FC: CA to NCAA, "It's on." (link)

[PSU2UNC]

Try reading and comprehending the law before spouting off about it.

With this law no money is going from any school, school budget, athletic department budget etc. within the university to any student athlete.

From the linked article,"...will let college athletes hire agents and make money from endorsements — a move that could upend amateur sports in the U.S. and trigger a legal challenge.

Under the law, which takes effect in 2023, students at public and private universities in the state will be allowed to sign deals with sneaker companies, soft drink makers or other advertisers and profit from their names and likenesses, just like the pros."

This law takes no money from any smaller sport or women's sport - it only allows the student athletes to make money from 3rd parties as referenced above.

Understood, but here is a problem that blurs the line between endorsements and paying a salary.

5 star recruit is considering Alabama and Bob's Used Car Lot of Tuscaloosa offers him an endorsement deal (TV ads, etc) for $250K.

Now Jeff Bezos (proud U of New Mexico grad) comes in a offers him an endorsement deal with Amazon for $2.5M.

You think that is OK? I don't.

 

[Woodpecker]

Those CA teams are going to be really good because the best players can go there and cash in But will other teams be permitted to play against them?

 

[Waste Management Consultant]

sorry, but if you think that the NCAA is going to just roll over and let their Billion dollar industry be shut down by some state legislators you're crazy.

It’s all the big money deep pockets that politicians are beholden to. Sure the NCAA will go out back for a fight, but they will be the one coming back bloodied, beaten and very very different from what they are now.

 

[PS4814]

Understood, but here is a problem that blurs the line between endorsements and paying a salary.

5 star recruit is considering Alabama and Bob's Used Car Lot of Tuscaloosa offers him an endorsement deal (TV ads, etc) for $250K.

Now Jeff Bezos (proud U of New Mexico grad) comes in a offers him an endorsement deal with Amazon for $2.5M.

You think that is OK? I don't.

If the kid is willing to play at U of New Mexico why not? Does he feel the school has the education he is looking for? Does he feel it will help him to reach his goals? Maybe he wants to play in the SEC regardless and is willing to take the lesser amount.

I'm sorry but I thought this was America where capitalism is king, greed is good, and people should always look out for #1 - except if you're a student athlete (indentured servant) apparently .

You think it's okay that schools and the NCAA earn millions on the backs of these kids while claiming it's all about the "education"? Why should they be the only ones profiting in this scenario.

Get real.

Think of all the advertisements plastered across beaver stadium the blaisealexander sign behind Franklin, hell even the Nike logo on the players uniforms and that's just the obvious sponsorship dollars that the university is raking in let alone the media rights etc.

Why should players not be allowed to make money off their own name and likeness?

 

[BobPSU92]

The California law goes into effect in 2023. So we have three to four years for lawsuits and the associated OUTRAGE. . Can't wait.

 

[massimoManca II]

I'm older than 14. Thus, I don't need to use hashtags...

Anyone older than 14 should have a grasp of the proper usage

 

[PSU2UNC]

If the kid is willing to play at U of New Mexico why not? Does he feel the school has the education he is looking for? Does he feel it will help him to reach his goals? Maybe he wants to play in the SEC regardless and is willing to take the lesser amount.

I'm sorry but I thought this was America where capitalism is king, greed is good, and people should always look out for #1 - except if you're a student athlete (indentured servant) apparently .

You think it's okay that schools and the NCAA earn millions on the backs of these kids while claiming it's all about the "education"? Why should they be the only ones profiting in this scenario.

Get real.

Think of all the advertisements plastered across beaver stadium the blaisealexander sign behind Franklin, hell even the Nike logo on the players uniforms and that's just the obvious sponsorship dollars that the university is raking in let alone the media rights etc.

Why should players not be allowed to make money off their own name and likeness?

Why? Because of amateurism.

Students should choose where to go to school based on the education that they will get (and other factors: campus, social fit, distance from home, scholarship $$). Not because of who is willing to pay them the most.

The only way I can see this working is two fold:

1) Restrict endorsement deals to senior year students only. This will mostly remove the recruiting aspect (i.e. the example I provided above). Put the money in an interest bearing escrow account that they will receive when they get their degree.

