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fc OT whats going on at Wyoming Valley West HS and school lunches?

I don’t know all of the proper terminology for the programs, etc, but my opinion is that the free lunch program is incredibly wasteful and un-managed. IMO, it’s a feel-good program that is basically unregulated at the taxpayer’s expense. I realize this is not the exact same situation as the article, but it seems every time somebody stands up to protect the taxpayer, they are shamed into giving more away.

I live in a huge school district with a daughter in middle school. Every single student in our district qualifies for free breakfast and lunch. My daughter, due to dietary restrictions, does not eat one item of the school food, ever. I’ve formed an opinion based on our combined observations. Taxpayers, whether it be state or local, are being taken advantage of. First, I can certainly afford to pay for her lunch and so can, I assume, many thousands of other families in the district. In addition, my daughter sees multiple 30 gallon garbage cans full of fruits and vegetables discarded daily.

Even as a staunch fiscal conservative, I have no problem giving taxpayer funded food to those who truly need it. I think it should not apply to everybody and it needs to be managed to eliminate fraud. That will likely never happen.

Then you are not a staunch fiscal conservative.
 
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Gonna guess that this wouldn't have been newsworthy if it had been a simple dunning notice without the threat to remove kids from the custody of their parents.
It's not inaccurate to say that a parent who finds themselves in court could have their children taken away, provided that negative circumstances beyond the debt are uncovered. But I'll grant that the wording was not optimal, especially in light of people having Uber sensitive buttholes nowadays.
 
I've just come to the realize that we're never going to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

I live in a town where 68% of my property taxes goes to the school system - and I don't have any kids. Towns around me are roughly the same percentage I have this conversation with parents who claim to be staunch fiscal conservatives - I ask them to pony up more money to pay for their kids to go to public school - the speed at which they defend the school tax structure, as is, is mind boggling. Usain Bolt isn't as fast.

Anyone who claims to be a staunch fiscal conservative-simply isn't. Because somehow, somewhere, they are reaping the benefit of a program that they use, but don't pay as much, or not all, for.
 
It's not inaccurate to say that a parent who finds themselves in court could have their children taken away, provided that negative circumstances beyond the debt are uncovered. But I'll grant that the wording was not optimal, especially in light of people having Uber sensitive buttholes nowadays.


That wasn't exactly how the letter was written. Whether accurate or not, it drew a straight-line between the parent's non-payment and their duty to provide. If anything, it was Uber stupid. If I want to dispose of this, I sell the receivables to a collection agency and I'm done.
 
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I live in a town where 68% of my property taxes goes to the school system - and I don't have any kids. Towns around me are roughly the same percentage I have this conversation with parents who claim to be staunch fiscal conservatives - I ask them to pony up more money to pay for their kids to go to public school - the speed at which they defend the school tax structure, as is, is mind boggling. Usain Bolt isn't as fast.

Anyone who claims to be a staunch fiscal conservative-simply isn't. Because somehow, somewhere, they are reaping the benefit of a program that they use, but don't pay as much, or not all, for.
It's just a fact of life that I'm going to pay taxes, much of which will be used to fund things I have no interest in, just like others are paying for things I use and they don't. I don't like it, but I am resigned to the fact. When given chance, I will always vote for the tax cutter vs. the spender. You don't often have the option.
 
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You're absolutely right, especially in Luzerne County, where this school district resides. Remember kids for cash? Yes, that Luzerne County. ;)
You mean the place where kids committed real crimes, for which they were punished?
 
You mean the place where kids committed real crimes, for which they were punished?
No, the one where judges were throwing innocent kids in jail and they were getting kick backs from Robert Mericle. Does mgk stand for Mericle got thousands? It should be something like mgo- Mericle got off.
 
School boards make football bagmen look like 4 year olds on the first day of kindergarten. Elected officials with "no" compensation. Follow the money.
 
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JBW
You can get the school to provide lunch for your daughter. We have kids in which lactose-free milk is provided and a student receives a separate meal due to dietary issues
 
Why is it that when a billionaire real estate developer gets a multi billion dollar hand out or tax break in exchange for building a stadium or refurbishing a revenue generating hotel we applaud them as “self made men” but when a poor parent struggling can’t pay a few lousy bucks to feed their kid we demonize them?
Because society is full of idiots.
 
