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fc OT whats going on at Wyoming Valley West HS and school lunches?

One of the more corrupt and idiotic districts in that area, so this isn't surprising.

FYI, Todd Carmichael is a really nice guy. I got to meet him at La Colombe's flagship location one day. LAC's co-owner is married to a Penn Stater.
 
As we know, the PA CYS can barely handle real child abuse cases, nevermind this BS. This is old news here in NEPA. I'm glad someone took it national.

I simply don't understand the mindset of school administrators/faculty these days - here is a horrible idea on display for everyone to see, especially since CYS flat out said they would not remove kids from their homes for failure to pay for school lunch. At a local school here in Virginia, a gym teacher thought it might be a good idea to simulate use of the Underground Railroad (slaves running from owners) during BHM.
 
I simply don't understand the mindset of school administrators/faculty these days - here is a horrible idea on display for everyone to see, especially since CYS flat out said they would not remove kids from their homes for failure to pay for school lunch. At a local school here in Virginia, a gym teacher thought it might be a good idea to simulate use of the Underground Railroad (slaves running from owners) during BHM.

Exactly.

How the hell did someone at WVW come up with the letter, and how/why are they so stupid? Ditto for the school in VA that you mentioned.
 
NO. FREE. LUNCH. :eek:
Here's the thing. In our district we have to put money into the kids account via internet. We can see what the kids buy each day and how much money is left. Once the money is gone, the kids are still allowed to charge against the account. I don't have a problem with this up to a point, but they will allow the kids to buy snacks and ice cream and other garbage foods with no money in the account. Only allow them to buy a main lunch item and a water if the account is in the red.
 
Yep Todd Carmichael who is behind La Colombe coffees and coffee shops(which make Starbucks look sick IMO) offered $22,000 k to pay it all of. Politicians in NEPA and in general are lunkheads.

There is a La Colombe around the corner from my office. It's a cool concept, but local DC franchise Compass Coffee has swallowed everyone on the block up, including Starbucks.
 
Here's the thing. In our district we have to put money into the kids account via internet. We can see what the kids buy each day and how much money is left. Once the money is gone, the kids are still allowed to charge against the account. I don't have a problem with this up to a point, but they will allow the kids to buy snacks and ice cream and other garbage foods with no money in the account. Only allow them to buy a main lunch item and a water if the account is in the red.

Wyoming Valley West is one of the poorer school districts in PA.
 
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Not taking anything away from Todd Carmichael's efforts, but could the parents simply start a GoFundMe account and have Carmichael make a donation of....$22,000....and then they use that?

There are ways around this, and frankly, the main issue (kids getting fed) is fading into the background.
while I agree with your last line, the Super seems to indicate, that the parents have the money, and just dont feel like paying, because you know, the kids need feed. Maybe I've read something wrong.
 
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while I agree with your last line, the Super seems to indicate, that the parents have the money, and just dont feel like paying, because you know, the kids need feed. Maybe I've read something wrong.

How does he know what parents can afford (serious question)? Does he have a spreadsheet of their earnings/expenses?
 
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Not taking anything away from Todd Carmichael's efforts, but could the parents simply start a GoFundMe account and have Carmichael make a donation of....$22,000....and then they use that?

There are ways around this, and frankly, the main issue (kids getting fed) is fading into the background.

Sure, if the parents had that level of sophistication and Carmichael et al knew of it. This became public about a week ago.
 
How does he know what parents can afford (serious question)? Does he have a spreadsheet of their earnings/expenses?
I figure he would have some sort of handle on who does what etc to make a living. Maybe the list is from a bunch of MD's and lawyers and such, IDK but I would think the Superintendent would have some sort of idea, even based on home addresses. IDK, but how big of a district is WVW?
 
I figure he would have some sort of handle on who does what etc to make a living. Maybe the list is from a bunch of MD's and lawyers and such, IDK but I would think the Superintendent would have some sort of idea, even based on home addresses. IDK, but how big of a district is WVW?
it's not the superintendent, it's the school board president according to the article

these people are too often jackasses with some personal agenda having nothing to do with what is best for the kids
 
That's problematical. Some districts require that families apply for free/subsidized lunches and the perceived stigma prevents some families from doing so.

So, is the note to any/all families with lunch debt? I assume students who have 'free' lunches wouldn't have any debt - but for others (including those who pay full boat), they all got the note?
 
I figure he would have some sort of handle on who does what etc to make a living. Maybe the list is from a bunch of MD's and lawyers and such, IDK but I would think the Superintendent would have some sort of idea, even based on home addresses. IDK, but how big of a district is WVW?

Big enough, close to 5,000 students. Average family income is about $40K.
 