2) In terms of selling autographs, jerseys etc, I guess that can be available to all students, but again, escrow account, only available after graduation.

 

[Madsol]

If the kid is willing to play at U of New Mexico why not? Does he feel the school has the education he is looking for? Does he feel it will help him to reach his goals? Maybe he wants to play in the SEC regardless and is willing to take the lesser amount.

I'm sorry but I thought this was America where capitalism is king, greed is good, and people should always look out for #1 - except if you're a student athlete (indentured servant) apparently .

You think it's okay that schools and the NCAA earn millions on the backs of these kids while claiming it's all about the "education"? Why should they be the only ones profiting in this scenario.

Get real.

Think of all the advertisements plastered across beaver stadium the blaisealexander sign behind Franklin, hell even the Nike logo on the players uniforms and that's just the obvious sponsorship dollars that the university is raking in let alone the media rights etc.

Why should players not be allowed to make money off their own name and likeness?

I probably agree with your position more than the other side, although I think you devalue the benefit of an education to an athlete. Nevertheless, I don't see how this doesn't lead to all out bidding for recruits. And maybe that's ok. Each of us will have to decide if it comes to that whether we continue following college football.

 

[interrobang]

For anyone who belongs to an HOA, the NCAA is an HOA for athletics. They certainly can make rules more strict that laws.

 

[PS4814]

Why? Because of amateurism.

Students should choose where to go to school based on the education that they will get (and other factors: campus, social fit, distance from home, scholarship $$). Not because of who is willing to pay them the most.

But that's exactly what is happening right now. You think that the best recruits just happen to wind up at certain schools? There has been many former 'croots from schools in the bible belt who have admitted to receiving benefits via the bag man and it has been taking place for decades.

Plus you want amateurism go watch the flag football team. Once schools started to make money on advertisements and media contracts amateurism went right out the window.

 

[NittPicker]

I probably agree with your position more than the other side, although I think you devalue the benefit of an education to an athlete. Nevertheless, I don't see how this doesn't lead to all out bidding for recruits. And maybe that's ok. Each of us will have to decide if it comes to that whether we continue following college football.

That's where I am right now. Five years from now will college football hold the same appeal if it's simply a de facto minor professional league? I know it'll never happen but I'd like to see a model similar to baseball. First the NFL would need to start a legitimate developmental league for young players which will never happen because it would require the NFL to part with its precious $$$. Players would decide if they want to follow the college route out of high school or jump directly into the professional game. If they choose the college route it would be with the understanding (and cooperation of the NFL) that they would not be eligible for the draft until a certain amount of time has passed. Part of that is already in place with the NFL not drafting anyone who is less than three years removed from high school.

 

[AvgUser]

It made me laugh when I read Emmert said the then proposed California law would be "unconstitutional". I assume he was alluding to the NCAA constitution which Emmert seems to think supersedes actual laws.

Well, you know, Herr Emmert did state that FactFreeh has subpoena power when he colluded with the PSU BOT.

 

[BudatPSU]

If this leads to the demise of emmert and his version of the ncaa, then I say go California or bust.

 

[Zenophile]

PAC 12 responds

 

[osu68]

California to let college athletes make money, defying NCAA

Or give them a one time entrance choice of 'full grant in aid' v/ 'revenue stream from likeness' and the athlete pays the full cost of his/her/They education??? Accountability anyone? Risk v reward?

 

[PS4814]

Or give them a one time entrance choice of 'full grant in aid' v/ 'revenue stream from likeness' and the athlete pays the full cost of his/her/They education??? Accountability anyone? Risk v reward?

Again, this law has nothing to do with schools putting out money for student athletes, it is only for student athletes making money from 3rd parties. Why would the school make the scholarship dependent on if the student is making money from another entity on their likeness?

 

[Madsol]

Why would anyone even think of such a stupid idea?

Probably the same reason someone like you thought he could actually generate public support for a spot on the BOT.

 

[PSU2UNC]

Or give them a one time entrance choice of 'full grant in aid' v/ 'revenue stream from likeness' and the athlete pays the full cost of his/her/They education??? Accountability anyone? Risk v reward?

