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FC: Corman speaks: "We sent the Big Ten a letter"

Re: Because, he is the only who was finally in a position to learn the truth.

Can I respectfully suggest we all stop arguing among ourselves and take this to the next level? Corman says he sent them a letter yet never heard back. So Delany is ignoring him. Maybe we should be emailing/ calling Corman's office and asking him what he intends to do about that (and posting his responses here)? ;)


This post was edited on 4/8 12:39 PM by psu00
 
You mean hold him accountable for following thru.....


...instead of just resting on having sent a letter?

I think that is a great idea.

Watch now to see how many folks will try to say that is asking too much of him. It is relatively easy to predict who might do that.
 
Because it is a half-measure. Lots of others are sponsoring legislation

which he is not sponsoring. LOL.
 
several of you are missing the forest from the trees ...


hey, I understand the desire by most/many to get all the facts. I share that desire. Would we have gotten more than what we currently have if the Corman/McCord lawsuit were settled before it went to trial? That's hard to say. I think Corman has taken far too much grief over the lawsuit. It accomplished way more than most thought was possible when it was filed.

Barry, your views on Corman are pretty well established. I just don't get the constant attacks on him. It's as though you just won the Powerball for 40 mill, but want to spend all your time bitter that your win didn't come when the pot was 600 mill. Yes, you didn't win as much as you might have if everything had gone as you imagined, but 40 mill is still a huge amount -- enjoy it.

Senatedon is offering a lot of good info here. I wish more of you would comprehend what he is saying.

There is still a lot of bitterness, which I understand, and think is somewhat justified. The BOT of Nov. 2011 made so many terrible decisions that in hindsight it's hard to fathom what they were thinking, or why they took such actions. That was compounded by their hiring of Louie the Liar, and then having Erickson, Peetz, and a few other trustees handle things in July 2012. They did a terrible job in their discussions with the NCAA, along with a number of other issues they handled.

So now folks are ticked about the B1G bowl revenue money that was withheld from PSU. Most of that can be blamed on the BOT leadership of July 2012. In addition, President Barron used the Chamberlain/Erickson model when he negotiated with the B1G Presidents after the Corman/McCord lawsuit was dropped. If you want to direct your anger at someone, I would focus it on Barron.

As for Corman, he's doing more to try to achieve what most of you seem to want regarding the B1G than anyone else, and for that he gets ripped here. (And I should note, he gave very broad details of what his communication with the B1G has been.)

As for Yudichak's bill, it remains to be seen if Corman will or will not back it. He's getting a lot of pressure from alums and those in favor of improved governance to do so, and a lot of pressure from the BOT and other stakeholders to not do so. I don't understand the reason for ripping him for not being a sponsor or public supporter of the bill at this time when his position remains to be seen.

Just some thoughts on many things I've seen in this thread.

Tom
 
Re: several of you are missing the forest from the trees ...

Tom, I don't want to speak for others, but for me personally I wasn't upset that Corman settled before the case went to trial, I was upset that Corman settled BEFORE the 400+ emails were released publicly.

All Corman had to do was just wait a few more days/weeks and the emails would have been released and the NCAA/PSU would have had ZERO leverage to dictate the settlement terms. Jake could have settled AFTER the emails were released and never went to trial and I think a lot of PSU alums would have been happier with that route vs. the one he decided to take.

Since Judge Leete has upheld the protective order on discovery for the Paterno suit, we may NEVER get to see what's in these emails unless they come out during trial.
 
Jake needs to decide which side he is on.... ...


"As for Yudichak's bill, it remains to be seen if Corman will or will not back it. He's getting a lot of pressure from alums and those in favor of improved governance to do so, and a lot of pressure from the BOT and other stakeholders to not do so. I don't understand the reason for ripping him for not being a sponsor or public supporter of the bill at this time when his position remains to be seen."


Thus far, Jake has been on the side of the BOT Old Guard and his large dollar financial supporters (and - yes - we know who many of them are). He has claimed - numerous times - to be a supporter of Penn State.

Those are two very different "sides". Thus far, we know which side he has been on.



"I don't understand the reason for ripping him for not being a sponsor or public supporter of the bill at this time when his position remains to be seen."

Thus far his position has been clear. He has had a plethora of opportunities to get on board with Yudichak's proposal....or to propose something better. He has done neither. I think he has made his position ABUNDANTLY clear.
The only hope is to CHANGE his position.....and that ain't gonna' happen if everyone just "sits back and waits". It very well may not happen no matter what we do....but it is a far better thing to express concerns NOW, rather than after the horse is out of the barn.

Just my $0.02
 
Re: You aren't paying attention. We rip a lot of politicians here.


Originally posted by lionlurker:
Seems like every single one of them is a crook. It's just a matter of degree.
Okay, since you claim I'm not paying attention, please fill me in. Below is a list of state senators. Could you go though the list and inform me what each has done on PSU's behalf, then remind me of times 'we have ripped on them' on this board. (BTW, no need to fill me in on Corman, I know what he done, and I've seen the flak he takes on a regular basis.)

