In a 12 team playoff you must have 2 loss teams. This logic doesn't make sense. 11-2 Ohio State with 2 losses to #1 Oregon including by 1 on the should and will be the 5 seed
ESPN's Finebaum / MadDog attack Big Ten and Penn State
- Thread starter Richie O
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ESPNs financial stake in the SEC is evident in their recent commentary.
We played Washington, which played UM in the NCG last year. We played USC out there. At Wisconsin. At Minnesota. At WVU. A ranked Illinois team. And OSU. Both UCLA and Purdue are programs with proud traditions. On paper, that's a great schedule.
Nobody knows how good a team is going to be when the schedules are made. That's true now, more than ever. Look at IU!!
Finebaum is a whiner. The fact is, none of the SEC teams have stood out as truly elite.
We had our best chance in a long time to beat OSU. The team has seemed very focused since then. I hope we play an SEC team, at home. I think we'll win!
When WVU is your "BIG" non-conference game you need to do better. It's that simple.
Our non-conference schedule only gets worse and that's unacceptable
I agree with you though--I hope we get an SEC team at home and I think we win (unless it's UGa)
Odd that they forget to bring up the longhorns. The SEC is better at this than the B1G. They can spin it and get the press behind them. To them USC, Minny, Whisky & Washington suck, but Kentucky, Vandy, Fla, & USC would win the B1G.
They've already moved on from dissing Indy and consider them out if they lose this week. They've now set their aim at PSU. They want USC and Ta&m in along with the rest of their
Who are they putting above us? Indiana who has a terrible schedule. Notre Dame lost to Northern Illinois. Alabama. Georgia and Ole Miss?? They all have two losses. You can't just do this bs subjectivity crap and do your rankings based on who you think is better. Hell with that approach Oregon and Texas should not be at the top. Put their beloved legacy SEC teams 1 2 and 3. Hey I think Georgia can beat anybody in the playoffs, screw it that they have 2 losses. Jstfu.
There are currently only 11 teams in all of FBS football with fewer than 2 losses.
That's like saying Iowa shouldn't play Iowa State. I'll take your word on the future NC schedule, as I haven't looked at it. It'll be interesting, as time goes on, to see what the trend will be, nationally.
I think the SEC, probably because of NIL, is even more competitive than ever, but I think the talent is spread around. I think we match up well enough. We may lose, but if we play well, I like our chances against anybody. Heck, I hope we play OSU again! They should have beaten Oregon and lost to us.
The ONLY thing I can think about Texas (remember I think we should be 3) is that they still have A&M so they get a second high level game whereas we only played Ohio State.
I really think Indiana's going to get embarrassed on Saturday. I think this is an angry Ohio State team because of the past couple years. Indiana and Michigan are in trouble.
Indiana is pissed, though. Talk about no respect from anybody. Cignetti will have them ready, no doubt. He is not afraid of the moment, dude is tough and no bs. He is a better coach than Day. Heck, Day has made his career beating Franklin. Take that away and he ain't got much. I think OSU wins but Indiana will give them a game.
I think Cignetti will have them ready. I don't think it matters is Ohio State is ready.
We see Indiana differently which is fine. With their schedule we're all guessing. I got Ohio State at -12 and couldn't feel better about that.
While the media isn't respecting Indiana--the polls are.
My favorite quote from Bill Connelly at ESPN: "Maybe the most important point to remember, though? If one of these four SEC teams is left out in two weeks, the snubbed team still will have lost twice. They could have saved themselves by not doing that."
I agree that there will be 2-loss teams getting at-large bids, and there will be 2-loss teams getting left out, but the latter have no right to complain, IMHO
I don't know how Indiana's defense will hold up against the OSU WRs. Rourke can play and they have some WRs. OSU will shut their run game down like Michigan did.
It will be interesting to see how 2023 JMU does in this game. My guess is that it won't be too good.
There was a thought back in the days of 11 game schedules and 8 conference games that the 3 OOC games for PSU would be split as follows: 1 for a former eastern rival, 1 for a national rival, and 1 for a pay-to-play home game.
This is harder with a 12 game - 9 conference game schedule because every other year the conference only gives 4 home games, so I think Franklin is working toward 1 former eastern rival and 2 pay-to-play home games. When the "eastern rival" is Temple, this is weakness.
PSU used to be able to count on playing OSU and UM every year, plus either Wisconsin or Iowa who would be strong, but that's no longer the case as we are seeing this season. Hopefully Franklin will see the light and replace "eastern rival" with a tough national rival in the OOC schedule.
We can schedule Mercer when we schedule like Bama
Check out their future schedules with two P5 teams in additional to playing the SEC schedule
Then check out our pathetic schedules
They have Ohio State, Florida State and Notre Dame on their future schedules--we have Nevada, Temple and Syracuse as our "big" game
Add one legit team and we can play Mercer--who could probably beat Kent State
I'll believe that when I see it--I don't think any legit SEC/Big Ten is left out with 2 losses. Indiana is the lone exception to that
The other conferences aren't relevant.