So, is the note to any/all families with lunch debt? I assume students who have 'free' lunches wouldn't have any debt - but for others (including those who pay full boat), they all got the note?

Seems so, but, again,it's possible that some of the families with lunch debt would qualify for free lunches, but were too embarrassed to apply.
 
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I don't know, but if WYW is anything like my school district they would have made sure the non-paying families applied for the aid. Further, if the parents didn't have the money applying for aid is much less embarrassing than having their children have to ask for a lunch without paying. If my children's lunch account ran out of money they came home mortified and I quickly solved the problem.

In my school district, "making sure" that eligible families apply for aid is a recognized problem. Total number of students is about 6,000 and those involved suspect that perhaps a few dozen qualify. Problem is that those kids whose families apply will become known and....let's put it this way, I wouldn't want to be one of those kids having to go to school here.
 
In my school district, "making sure" that eligible families apply for aid is a recognized problem. Total number of students is about 6,000 and those involved suspect that perhaps a few dozen qualify. Problem is that those kids whose families apply will become known and....let's put it this way, I wouldn't want to be one of those kids having to go to school here.
BOOM, there it is
 
Congrats, you're in a very high end school district. WYW is not a very high end district and therefore a fairly large percentage of kids would qualify, and that would be much better than having your kids explain to the cashier day after day, in front of their friends, that they don't have money.

Yeah, misery just loves company and it's the kids, not the parents, who deal with the stigma.

Maybe the powers that be at WVW should spend more time making sure that their applications for Federal and state grants are complete and on time than on threatening letters to parents over what is likely a fraction of the cost of school lunches in the district.
 
That's problematical. Some districts require that families apply for free/subsidized lunches and the perceived stigma prevents some families from doing so.
Seems like at WVW the parents don't even need to apply to qualify for free lunch.
Who benefits? Everyone! Students Access to free nutritious meals for all students, no stigma, and less time spent in cashier lines and more to eat nutritious meals Parents No application for qualifying school

https://www.wvwsd.org/cms/lib/PA02209258/Centricity/Domain/375/CEP POSTER.pdf
 
Seems like at WVW the parents don't even need to apply to qualify for free lunch.
Who benefits? Everyone! Students Access to free nutritious meals for all students, no stigma, and less time spent in cashier lines and more to eat nutritious meals Parents No application for qualifying school

https://www.wvwsd.org/cms/lib/PA02209258/Centricity/Domain/375/CEP POSTER.pdf

Uh, no, different program. CEP, or Community Eligibility Provision, provides free school breakfasts and lunches to all students in schools/districts that qualify. Qualification is based on the percentage/number of families below percentages of poverty level, most frequently measured by those receiving SNAP (b/k/a food stamps) or TANF benefits. While the family does not have to fill out a free meal specific application it does have to notify the district that it receives such benefits. If the school/district as a whole does not qualify for CEP, then the family has no recourse but to apply individually.

In this case, CEP is not applicable for whatever reason.
 
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Raise school taxes and make standard lunches free for all students. Consider it part of the cost of education like teacher salaries, textbook costs, etc.
 
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Uh, no, different program. CEP, or Community Eligibility Provision, provides free school breakfasts and lunches to all students in schools/districts that qualify. Qualification is based on the percentage/number of families below percentages of poverty level, most frequently measured by those receiving SNAP (b/k/a food stamps) or TANF benefits. While the family does not have to fill out a free meal specific application it does have to notify the district that it receives such benefits. If the school/district as a whole does not qualify for CEP, then the family has no recourse but to apply individually.
In this case, CEP is not applicable for whatever reason.

Mazur and his family have been involved in the school's politics since 1966 when WVW was in the early jointure of towns : Kingston, Forty Fort, Luzerne, Pringle, Courtdale, Plymouth, Larksville and my town, Edwardsville. The WVW jointure system consisted of Kingston Area, Forty Fort Area and Plymouth Area in 1966, each area had it's own sports teams.

I was in the first graduating class of the system, of 720+ kids. The following year, the three school areas combined. and my wife's class had 20-30 more graduating. I believe today that number has reduced to around 340+/- for the senior classes.


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https://www.timesleader.com/news/75...sident-defends-threatening-collection-letters


WVW school board president defends threatening collection letters

July 17, 2019 timesleader Local, News 0
By Mark Guydish - mguydish@timesleader.com
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Chester Street Elementary school in Kingston. Aimee Dilger|Times Leader -

KINGSTON — The obvious news may have been that, in a zealous effort to get more than $20,000 owed for student lunches, Wyoming Valley West School District sent out letters to parents warning of a potential court date that, theoretically, could lead to children being placed in foster care.

But another big issue emerged in the saga: WVW’s enrollment of low-income students has apparently grown enough to qualify for a federal program offering free breakfasts and lunches to all students.

