FC: CA to NCAA, "It's on." (link)

[PS4814]

It has everything to do with it. Free tuition (scholarship) plus sponsorship $$, with much of that probably bagman deals with little to no actual sponsoring. You have to be kidding about the chemistry sponsorship right?

Hey, you’re the one that apparently thinks this law will somehow cause more hurt for non-athlete students beyond the already established athletic scholarship system, even though it causes no change in any way to how student athletes are “compensated” by the college. So I figure why not suggest a company like DOW chemicals to sponsor certain students in college who would then work for them afterwards - there’s your parity.

 

[Waste Management Consultant]

Hey, you’re the one that apparently thinks this law will somehow cause more hurt for non-athlete students beyond the already established athletic scholarship system, even though it causes no change in any way to how student athletes are “compensated” by the college. So I figure why not suggest a company like DOW chemicals to sponsor certain students in college who would then work for them afterwards - there’s your parity.

I agree it is a wonderful idea for some corporations to “sponsor” students. And your point that there is zero change to the already established athlete tuition reduction format/system/university compensation. I disagree that any company, say Dow will sponsor Jimmy or Joe Chemistry student at least in any meaningful capacity as opposed to Trevor Lawrence who could possibly take in millions in outside money from Nike/Under Armour, etc. before leaving school. The poster who suggested an Escrow account might have be an idea. All I am saying is that the regular college kid has exponentially less chance of any outside “likeness/image” compensation and likely has student loans. Whereas the athletes are getting a tuition reduction benefit (scholarship) from the existing university endowments. Plus potentially huge endorsement money from outside. The point is I can see where this has potential to create some animosity on campuses.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

Or give them a one time entrance choice of 'full grant in aid' v/ 'revenue stream from likeness' and the athlete pays the full cost of his/her/They education??? Accountability anyone? Risk v reward?

A novel approach!

 

[HazletonLion]

What happens when your HB# 32, QB # 12, and WR # 82 , (for example), get all the endorsements . All of a sudden your OL and Defense, just isn't feelin' the love or money.
A QB # 12 can select his receiver # 82 or another WR, or call his own option on most goal line situations, especially RPO. Linemen can let their QB get killed in the pocket, or give a half hearted effort on their blocks when # 32 gets the ball. A lot of latitude for corruption here, and i'm not even getting into bootleg jerseys, or shoes.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

It made me laugh when I read Emmert said the then proposed California law would be "unconstitutional". I assume he was alluding to the NCAA constitution which Emmert seems to think supersedes actual laws.

The Constitution. Yet another document that Emmert has never read.

 

[lein]

If the State of Oregon passes this same law, how many national championships will Nike buy for U. of Oregon?

 

[HazletonLion]

Sweet Jeebzus.

Do Tom Brady’s linemen “ole” their pass blocks ‘cause Brady makes 20X as much $$$ as they do?


Good Lord.

All NFL players make money, only some college players will benefit from advertising. Besides don't block for Brady you'll be blocking in Cincy or Miami, good luck with that career, and bye bye SB $$$.

 

[PSUeng]

Is there a law that say any college athlete can not sign an endorsement deal? I do not think so, just NCAA rules that would make them unable to play in NCAA games. How does this law change anything.

 

[Big 0]

I believe the NCAA is preparing to ban the California schools from playing as NCAA entities, so I guess they will have to play each other in their own league.

I actually am for the athletes having money put in a trust fund for endorsement deals to help them out after school, but I am in the opinion that the cost of their room and board and tuition (scholarship funds they receive) should be subtracted from that. Also, maybe all the endorsement deals could be put into a general trust fund for all players to partake in. The guys on the scout team who may not see much playing time in games work just as hard as the superstars, if not more. I don’t know the specifics of the legislation, but maybe this is a part of it.

The law also may violate the interstate commerce clause, so it may be put on hold indefinitely until it can work its way through the court system and maybe up to the Supreme Court level.