I like this from a theoretical perspective, but I feel like the vast majority of students would choose incorrectly and then have to withdraw from school.

 

[Kiber]

As much as I hate Emmert and the NCAA, I think this has all the makings of a gigantic cluster-f@*k. If there is one entity more corrupt, more idiotic, more top heavy, more incompetent.... than the NCAA, it's the government. So what we have is the CA Gov't stepping in and passing legislation that will effect the NCAA. Compared to the government, the NCAA operates like a $50,000 Rolex.

There are going to be so many loopholes and "grey" areas involved with this, that come 2023 the NCAA as a whole, will make the old Southwest Conference of the 70s & 80s look like a bunch of ethical choir boys.

 

[RGWhirly]

Hate NCAA but feel this will be horrible. So you get some kid that is considering Penn State, Washington, Texas, Bama, USC. Snoop Dogg offers the kid an endorsement deal of $1M if he comes to USC. Some schools, some boosters, etc. are already shady however this really will tip the scale to CA schools. Only short time before other states follow the same. Again, hate the NCAA however cannot see how this ends well, even if it is the demise of them.

 

[L.A.Lion]

As much as I hate Emmert and the NCAA, I think this has all the makings of a gigantic cluster-f@*k. If there is one entity more corrupt, more idiotic, more top heavy, more incompetent.... than the NCAA, it's the government. So what we have is the CA Gov't stepping in and passing legislation that will effect the NCAA. Compared to the government, the NCAA operates like a $50,000 Rolex.

There are going to be so many loopholes and "grey" areas involved with this, that come 2023 the NCAA as a whole, will make the old Southwest Conference of the 70s & 80s look like a bunch of ethical choir boys.

Have you read the statute?

 

[lionville]

I really don't see how one can say "the government is stepping in" and taking over in any significant degree...…. they are simply saying that the NCAA cannot (at least within their jurisdiction) continue to operate in - as of 2023 - an illegal manner.
They are not - at least from this legislation - saying they are going to "operate" or govern over college sports.


My guess is that, when and if push comes to shove - the NCAA will contort themselves to comply with such provisions, in whatever way they can imagine will continue to best serve their self-interests.
And the legislature - of CA or any other state that jumps in - will move on to whatever new "issues" bring the most PR to their respective politicians.




But, of course, time will tell.

Well, the state/federal government will get its share via income taxes, where the current business model (IE: the bag man) doesn't allow them their cut.

 

[L.A.Lion]

Hate NCAA but feel this will be horrible. So you get some kid that is considering Penn State, Washington, Texas, Bama, USC. Snoop Dogg offers the kid an endorsement deal of $1M if he comes to USC. Some schools, some boosters, etc. are already shady however this really will tip the scale to CA schools. Only short time before other states follow the same. Again, hate the NCAA however cannot see how this ends well, even if it is the demise of them.

I’m sure Masser will step up and offer 5 star kids big fat contracts to endorse his Sacramento spuds. I can see the branding possibilities already: Penn Stater Taters!

 

[Kiber]

Hate NCAA but feel this will be horrible. So you get some kid that is considering Penn State, Washington, Texas, Bama, USC. Snoop Dogg offers the kid an endorsement deal of $1M if he comes to USC. Some schools, some boosters, etc. are already shady however this really will tip the scale to CA schools. Only short time before other states follow the same. Again, hate the NCAA however cannot see how this ends well, even if it is the demise of them.

Exactly.... What is stopping the shoe companies from doing in 2023 exactly what so many of the BB programs just got into trouble for with the FBI sting last year.

Let's say that the #1 QB in the country is considering USC (Nike school), Notre Dame (Addidas school), and Maryland (UA school).... what is stopping any of those schools from stepping in and promising the #1 QB in the country a big time endorsement deal if he choices their school.

The only difference between the FBI sting last year and this scenario in 2023 is that come 2023 it can be out in the open and the coaches don't need to be involved. Recruiting can just come down to the program with the largest and deepest group of sponsors willing to write the endorsement checks.