One of the two loss teams is going to be left out from either the B10 or SEC. If we lose a second time which we won't then it would come down to us vs Tenn or also A&M if they beat Texas. This assumes Bama, Georgia and Ole Miss win out along with ND. Indiana a lock barring getting beaten down by OSU. The bottom line is there will be a two loss SEC or 2 loss Penn State left out and I think it is us.
I think you are correct about OSU. I think Day actually tries to run it up. The benefit of getting a bye or being the 5 seed are enormous. He cannot afford to eke out a win and possibly slip to 6 or 7 where he will play Bama, Georgia or Ole Miss as opposed to 12th seed BYU, SMU or Colorado etc.
Right now you put all the points up you can as "style" points are important. The committee doesn't watch all of the games, so the final score is what matters.
They won't be--you all stress about things so far in advance
There won't be a 2 loss SEC or Big Ten team out other than Indiana--who's in danger with a loss due to their SOS
Agreed--he wants nothing to do with any of those teams. If he drops a first round playoff game (especially at home)--watch out
Indiana is going to drop precipitously if they don't keep it marginally competitive. I mean seriously, their best win is Washington (6-5). They are going to drop behind 2-loss Tennessee if they don't keep it mildly competitive.
Where is Tennessee now? So Texas plays Bama in the SEC ccg and loses. There will be a two loss SEC team out and it will be Tennessee. Indiana plays Ohio State tough to even somewhat tough (lose by 14pts) or even beats them then again Tennessee is out. So at the very least you have to admit that scenarios are out there and not far fetched that a two loss SEC team (Tennessee) is left out.
Oregon beats OSU in ccgthey are #1
Bama beats Texas in CCG they are #2
Miami #3
SMU #4
Ohio State #5
Penn State #6
ND #7
Georgia #8
Texas #9
Ole Miss #10
Indiana #11
Boise State #12
They can't get blown out. I think that means keep it a two score game possibly within 17 and they hang in at 11.
tOSU's center being out may have an impact on tOSU's ability to run the ball and pass protect. I still expect tOSU to win comfortably against IU, but it could cause tOSU real problems in the playoffs.
I am skeptical that their center being out has any effect on their performance.
Apparently the replacement was a starter last year. I am fairly certain there will be no drop off in their O-Line play. Remember, OSU has depth on top of depth, all 4 star guys and higher. That is why they are so good, talent all over and into the 3rd string. Remember they were supposed to have a shaky O-Line versus us due to injuries and of course no effect at all and they pushed us around.
Why? With the transfer portal, plus NIL, schedules are going to be a complete crapshoot moving forward because teams can change so much year to year. On paper next years schedule is much tougher than this year's, even with the 3 cupcakes. A middle of the pack p4 school like WVU would be preferable but I don't see the benefit of adding someone like Texas to a portion of the schedule where you're still figuring things out, maybe with a new starter.
We play 3 of the current top 5 teams in the country plus an always fun trip to Kinnick (beers on me if anyone wants to go get called a Pedo for 5 or 6 hours on a Saturday next fall). Next year is always Nebraska's year, so maybe next year is Nebraska's year.
Can everyone stop worrying about "now"?
Florida State was IN before they BEAT Louisville in the ACC title game then got dropped. The SEC will continue to climb--others will drop.
Indiana is out--we'd be playing Tennessee but that won't hold either
You also have 2 ACC teams--change SMU or Miami to a Big XII team
I think all these scenarios are far fetched as I've been saying for weeks
We literally have people here that think we're in trouble if we win out.
The effort matters. Texas will get credit for scheduling Michigan this year.
Our non-conference schedule is beyond pathetic--why are you defending playing scared?
We have to schedule better. Oregon and Ohio State are the only "big games" on our schedule next year.
No one gets credit for playing teams that fell off from what they were the previous year.
I said I don’t see the benefit. I don’t think the risk reward is there. Especially with Oregon and OSU on the schedule next year. They’re not going to fall off. Split those games and you’re in. Playoff is the goal.
Not for teams that fell off--like no one cares if someone is playing SMU or BYU or Indiana for example next year
But when you schedule a Michigan or a Penn State you're going to get credit for it
We simply disagree--if we lose both those games (recently history suggests that's likely) we better have a quality win and that's unlikely.
Indiana played Michigan and gets no credit. I know you’re going to say it’s different because it’s in conf vs out, not that sos differentiates.
I agree if we lose both we are probably out.
Ohio state has a two game season next year as well.
Because it's not a non-conference game--it wasn't "scheduled" it was assigned.
Ohio State has Texas in their non-conference slate--they'll get an insane amount of credit for scheduling that
Ohio State has Texas, Bama and Georgia as non-conference opponents coming up--we have....literally no one worth mentioning.
You don’t get an a for effort on out of conference. Every comparison I’ve seen between our resume and Texas points out we have the only somewhat “quality” win and is usually followed by some form of it hurts Texas that Michigan isn’t good.
They do--just like I gave us credit when we scheduled Auburn even though they were awful. You get credit for trying.
Yet Texas remains ahead of us because they tried--we should be 3rd but when WVU is your BIG game non-conference you're not getting any kind of love for that
I believe you will be shown to be incorrect. It may not show up against Indiana, but it will be a major problem for them in the playoffs. Penn State would have beaten tOSU if their center didn’t play in that game.