 

[BobPSU92]

I believe the NCAA is preparing to ban the California schools from playing as NCAA entities, so I guess they will have to play each other in their own league.

I actually am for the athletes having money put in a trust fund for endorsement deals to help them out after school, but I am in the opinion that the cost of their room and board and tuition (scholarship funds they receive) should be subtracted from that. Also, maybe all the endorsement deals could be put into a general trust fund for all players to partake in. The guys on the scout team who may not see much playing time in games work just as hard as the superstars, if not more. I don’t know the specifics of the legislation, but maybe this is a part of it.

The law also may violate the interstate commerce clause, so it may be put on hold indefinitely until it can work its way through the court system and maybe up to the Supreme Court level.

There it starts. Then Texas passes such a law and its schools are banned from competition by the ncaa. Then another state, then another, and eventually, probably not too far off, there is a critical mass of schools that can tell the ncaa to go f*ck itself.

 

[PSU2UNC]

That scholarship isn’t ‘free’. These athletes have 24/7/365 ‘jobs’. The difference between the athlete and the student on academic scholarship is one of them doesn’t have to dedicate half his time to a pursuit not related to his career goals.

If you don't want to dedicate "half (your) time to a pursuit not related to (your) career goals)" (in other words: getting an education), then DON"T GO TO COLLEGE. I don't understand why this is difficult. College sports should not be a minor league. If you don't want to "play school" pick a sport that has a viable minor league (baseball, hockey....), or in some cases (basketball) go play overseas directly out of high school. Don't come to college if you don't want to go to college.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

If you don't want to dedicate "half (your) time to a pursuit not related to (your) career goals)" (in other words: getting an education), then DON"T GO TO COLLEGE. I don't understand why this is difficult. College sports should not be a minor league. If you don't want to "play school" pick a sport that has a viable minor league (baseball, hockey....), or in some cases (basketball) go play overseas directly out of high school. Don't come to college if you don't want to go to college.

Football players don't have that option. Telling them to pick another sport is the wrong side of wrong, as you'll see when this all shakes out. It's difficult because THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION FOR FOOTBALL PLAYERS. NONE. College sports are and have been a minor league for a long, long, long time. And not just in football and basketball.

 

[PSU2UNC]

Football players don't have that option. Telling them to pick another sport is the wrong side of wrong, as you'll see when this all shakes out. It's difficult because THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION FOR FOOTBALL PLAYERS. NONE. College sports are and have been a minor league for a long, long, long time. And not just in football and basketball.

Then the campaign should be for the NFL to start a minor league, not to professionalize college sports. Otherwise, athletes should accept that their four years in school (while getting a world class education in some cases) is their "unpaid internship" to get them a shot at the NFL.

 

[PS4814]

Football players don't have that option. Telling them to pick another sport is the wrong side of wrong, as you'll see when this all shakes out. It's difficult because THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION FOR FOOTBALL PLAYERS. NONE. College sports are and have been a minor league for a long, long, long time. And not just in football and basketball.

Then the campaign should be for the NFL to start a minor league, not to professionalize college sports. Otherwise, athletes should accept that their four years in school (while getting a world class education in some cases) is their "unpaid internship" to get them a shot at the NFL.

This is one reason I'm really hoping the XFL actually takes off this time. It could potentially provide another avenue for those kids that really don't care about the education but just want to play ball and get paid.

 

[interrobang]

Football players don't have that option. Telling them to pick another sport is the wrong side of wrong, as you'll see when this all shakes out. It's difficult because THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION FOR FOOTBALL PLAYERS. NONE. College sports are and have been a minor league for a long, long, long time. And not just in football and basketball.

There are arena leagues, semi-pro leagues. There are definitely options. Just no option as profitable as going to college.

 

[NittPicker]

Then the campaign should be for the NFL to start a minor league, not to professionalize college sports. Otherwise, athletes should accept that their four years in school (while getting a world class education in some cases) is their "unpaid internship" to get them a shot at the NFL.