Yudichak, John T.

If any of them, other than Corman, has taken flak on this board for not doing enough, I must have missed it.[/B]
 
TTBOMK


None of those guys have promoted themselves as the great "Victor"...or as the white knight protecting Penn State.
 
Re: several of you are missing the forest from the trees ...

So now folks are ticked about the B1G bowl revenue money that was withheld from PSU. Most of that can be blamed on the BOT leadership of July 2012. In addition, President Barron used the Chamberlain/Erickson model when he negotiated with the B1G Presidents after the Corman/McCord lawsuit was dropped. If you want to direct your anger at someone, I would focus it on Barron.


First, I agree re:Barron. What I fail to understand is giving The Big Ten a pass in all of this. If you're going to hammer the NCAA, then The Big Ten should be held equally responsible rather than give them a pass due to our corrupt/incompetent BOT.



This post was edited on 4/8 6:20 PM by nits74
 
Re: several of you are missing the forest from the trees ...

Exactly. I'd also like to hear more about this Barron negotiation process with the conference where he did his interpretation of Erickson/ Chamberlain. I missed that discussion when it happened. Anyone care to explain the details again? Thanks.
 
Re: TTBOMK

Originally posted by bjf1984:

None of those guys have promoted themselves as the great "Victor"...or as the white knight protecting Penn State.
Oh ... I see ... it's a personality thing.

Tell me then, which of our esteemed senators, who have thus far escaped scrutiny on this board, should I be thanking?

Which of them initiated a lawsuit that led to sanctions being lifted? Consent decree being voided? Exposing the NCAA as a fraud? Got national attention, and brought to light that Joe and the football program might have gotten the shaft?

Please let me know, because I would like to write them a thank-you letter for their efforts.

This post was edited on 4/8 6:15 PM by jack66
 
Re: several of you are missing the forest from the trees ...


Originally posted by psu00:
Exactly. I'd also like to hear more about this Barron negotiation process with the conference where he did his interpretation of Erickson/ Chamberlain. I missed that discussion when it happened. Anyone care to explain the details again? Thanks.
+1
 
Re: Bravo don. Some here want things taken back so badly....


Originally posted by LaJolla Lion:
that they will turn on anyone or anything that is screaming for blood. It's beyond scary where now what I thought were somewhat intelligent people are running around saying JS is possibly innocent. It's almost as if people have lost their minds.

Here are the cliff notes for those not intoxicated by the kerosene fumes.


Jerry Sandusky is a pedophile.
The BoT acted like cowards and buckled to the media.
This enabled the NCAA to blackmail the cowards.
Joe Paterno was made the national scapegoat.
Jerry will die where he belongs.
Joe's name isn't coming back in good graces with the majority of this nation, they had their trial in the media.
The 3 others charged have yet to ever speak up really and will get their day in court.
Corman did some pretty good things for PSU along the way. He is not some enemy to PSU.
Sanctions are gone and the football program can move ahead.
BoT reform still needs to occur and hopefully those rats that did this actually get called to the carpet for an epic failure in leadership.
I agree with a lot of what you say with a couple of exceptions.

1. Some of the trustees may have buckled, but there were also trustees who were DELIBERATELY fueling the anti-Paterno, anti-football narrative.

2. Joe's reputation will be restored when the entire backstory behind the Freeh Report is revealed. There's a reason certain people are wasting thousands and thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of dollars of Penn State money to keep the correspondence between Freeh and key bad actors secret. Freeh's job was to throw Paterno firmly under the bus; the correspondence will show who was directing him to do that.
 
There are two good reasons to be angry, and Corman is part of the reason. There is enough evidence ( or lack there of ) for Sandusky to get a re trail with some real lawyers. This is the only way to correct the second reason, Penn State's good name and by default JoePa's good name.

Unless this happens, everything else is meaningless, Corman included.

N i t t a n y A m e r i c a
 
What has Corman done to get CSS a speedy trail? To get the the truth? Nothing. The guy only cares about his cut to the money.

Angry, and for good reason.

N i t t a n y A m e r i c a
 
Sure jack

Be happy to help. When any of those things you list happen, let me know, and I'll be happy to provide with with some input with regard to who is responsible and worthy of plaudits. Until those things occur, it would - as I'm sure you will agree - premature to assign reaponsibility
 
Re: several of you are missing the forest from the trees ...

Can you give us the story and details of what happened with Barron negotiating with the big ten? I haven't heard anything about it. Back then everyone was saying just give Barron a chance. What happened that it was 'Erickson/Chamberlain' like?
 
Re: several of you are missing the forest from the trees ...





Originally posted by WeR0206:
Tom, I don't want to speak for others, but for me personally I wasn't upset that Corman settled before the case went to trial, I was upset that Corman settled BEFORE the 400+ emails were released publicly.