JBW
You can get the school to provide lunch for your daughter. We have kids in which lactose-free milk is provided and a student receives a separate meal due to dietary issues
Thanks, yes I know. My wife is all over it. She just wouldn't eat it anyway. We've tried to talk her into it, but she's very picky. I'm not concerned about getting the free meal. The whole concept of free for all seems unnecessary. Thanks though.
 
No, the one where judges were throwing innocent kids in jail and they were getting kick backs from Robert Mericle. Does mgk stand for Mericle got thousands? It should be something like mgo- Mericle got off.
Please don't tell me that you are stupid enough to believe that they were just randomly pulling in innocent little angels off the street and sending them away. Each and every kid first came into contact with the police or school disciplinarians, and each and every sentence issued was within the allowable parameters. MANY of them were repeat offwnders. And if you put aside the $ aspect, the judges were actually holding kids accountable for their actions, instead of coddling their fragile little egos. Maybe that generation wouldn't be such entitled snowflakes today if a harsh philosophy had been applied. Instead they expunged their (valid) records, gave them a handout, and let them loose to grow into "adults" who barely contribute to society.
 
I will start this by saying I work at a school district and one of the departments I oversee is food service.

There are a few things that needs to be pointed out. I think it was 2 years ago PA passed the anti-shaming law. Schools can no longer tell students that there account balance is low or give them a different lunch than what is being offered. Since this came out lunch debt has risen tremendously in school districts across the state.

If a family receives food stamps, they are automatically eligible for free lunch and breakfast. Someone said they have to notify the school, that is incorrect. The school receives a list of families who qualify and they are automatically eligible for free meals. We have had parents tell us they don’t want the free meals, but we still have to give it to them.

In regards to all of the food that is being away, that is all part of the Obama healthy food act. If you are eligible for free/ reduced lunches you have to take certain food items are it doesn’t qualify, then the family gets charged and the school does not get reimbursed. Some schools started a thing where they have students put things they don’t want on a table and anyone can take it, but that is not allowed. The school can lose funding due to this.

Last, cafeterias are considered an enterprise of the district. This means it is supposed to be self sustained and actually making money is frowned upon from the state. They regulate everything! If you have a certain balance you have to spend it or risk losing reimbursement.
 
Please don't tell me that you are stupid enough to believe that they were just randomly pulling in innocent little angels off the street and sending them away. Each and every kid first came into contact with the police or school disciplinarians, and each and every sentence issued was within the allowable parameters.
I'm sorry to touch such a nerve Mrs. Mericle, Mrs. Conahan, or Mrs. Ciavarella. You must be proud of your husband's accomplishments.
 
I will start this by saying I work at a school district and one of the departments I oversee is food service.

There are a few things that needs to be pointed out. I think it was 2 years ago PA passed the anti-shaming law. Schools can no longer tell students that there account balance is low or give them a different lunch than what is being offered. Since this came out lunch debt has risen tremendously in school districts across the state.

If a family receives food stamps, they are automatically eligible for free lunch and breakfast. Someone said they have to notify the school, that is incorrect. The school receives a list of families who qualify and they are automatically eligible for free meals. We have had parents tell us they don’t want the free meals, but we still have to give it to them.

In regards to all of the food that is being away, that is all part of the Obama healthy food act. If you are eligible for free/ reduced lunches you have to take certain food items are it doesn’t qualify, then the family gets charged and the school does not get reimbursed. Some schools started a thing where they have students put things they don’t want on a table and anyone can take it, but that is not allowed. The school can lose funding due to this.

Last, cafeterias are considered an enterprise of the district. This means it is supposed to be self sustained and actually making money is frowned upon from the state. They regulate everything! If you have a certain balance you have to spend it or risk losing reimbursement.

All of this is true, and for those shaming this district for having 40% of the families on free and reduced, State College hovers right around the 30% mark annually.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/25/us/pennsylvania-lunch-debt-furor-apology/index.html

"(CNN) -- A cash-strapped school district in Pennsylvania's coal country has reversed course on its controversial approach to settling the lunch debt of several students.

