite bands. why listen to traditional radio to hear music where I like every 5th song?
Trey Wingo is that jackass guy in the office who always thinks he has a better story than you no matter what the discussion is about.
That show is a train wreck now with him trampling on every other sentence of any guest they have on.
That show is a train wreck now with him trampling on every other sentence of any guest they have on.
Does she say that when she’s in the shopping trolley?
We were talking about this today around the water cooler. That saying is as old as this show. I haven't seen it yet but the reviews are crushing it. Who is at home watching tv at that time of the morning anyway? I can see pushing the radio show on tv at same time. Very little added cost. I believe this will fail like many other recent ESPN attempts. I liked Greeny with Golic (I know most of you hate them since the Sandusky Scandal) but I am not going to tune into this.
https://www.theringer.com/sports/2018/4/2/17188858/get-up-espn-morning-show-review-mike-greenberg
https://www.theringer.com/sports/2018/4/2/17188858/get-up-espn-morning-show-review-mike-greenberg
100% agree. Wingo is terrible. I actually enjoyed Mike and Mike (insert that gasp emoji here)
But Wingo tries to one up EVERYTHING and will completley interrupt the flow of conversation anytime he has a thought pop in his head. So many times the guest or Golic has had to say something like "but getting back to what I was saying...."
And it could be a personal thing but listening to him talk about college sports or NBA, or MLB just doesn't come across believable. You can tell he knows the NFL. Anything else and it might as well be me on the show talking sports.
Sounds like Greeny leaving is going to be the downfall of two different programs based on these ratings.
I wonder if Greeny leaving Mike & Mike was his idea or ESPNs. I think I read it was ESPNs idea but I could be wrong.
Maybe I'm just aging out of the demographic but I just don't get the appeal of ESPN anymore. If they're showing a game I'm interested in then obviously I want to see it ub other than that, no. And even if it's a game I want to see their coverage is usually bad.
Notice how they constantly have a crawl going across the bottom of the screen during a game? First it will show some college football scores. Then some NFL news. Then some hockey scores. Then some basketball scores. Then some tennis news. Yadda, yadda. Then it'll go back to the start of the loop,
What is the point of this? I think I finally figure it out. It's marketing. ESPN is a sports network and thus they are CONSTANTLY selling you sports, all of them (although they sell harder the events that will be on ESPN or ESPN2 or ESPN News or ESPN Classic or ABC).
I'm waiting for ESPN to start a channel named ESPN-JTG. JTG stands for "Just The Game." On that channel, when ESPN shows a game they'll just show you the game instead of all manner of other unrelated BS.
Maybe I'm just aging out of the demographic but I just don't get the appeal of ESPN anymore. If they're showing a game I'm interested in then obviously I want to see it ub other than that, no. And even if it's a game I want to see their coverage is usually bad.
Notice how they constantly have a crawl going across the bottom of the screen during a game? First it will show some college football scores. Then some NFL news. Then some hockey scores. Then some basketball scores. Then some tennis news. Yadda, yadda. Then it'll go back to the start of the loop,
What is the point of this? I think I finally figure it out. It's marketing. ESPN is a sports network and thus they are CONSTANTLY selling you sports, all of them (although they sell harder the events that will be on ESPN or ESPN2 or ESPN News or ESPN Classic or ABC).
I'm waiting for ESPN to start a channel named ESPN-JTG. JTG stands for "Just The Game." On that channel, when ESPN shows a game they'll just show you the game instead of all manner of other unrelated BS.
When ESPN radio became a 'hit' I don't know why they didn't just simulcast everything on ESPNews or just renamed that to ESPNradio on TV or something. I feel all the channel juggling for their shows was annoying and lead to less viewers alltogether.