All Corman had to do was just wait a few more days/weeks and the emails would have been released and the NCAA/PSU would have had ZERO leverage to dictate the settlement terms. Jake could have settled AFTER the emails were released and never went to trial and I think a lot of PSU alums would have been happier with that route vs. the one he decided to take.

Since Judge Leete has upheld the protective order on discovery for the Paterno suit, we may NEVER get to see what's in these emails unless they come out during trial.

I too have a concern regarding being so close to information becoming public via the Corman suit, whether it be the emails or testimony on the stand, then pulling the plug. Someone can argue we don't know if that information would have been helpful and a lot of other ifs but why not pursue? The Paterno lawsuit may not come through on making as much information public that could be helpful. See this statement regarding Paterno lawsuit from an article:

"The NCAA also scored on the issue of the protective order. The estate's attorneys had argued that the information the NCAA released in response to the Commonwealth Court case instigated by state Senate Majority Leader Jake Corman, whose attorneys made many documents public by filing them as attached exhibits, made for an uneven playing field. They asked to have the order, issued in September 2014, modified to allow release of any information not deemed "confidential" or "highly confidential."

"Plaintiffs do not provide any authority to support the claim that disclosure in one case necessitates disclosure in another," wrote Leete, keeping the order in place."


Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2015/03/30/4678555_judge-leete-issues-split-rulings.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
 
Disagree.

Originally posted by Tom McAndrew:

hey, I understand the desire by most/many to get all the facts. I share that desire. Would we have gotten more than what we currently have if the Corman/McCord lawsuit were settled before it went to trial? Well, had the case been tired we would know what was in the big cache of emails he agreed to allow to remain hidden--that is EASY to say. That's hard to say. I think Corman has taken far too much grief over the lawsuit. It accomplished way more than most thought was possible when it was filed. Sure it did better, but that is like losing to a better team because you were not prepared to take chances to win.

Barry, your views on Corman are pretty well established. I just don't get the constant attacks on him. It's as though you just won the Powerball for 40 mill, but want to spend all your time bitter that your win didn't come when the pot was 600 mill. Yes, you didn't win as much as you might have if everything had gone as you imagined, but 40 mill is still a huge amount -- enjoy it.

Senatedon is offering a lot of good info here. I wish more of you would comprehend what he is saying.

There is still a lot of bitterness, which I understand, and think is somewhat justified. The BOT of Nov. 2011 made so many terrible decisions that in hindsight it's hard to fathom what they were thinking, or why they took such actions. That was compounded by their hiring of Louie the Liar, and then having Erickson, Peetz, and a few other trustees handle things in July 2012. They did a terrible job in their discussions with the NCAA, along with a number of other issues they handled.

So now folks are ticked about the B1G bowl revenue money that was withheld from PSU. Most of that can be blamed on the BOT leadership of July 2012. In addition, President Barron used the Chamberlain/Erickson model when he negotiated with the B1G Presidents after the Corman/McCord lawsuit was dropped. If you want to direct your anger at someone, I would focus it on Barron.

As for Corman, he's doing more to try to achieve what most of you seem to want regarding the B1G than anyone else, and for that he gets ripped here. Corman threw away a chance to really dig into the facts here, yet pretends as though we cannot see that. he got half a loaf and left the rest on the ground. (And I should note, he gave very broad details of what his communication with the B1G has been.)

As for Yudichak's bill, it remains to be seen if Corman will or will not back it. Well, that is unacceptable for a guy who ome want us to view as a hero. I really do not know many people I respect who think that the State Senate does not HAVE TO get involved to fix the governance issue at PSU. He's getting a lot of pressure from alums and those in favor of improved governance to do so, and a lot of pressure from the BOT and other stakeholders to not do so. Who are these other public stakeholders? I don't understand the reason for ripping him for not being a sponsor or public supporter of the bill at this time when his position remains to be seen. "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." Time for Jake to get off the talk show circuit and back to work for the truth.

Just some thoughts on many things I've seen in this thread.

Tom
 
Love the MLK quote DEM....

I've used it myself - several times - wrt this entire affair. I think it is so appropriate to what we are facing.
 
not really ...


there hasn't been any discussion about this, so it's not as though you missed a prior discussion.

I've provided about as much info as I can on this subject. I can assure you that I'm not speculating about what took place, but can not at this time provide any additional details.

The "give Barron a chance" statements mostly were made prior to the negotiations with the B1G Presidents, which took place within a month of the end of the Corman/McCord lawsuit in January.

Tom
 
I will grant certainly that I do not think corman is some evil entity,

backstabbing us at every turn. He is nowhere near the worst person to have dealt with PSU in all of this. But as of today he is probably, other than wolfe and maybe the judges, the single most powerful outsider in this. To have him both dithering AND grandstanding is a little hard to take, and at least part of how I feel is a reaction to the hero worship I have seen from a few for him.

Even a politician has to have a few things he will lay it all down for. If it is not this issue for the Senator from Penn State, then what?
 
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