The Wyoming Valley West School District issued an online apology Wednesday for sending letters to parents earlier this month that threatened to put children in foster care if lunch money debts were not paid. Not only did the school board sincerely apologize "for the tone of the letter," it also decided to accept the "generous offer" of a benefactor who offered to pay the school lunch debts, the apology note stated."
 
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/25/us/pennsylvania-lunch-debt-furor-apology/index.html

"(CNN) -- A cash-strapped school district in Pennsylvania's coal country has reversed course on its controversial approach to settling the lunch debt of several students.

The Wyoming Valley West School District issued an online apology Wednesday for sending letters to parents earlier this month that threatened to put children in foster care if lunch money debts were not paid. Not only did the school board sincerely apologize "for the tone of the letter," it also decided to accept the "generous offer" of a benefactor who offered to pay the school lunch debts, the apology note stated."
Good to hear.

In protest of the Board’s previous actions, I am no loner wearing my WVW letter jacket.
 
As a side note, this is where our own (and Oklahoma's) Geno Lewis played high school ball not too long ago.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/25/us/pennsylvania-lunch-debt-furor-apology/index.html

"(CNN) -- A cash-strapped school district in Pennsylvania's coal country has reversed course on its controversial approach to settling the lunch debt of several students.

The Wyoming Valley West School District issued an online apology Wednesday for sending letters to parents earlier this month that threatened to put children in foster care if lunch money debts were not paid. Not only did the school board sincerely apologize "for the tone of the letter," it also decided to accept the "generous offer" of a benefactor who offered to pay the school lunch debts, the apology note stated."
That's the spirit! Empower the deadbeats to feel justified in refusing to pay in the future too!
 
Please don't tell me that you are stupid enough to believe that they were just randomly pulling in innocent little angels off the street and sending them away. Each and every kid first came into contact with the police or school disciplinarians, and each and every sentence issued was within the allowable parameters. MANY of them were repeat offwnders. And if you put aside the $ aspect, the judges were actually holding kids accountable for their actions, instead of coddling their fragile little egos. Maybe that generation wouldn't be such entitled snowflakes today if a harsh philosophy had been applied. Instead they expunged their (valid) records, gave them a handout, and let them loose to grow into "adults" who barely contribute to society.

Yeah, it was the kids that were the criminals.

On August 11, 2011, Ciavarella was sentenced to 28 years in federal prison as a result of his conviction.

On September 23, 2011, Conahan was sentenced to 17 and a half years in federal prison
 
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May you never need help from a stranger, neighbor, house of worship or your government. I’m sure you will be just fine when the unexpected happens.
What evidence do you have that any of them are unable to pay, versus unwilling? You have no more factual information than I do, so either scenario is plausible.

And please stop with the melodramatics, because all anyone did was ask for payment of a legitimate debt. Nobody broke into anybody's house and threw a bag over a kid's head.
 
Yeah, it was the kids that were the criminals.

On August 11, 2011, Ciavarella was sentenced to 28 years in federal prison as a result of his conviction.

On September 23, 2011, Conahan was sentenced to 17 and a half years in federal prison
So then by your math if the judges were criminals, then the inverse property is that the kids weren't? Sounds solid/logical!

The judge's convictions (Ciaverella's is still in dispute, and some charges were since reversed) had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the actions of sentencing the kids. The "corruption" stuff pertained slowly to the $.
 
So then by your math if the judges were criminals, then the inverse property is that the kids weren't? Sounds solid/logical!

The judge's convictions (Ciaverella's is still in dispute, and some charges were since reversed) had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the actions of sentencing the kids. The "corruption" stuff pertained slowly to the $.
"Ciavarella disposed thousands of children to extended stays in youth centers for offenses as trivial as mocking an assistant principal on Myspace or trespassing in a vacant building."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal
 
What evidence do you have that any of them are unable to pay, versus unwilling? You have no more factual information than I do, so either scenario is plausible.

And please stop with the melodramatics, because all anyone did was ask for payment of a legitimate debt. Nobody broke into anybody's house and threw a bag over a kid's head.
so you're ok with a government entity threatening to take children away from their parents- aren't you special?
 
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I know of the solicitor for WVW. He is a lawyer who makes Michael Scott and Dwight Schrute look normal.

I know of him as well, and from what I heard you hit the nail on the head. No way this letter went out without him looking it over.
 
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