School Board President Joe Mazur confirmed both the collection letters and the eligibility for the program Wednesday.

Mazur conceded the letters were “threatening and a little strong,” primarily because they warned that the district could take legal action to force payment, including going to “dependency court,” where a judge could hypothetical decide the parent failed to provide a child with proper nutrition, prompting foster placement.

But he also defended the effort. “We have people that owe money for a year, some maybe more, and we tried all kinds of ways to contact them. We sent letters, emails, robo-calls, trying to make arrangements to pay. The last letter sent out was a nice letter saying come in, we need to discuss this, and it didn’t get one return.”

Mazur said he didn’t see the threatening letter before it was sent out by Federal Programs Director Joseph Muth, who was out of the office Wednesday. But Mazur insisted the letter “certainly did the job” in generating responses. “We took a drastic measure. It probably wasn’t very popular, but it never is when you try to collect payment.

“This was an attempt to collect money that is owed us. I think it’s time that people who can afford to pay, pay. Those who can’t, we certainly will work with them.”

There may be cases where the families are eligible to participate in the federal free and reduced-price lunch program, he added, but have not applied.

That could become a moot point this fall, he added, saying Muth had gone through the records to find out how many students were eligible, and that this year for the first time “We are over the threshold, so for the next five years every child can get a free meal.”

Mazur wasn’t certain of the program providing those meals, but it appears he was referring to the Community Eligible Provision, or CEP, first offered in 2014 by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the free and reduced lunch program.

If a district has at least 40 percent of students in families living at or below the federal poverty level, it is eligible for CEP, but there’s a financial risk.

Under CEP, rather than getting reimbursed per meal served to eligible students, the government pays for enough meals to feed all those who are eligible and 60 percent more than that. That’s because an analysis showed that, on average, for every 10 students identified as eligible, there are another six who are also eligible but didn’t apply for the free meals.

The risk: If the federal reimbursement doesn’t cover all the students who get free meals, the district has to cover the additional cost.

In practical terms, that means districts will likely lose money under CEP unless it has at least 60 percent eligible students. There are, broadly, two ways to determine if a family is eligible for free and reduced lunch: direct federal certification of eligibility because they qualify for other federal programs such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, and eligibility through the application process at the school.

When CEP was first introduced, Wilkes-Barre Area School Board voted to join the program that year. Superintendent Brian Costello said Wednesday that it has worked out very well for the district. According to state data, in 2018-19 the district had 50.33 percent enrollment directly certified eligible, and 77.5 percent deemed economically disadvantaged — an indicator of eligibility for the free and reduced lunch program.

Greater Nanticoke Area, on the other hand, has not taken advantage of CEP despite meeting the 40 percent poverty threshold. Superintendent Ronald Grevera said the district falls shy of the 60 percent eligible point where CEP pays for all meals. If the district did opt for CEP, he estimated it would have to spend about $150,000 a year for meals served for free that weren’t covered by the federal reimbursement. “It’s just not economically feasible.”

According to state data, two other Luzerne County Districts are participating in CEP along with Wilkes-Barre Area: Hanover Area and Hazleton Area.

Wyoming Valley West has been near eligibility for years, the data shows, with 64.2 percent of students deemed economically disadvantaged, and 32 percent directly certified eligible for the free lunch program in 2019.

If Mazur’s statement that the district is newly eligible to offer free meals to all students refers to CEP, the good news is that every student can get a free meal, and the problem of collecting payments will disappear.

The bad news: The poverty rate has risen among students.
 
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Mazur and his family have been involved in the school's politics since 1966 when WVW was in the early jointure of towns : Kingston, Forty Fort, Luzerne, Pringle, Courtdale, Plymouth, Larksville and my town, Edwardsville. The WVW jointure system consisted of Kingston Area, Forty Fort Area and Plymouth Area in 1966, each area had it's own sports teams.

I was in the first graduating class of the system, of 720+ kids. The following year, the three school areas combined. and my wife's class had 20-30 more graduating. I believe today that number has reduced to around 340+/- for the senior classes.


Link:
https://www.timesleader.com/news/75...sident-defends-threatening-collection-letters


WVW school board president defends threatening collection letters

July 17, 2019 timesleader Local, News 0
By Mark Guydish - mguydish@timesleader.com
web1_TTL071819WVW2.jpg


Chester Street Elementary school in Kingston. Aimee Dilger|Times Leader -

KINGSTON — The obvious news may have been that, in a zealous effort to get more than $20,000 owed for student lunches, Wyoming Valley West School District sent out letters to parents warning of a potential court date that, theoretically, could lead to children being placed in foster care.