That's why I'd like to see something similar to the baseball model which would require the NFL to start some sort of developmental league. A kid could get paid to hone his skills and develop physically without the charade of college. Or they could go to college with the understanding they would be ineligible for the draft until they meet certain criteria which for MLB is being a junior or being at least 21 years old. It'll never happen though because the NFL has no incentive to spend money on a developmental league.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Then the campaign should be for the NFL to start a minor league, not to professionalize college sports. Otherwise, athletes should accept that their four years in school (while getting a world class education in some cases) is their "unpaid internship" to get them a shot at the NFL.

LOL. College sports is and has been professionalized for everyone but the players. Unless you know of other athletic coaches who make eight digit salaries or the president of a *non-profit* oversight association who makes more than $2mm a year....

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

There are arena leagues, semi-pro leagues. There are definitely options. Just no option as profitable as going to college.

Really? And they will pay/accept HS players right out of HS?

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

This is one reason I'm really hoping the XFL actually takes off this time. It could potentially provide another avenue for those kids that really don't care about the education but just want to play ball and get paid.

That's 90% of players at big time football schools.

 

[PSU2UNC]

This is one reason I'm really hoping the XFL actually takes off this time. It could potentially provide another avenue for those kids that really don't care about the education but just want to play ball and get paid.

I think the fact that other professional football leagues (non-NFL, so minor league-ish) have not taken off, suggests that the players who are trying to monetize their names/likenesses don't matter.

In most sports, but especially college sports, we cheer for laundry (uniforms);not for players. I realize there are some exceptions to this, but I would watch every PSU game even if was an intramural flag football game. I don't care if the players are 4 or 5 star guys bound for the NFL.

 

[PSU2UNC]

LOL. College sports is and has been professionalized for everyone but the players. Unless you know of other athletic coaches who make eight digit salaries or the president of a *non-profit* oversight association who makes more than $2mm a year....

The IOC is on line 2....

 

[interrobang]

Really? And they will pay/accept HS players right out of HS?

Yes. Just have to be 18

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

The IOC is on line 2....

Let's start by taking a look at gymnastics; it is one of the most popular Olympic sports, though we won't see any gymnasts at the 2018 Winter Olympics. According to The Houston Chronicle, the average annual salary of a gymnastics coach in 2013 was $32,000, although the job search engine site Simply Hired estimates that this number has since decreased to just above $27,000.

Simply Hired also indicated that this figure varied on location — in New York, gymnastics coaches made an average of $38,000 per year, while in North Carolina, that number dropped to below $29,000.As of 2016, The Houston Chronicle reported, coaches and scouts were earning a median annual salary of $31,450, with the top 10 percent making over $50,000, according to Simply Hired.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Yes. Just have to be 18

Nice. Do they make millions and millions of dollars? Like these schools do on the backs of their players?

 

[interrobang]

Nice. Do they make millions and millions of dollars? Like these schools do on the backs of their players?

You're changing the subject. The fact is there are options to play football prior to being NFL-eligible other than going to college.

 

[eidolon21]

Question A player from Nevada goes to USC. In his third year he signs a $2M shoe endorsement. Under the CA Law where does he pay taxes (State and/or City).
I mentioned this above but I am sure CA expects to get a huge amount of Taxes from College Football and Basketball based on this. Right now I am sure kids going to the NFL and NBA are told to move out of CA by the sports agents.

 

[PSU2UNC]

Nice. Do they make millions and millions of dollars? Like these schools do on the backs of their players?

The schools make millions of dollars because there is demand.

If this bothers you, stop watching games on TV. That's where the money comes from.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

You're changing the subject. The fact is there are options to play football prior to being NFL-eligible other than going to college.

Ok. But the subject isn't if there is 'an' option; it's are the players getting what they're worth while in college.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

The schools make millions of dollars because there is demand.