 

[L.A.Lion]

But only if he can get the Government to pay for it (Masser's enterprises are the SINGLE BIGGEST RECIPIENT of Agricultural Welfare in the Commonwealth of PA..... you can look it up).

Another one of those Business Geniuses that cling to the PSU BOT.

If ever a man were a perfect fit for his profession, it’s this clown. I’ve never seen a cranium shaped more like a potato than his. Hasbro should pay him to endorse Mr Potato Head.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

This was bound to happen. If it spreads to other states I won’t be surprised. When it does boosters will see to it their schools get the athletes they can buy.

I am not sure that the PAC 12 press release is right about the big losers being Olympic sport athletes and women’s athletics. I don’t care if women’s athletics dies. So if it does, fine with me. However, Olympic sports can follow this booster paid model and keep the outstanding Olympic sports program alive.

This should hasten the demise of conferences. There will be no need for them in football, track, basketball, or any other sports where boosters will have an interest in paying to get a top athlete. The top 40 or so programs will eventually dump their poor brethren and go on their own as a minor league for football and these sports.

Will the college sport suffer? No question in my mind. Why? For the same reason many of us don’t go to Harrisburg Senators games, minor league sports are minor league.

Will there be some schools forming a new NCAA that tells athletes they must contract in their acceptance of their offer letter that they will forego these payments? Perhaps. Will some of us gravitate to those programs that do that? Perhaps. Will those programs look like the Ivy League when it comes to the level of play and support? Most likely.

The days of 100,000 seat stadiums, tailgating, homecoming weekends, etc. is coming to an end soon.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

This was bound to happen. If it spreads to other states I won’t be surprised. When it does boosters will see to it their schools get the athletes they can buy.

I am not sure that the PAC 12 press release is right about the big losers being Olympic sport athletes and women’s athletics. I don’t care if women’s athletics dies. So if it does, fine with me. However, Olympic sports can follow this booster paid model and keep the outstanding Olympic sports program alive.

This should hasten the demise of conferences. There will be no need for them in football, track, basketball, or any other sports where boosters will have an interest in paying to get a top athlete. The top 40 or so programs will eventually dump their poor brethren and go on their own as a minor league for football and these sports.

Will the college sport suffer? No question in my mind. Why? For the same reason many of us don’t go to Harrisburg Senators games, minor league sports are minor league.

Will there be some schools forming a new NCAA that tells athletes they must contract in their acceptance of their offer letter that they will forego these payments? Perhaps. Will some of us gravitate to those programs that do that? Perhaps. Will those programs look like the Ivy League when it comes to the level of play and support? Most likely.

The days of 100,000 seat stadiums, tailgating, homecoming weekends, etc. is coming to an end soon.

 

[L.A.Lion]

Dambly could pay kids to endorse Self-dealing Contracts.

 

[Waste Management Consultant]

If the kid is willing to play at U of New Mexico why not? Does he feel the school has the education he is looking for? Does he feel it will help him to reach his goals? Maybe he wants to play in the SEC regardless and is willing to take the lesser amount.

I'm sorry but I thought this was America where capitalism is king, greed is good, and people should always look out for #1 - except if you're a student athlete (indentured servant) apparently .

You think it's okay that schools and the NCAA earn millions on the backs of these kids while claiming it's all about the "education"? Why should they be the only ones profiting in this scenario.

Get real.

Think of all the advertisements plastered across beaver stadium the blaisealexander sign behind Franklin, hell even the Nike logo on the players uniforms and that's just the obvious sponsorship dollars that the university is raking in let alone the media rights etc.

Why should players not be allowed to make money off their own name and likeness?

Meanwhile....Mr.& Mrs. Middle Class Parents of non-athletes are struggling to make ends meet AND pay the ridiculous asking price of college tuition....

 

[PS4814]

Meanwhile....Mr.& Mrs. Middle Class Parents of non-athletes are struggling to make ends meet AND pay the ridiculous asking price of college tuition....

And how exactly does this point have anything to do with the issue at hand? The law has no impact on costs to schools. If mr and mrs middle class’s kid can get a sponsor to pay them while they’re going to college to study chemistry go for it.