But another big issue emerged in the saga: WVW’s enrollment of low-income students has apparently grown enough to qualify for a federal program offering free breakfasts and lunches to all students.

School Board President Joe Mazur confirmed both the collection letters and the eligibility for the program Wednesday.

Mazur conceded the letters were “threatening and a little strong,” primarily because they warned that the district could take legal action to force payment, including going to “dependency court,” where a judge could hypothetical decide the parent failed to provide a child with proper nutrition, prompting foster placement.

But he also defended the effort. “We have people that owe money for a year, some maybe more, and we tried all kinds of ways to contact them. We sent letters, emails, robo-calls, trying to make arrangements to pay. The last letter sent out was a nice letter saying come in, we need to discuss this, and it didn’t get one return.”

Mazur said he didn’t see the threatening letter before it was sent out by Federal Programs Director Joseph Muth, who was out of the office Wednesday. But Mazur insisted the letter “certainly did the job” in generating responses. “We took a drastic measure. It probably wasn’t very popular, but it never is when you try to collect payment.

“This was an attempt to collect money that is owed us. I think it’s time that people who can afford to pay, pay. Those who can’t, we certainly will work with them.”

There may be cases where the families are eligible to participate in the federal free and reduced-price lunch program, he added, but have not applied.

That could become a moot point this fall, he added, saying Muth had gone through the records to find out how many students were eligible, and that this year for the first time “We are over the threshold, so for the next five years every child can get a free meal.”

Mazur wasn’t certain of the program providing those meals, but it appears he was referring to the Community Eligible Provision, or CEP, first offered in 2014 by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the free and reduced lunch program.

If a district has at least 40 percent of students in families living at or below the federal poverty level, it is eligible for CEP, but there’s a financial risk.

Under CEP, rather than getting reimbursed per meal served to eligible students, the government pays for enough meals to feed all those who are eligible and 60 percent more than that. That’s because an analysis showed that, on average, for every 10 students identified as eligible, there are another six who are also eligible but didn’t apply for the free meals.

The risk: If the federal reimbursement doesn’t cover all the students who get free meals, the district has to cover the additional cost.

In practical terms, that means districts will likely lose money under CEP unless it has at least 60 percent eligible students. There are, broadly, two ways to determine if a family is eligible for free and reduced lunch: direct federal certification of eligibility because they qualify for other federal programs such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, and eligibility through the application process at the school.

When CEP was first introduced, Wilkes-Barre Area School Board voted to join the program that year. Superintendent Brian Costello said Wednesday that it has worked out very well for the district. According to state data, in 2018-19 the district had 50.33 percent enrollment directly certified eligible, and 77.5 percent deemed economically disadvantaged — an indicator of eligibility for the free and reduced lunch program.

Greater Nanticoke Area, on the other hand, has not taken advantage of CEP despite meeting the 40 percent poverty threshold. Superintendent Ronald Grevera said the district falls shy of the 60 percent eligible point where CEP pays for all meals. If the district did opt for CEP, he estimated it would have to spend about $150,000 a year for meals served for free that weren’t covered by the federal reimbursement. “It’s just not economically feasible.”

According to state data, two other Luzerne County Districts are participating in CEP along with Wilkes-Barre Area: Hanover Area and Hazleton Area.

Wyoming Valley West has been near eligibility for years, the data shows, with 64.2 percent of students deemed economically disadvantaged, and 32 percent directly certified eligible for the free lunch program in 2019.

If Mazur’s statement that the district is newly eligible to offer free meals to all students refers to CEP, the good news is that every student can get a free meal, and the problem of collecting payments will disappear.

The bad news: The poverty rate has risen among students.

There is more bad news: the Trump administration is cutting back on eligibility for SNAP, so if WVW is borderline eligible for CEP, it may no longer be.
 
I don’t know all of the proper terminology for the programs, etc, but my opinion is that the free lunch program is incredibly wasteful and un-managed. IMO, it’s a feel-good program that is basically unregulated at the taxpayer’s expense. I realize this is not the exact same situation as the article, but it seems every time somebody stands up to protect the taxpayer, they are shamed into giving more away.

I live in a huge school district with a daughter in middle school. Every single student in our district qualifies for free breakfast and lunch. My daughter, due to dietary restrictions, does not eat one item of the school food, ever. I’ve formed an opinion based on our combined observations. Taxpayers, whether it be state or local, are being taken advantage of. First, I can certainly afford to pay for her lunch and so can, I assume, many thousands of other families in the district. In addition, my daughter sees multiple 30 gallon garbage cans full of fruits and vegetables discarded daily.

Even as a staunch fiscal conservative, I have no problem giving taxpayer funded food to those who truly need it. I think it should not apply to everybody and it needs to be managed to eliminate fraud. That will likely never happen.
 
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