If this bothers you, stop watching games on TV. That's where the money comes from.

I'm not the one whining about never watching again if/when players get paid.

Paying players bothers you - sorry to say, it's the future. Bye.

 

[Big 0]

My wife has now chimed in on the subject, and for once I agree with her on sports, which she doesn’t know a lot about.

She said the California schools could start their own conference/league and invite other big name schools to join like Bama, OSU, UM, UF, Clemson, Penn State, etc. and be in the same situation as the CA schools with respect to athletes compensation. Might just be football, football and basketball, etc. I don’t know if they would have to adhere to the same title IX rules that the “amateur” sports have to contend with. Very interesting scenarios could evolve from this, but many things would need to be worked out, and that takes time.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

My wife has now chimed in on the subject, and for once I agree with her on sports, which she doesn’t know a lot about.

She said the California schools could start their own conference/league and invite other big name schools to join like Bama, OSU, UM, UF, Clemson, Penn State, etc. and be in the same situation as the CA schools with respect to athletes compensation. Might just be football, football and basketball, etc. I don’t know if they would have to adhere to the same title IX rules that the “amateur” sports have to contend with. Very interesting scenarios could evolve from this, but many things would need to be worked out, and that takes time.

If this holds up, Alabama will be first in line to pass a similar law. Without Bama football, that state has ZERO to cling to.

 

[PSU2UNC]

Ok. But the subject isn't if there is 'an' option; it's are the players getting what they're worth while in college.

No one gets what they are worth while they in college (or grad school or your first job, probably). That's why it is a learning experience.

 

[PSU2UNC]

I'm not the one whining about never watching again if/when players get paid.

Paying players bothers you - sorry to say, it's the future. Bye.

It won't happen. Bye Felicia.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

It won't happen. Bye Felicia.

Someone discovered 'memes'....and yes it will. Pay attention.

 

[AWS1022]

I'm not the one whining about never watching again if/when players get paid.

Paying players bothers you - sorry to say, it's the future. Bye.

They’re already paid....apparently the question is how much they should get paid.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

They’re already paid....apparently the question is how much they should get paid.

If you mean paid via a 'scholarship', then I disagree. If you mean 'free cars and cash' via bagmen, I agree (at many schools). Read norm's article - would be pretty funny to see a school like Rutgers land top recruits because they will be able to sign endorsement agreements with agents in NYC. Will flip college football on its head.

 

[PS4814]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nc...-isnt-going-to-end/ar-AAI4RIY?ocid=spartanntp

This. I like and agree with all of this.

There are so many points in this article that I'd love to cut/paste but I guess I'll just encourage anyone that is against the law, is against student athletes making money on themselves, or feels that it will be the end of college football to read it with an open mind.

 

[AWS1022]

If you mean paid via a 'scholarship', then I disagree. If you mean 'free cars and cash' via bagmen, I agree (at many schools). Read norm's article - would be pretty funny to see a school like Rutgers land top recruits because they will be able to sign endorsement agreements with agents in NYC. Will flip college football on its head.

I mean paid legitimately...in terms of scholarships, stipends, merchandise, room and board, top notch extras that normal college students don’t get. My son played baseball and I saw all the extras they got, and that’s baseball...I can’t imagine everything football players get. They get far more than minor league baseball or hockey players, I promise you that.

 

[interrobang]

California isn't forcing the NCAA's hand at all. California is getting the credit for it, but the NCAA was already looking into it. Plus California's effective date is 2023.

 

[PSU2UNC]

If you mean paid via a 'scholarship', then I disagree. If you mean 'free cars and cash' via bagmen, I agree (at many schools). Read norm's article - would be pretty funny to see a school like Rutgers land top recruits because they will be able to sign endorsement agreements with agents in NYC. Will flip college football on its head.

They are paid via scholarship, room/board and "cost of attendance" stipend. How is that not paid? You can argue that they are not paid what they are worth, which is fine. They can go do something else with their late teens/early 20s.