 

[Waste Management Consultant]

And how exactly does this point have anything to do with the issue at hand? The law has no impact on costs to schools. If mr and mrs middle class’s kid can get a sponsor to pay them while they’re going to college to study chemistry go for it.

It has everything to do with it. Free tuition (scholarship) plus sponsorship $$, with much of that probably bagman deals with little to no actual sponsoring. You have to be kidding about the chemistry sponsorship right?

 

[paws1957]

I should have invested in popcorn futures.

Between this and politics it’s been a mad rush for the popcorn this year

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

It has everything to do with it. Free tuition (scholarship) plus sponsorship $$, with much of that probably bagman deals with little to no actual sponsoring. You have to be kidding about the chemistry sponsorship right?

That scholarship isn’t ‘free’. These athletes have 24/7/365 ‘jobs’. The difference between the athlete and the student on academic scholarship is one of them doesn’t have to dedicate half his time to a pursuit not related to his career goals.

 

[RickinDayton]

I probably agree with your position more than the other side, although I think you devalue the benefit of an education to an athlete. Nevertheless, I don't see how this doesn't lead to all out bidding for recruits. And maybe that's ok. Each of us will have to decide if it comes to that whether we continue following college football.

If it comes to that then I am done with college football.

 

[eidolon21]

This is just a huge money grab by the state of CA. Very high State Income taxes etc.
Please don't give Politicians in CAL any moral high ground on this.

 

[Waste Management Consultant]

That scholarship isn’t ‘free’. These athletes have 24/7/365 ‘jobs’. The difference between the athlete and the student on academic scholarship is one of them doesn’t have to dedicate half his time to a pursuit not related to his career goals.

Semantics Midnighter,

Plus the “academic scholarship” is a long cry from full ride athletic scholarships. But your point is true as far as time constraints. From Penn State web site for academic awards.

Penn State Scholarship Facts

• Penn State does not offer standard merit awards for students who fit particular profiles.
• Both Pennsylvania and non-Pennsylvania residents receive equal consideration for scholarships.
• Penn State scholarships comprise 9% of the available funding for undergraduate students.
• Approximately 6,700 first-year students receive a University scholarship (all campuses).
• 35% of first-year scholarship recipients are at University Park; the remaining 65% at Penn State campuses.
• Typical Penn State scholarships are between $1,500 to $3,000 per academic year.
• Approximately 15% of first-year students receive private scholarship support.

 

[jbenedict]

College athletes are preyed upon already by the money men. This is a quick come up for families gaining new homes ,cars, increased bank accounts, etc... This is done under the cover of darkness. Imagine when nothing needs to be hidden any longer. You can have high school kids becoming millionaires before they play one down of college football. Unbelievable!! Money corrupts everything. This begins the final countdown to the end of a game I loved growing up with in the 70's. Scholarships are not good enough any longer. Scholarships with stipends are not good enough. Oh well my time on this earth is getting shorter anyhow.

 

[gamblepsu]

And how exactly does this point have anything to do with the issue at hand? The law has no impact on costs to schools. If mr and mrs middle class’s kid can get a sponsor to pay them while they’re going to college to study chemistry go for it.

It has everything to do with it. Free tuition (scholarship) plus sponsorship $$, with much of that probably bagman deals with little to no actual sponsoring. You have to be kidding about the chemistry sponsorship right?

He still thinks there’s infinite money going around. This money will 90% or more come from the contracts the colleges otherwise would have gotten themselves and the 50th person on the roster at a non power conference school just lost their scholarship. Note- Psu will be fine. (Scholarships are endowed). Others not a chance.

 

[Eph97]

It would be cool if all the B1G states immediately passed similar laws stating players can get paid for their likeness in 2020. Sort of like how the midwest states lead the way in integration of college football. Would be nice to see the SEC states scrambling. Part of me thinks the southern coaches (Nick, Dabo) object so much to players getting paid legally and in the open because it would take away an advantage they currently enjoy.

 

[interrobang]

Big Ten won't pass such a thing. The Pac 12 and SEC have already come out with statements against such laws.