FC: The Kane Trial in Norristown
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Morrow, who has been granted immunity in exchange for his cooperation with prosecutors, admitted from the witness stand that his story has changed and evolved over time.
Wow. This guy should talk to McQueary. He's the expert on changing your story.
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The Fina Boys' playbook in action.........but don't tell the Oblivious Platoon - they won't "get it" anyway.
For me, it's the rank hypocrisy. The PA OAG has leaked like a sieve for decades. The MO has always been to leak stuff to the press to get the drumbeat going. For example, there's no question that someone in Fina's office was leaking GJ info to Sarah Ganim and yet there have been no consequences. Fina also orchestrated the Blingsting leak, and, again, there were no consequences. And that same Frank Fina was the guy who got the MontCo DA to go after Kane. Heck, there were even leaks from the GJ that was investigating Kane's leaks. With PA's own Machiavelli out for blood Kane was stupid to sink to Fina's level, but let's not pretend for a moment that she's any worse than the guys who have been running that office for decades.
Honestly, at this point Kane should just send Fina's hard drive to Wikileaks and be done with it.
Given the situation she walked in to....it is amazing KK was able to accomplish as much "good" as she did.
And she DID do some good....quite a bit actually. Though most of it will undoubtedly be "undone" by her successor.
That said, she MUST not be the sharpest tool in the shed.....because the way she crapped up some obvious situations - including those which could have significantly helped her own PERSONAL cause - is bewildering........beginning with her naivety (?) in NOT cleaning out that snake pit from Day 1.
The "pissing on my leg" crap out of Gansler and Castor are just a couple further examples. I don't know how many other doors were open to her - but the "mission executions" of those two shiny pennies has been pathetic.
Of course, her dumb move in not cleaning house earlier, played a large part in handicapping her on these issues.
Her incredibly inept handling of "Porngate" (including, as a huge issue, allowing the thing to be labelled as "Porngate", and the stupid focus on the Porno aspect of the exchanges) was Junior High level.
Really sad.....because now all of the available options for the next AG are absolutely frightening.
FWIW I'm liking what Anna Orso is writing at Billy Penn.
seems like she took the criticism to heart about following football players and tweeting "gotcha" moments. Honestly, I thought she had way more potential than a bottom feeder like Ganim.
Now, Morrow has immunity in the case. And he says that after several tries, he’s finally being truthful.
that was from Anna Orso's latest article. the irony is . . . ironic . . .
I have to agree.
After reading what went on yesterday, it's an effing soap opera. Jeezus H. Christmas, who ARE these people? They're playing cloak & dagger spy games in Philadelphia parking garages and at the Bellevue and meanwhile you've got Tim, Gary & Graham under indictment for effing YEARS. They've had their passports revoked, they've had the AG's office try to dig up dirt by banging on relatives doors, their lives are in limbo, they've been destroyed in the press without ever having yet set foot in a courtroom and experience due process like these people.
Mike's life has been destroyed. Joe's reputation smeared, along with the Lettermen's legacy harmed. A university brand tarnished. The local State College community affected. Other coaches are under the media spotlight with rumor and innuendo. It invited the NCAA in to do damage and spawned yet more lawsuits and court costs. It gave rise to Louis Freeh and his double dipping behind PSU's back. It's completely ignored the Second Mile and CYS. It's encouraged the victim advocate industrial complex to support a false narrative and not dig into the real issues. It's soured many average folks (like me) from ever wanting to ever volunteer with youth again. It's pissed off an Alumni base and made them hold onto their wallets, further strangling the university.
And for what? How much have their petty games cost us average citizens, Penn State and our commonwealth? Half a billion?
A singular lie in Fina's presentment has had so many more repercussions across the landscape than just a botched political assassination.
I have to ask - are we better off 4 years later as a result of Frank Fina and Tom Corbett's actions in November 2011?
Lawyers and politicians got us into this mess, they're making money off this mess, and they're supposed to get us out of this mess?
Hahahahahahhaaa
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When the justice system works for Tom Corbett's henchmen like Frankie Fina, all is lost.
Aren't the hypocritical, morally and ethically indecent, scumbag "lawyers turned politicians" just wonderful? Just ask the arrogant-without-cause pricks how wonderful they are, they'll be happy to tell you what awesome, wonderful fellows they are... I feel a "power-boke" coming on, gotta go.
These people are disgusting. They will stop at nothing to drive their false narrative. It's obvious that their conspiracy theories are not supported by FACTS or EVIDENCE. It's like their entire mission in life is to make up S#it and then develop some kind of wacko narrative to support it.
It would have been more accurate if she'd written:
Now, Morrow has immunity in the case. And he says that after several tries, he’s finally saying what the prosecution wants him to say.
The problem with lies - is trying to keep all of them straight. So if you tell ten different stories, how do we know that the one you are claiming is the truth is the actual truth?
Hey, Rocky - watch me pull a rabbit out of this hat!
Again?
This time for sure!!!
Morrow sings," I can see clearly now...." I have immunity. How many times are the Corbett Cadets going to get away with this shit?
Al Capone thought that he had the same as well at one time. We all know how that worked out.
This is one is worth the wait. I like my dish well seasoned.
Now you see what I said 5 years ago .....This has NEVER been a "Sports Scandal"!! It has always been a POLITICAL SCANDAL!
I am sick to death about the standard response to support "the Story" of "...you don't care about the VICTIMS..." when you try to point out the obvious absurdities in the Penn State Fiasco. The only "VICTIMS" I see are those who expect to have their rights protected by the laws of our state and nation and instead find there is no JUSTICE in a corrupted and therefore lawless STATE.
The entire court system - including the PA State Police - has been corrupted and Hy-jacked. What is the only thing that the "PUBLIC" can talk about? The media promoted, criminally engineered "Story"...an obvious fact-less fabrication manufactured by the criminal elements in PA Politics.
The result is a deception has created by the "bright shiny objects" of Joe Paterno and Penn State's Criminal Football Culture! WHY would anyone believe such trash? Because that's what this "story" was engineered to have the public focus on. The "Story" is a slight of hand ILLUSION designed to get people to ignore the real failures of responsibility by the State and TSM in Sandusky's long-term charity activities!
Here is one of the most interesting FACTS (yes....REAL FACTS for a change) of the past 5 years..... EVERY single institution that has been DIRECTLY chartered or elected to PROTECT rights and assure "Justice" (or a level playing field of competition) has contributed to the very "Public Story" that hides real criminal actions (in the past, present AND future). This includes our own executive BOT, PA State Police, OAG, PA Courts, and the NCAA.
AMAZING isn't it!!!
None of this will ever change until the voters get fed up enough to change it by sweeping out the current political establishment- all of it.
I'd predict that happens on the 12th of Never.
I'd predict that happens on the 12th of Never.
So funny, thank you Wendy. Try to be gentle w/Dr. Evil...don't drop him on his head.
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A strange "trial" indeed.
W - I'm sure you have as much insight/understanding wrt this case as anyone......interested in hearing your thoughts.
From the peanut gallery, it appears that KK simply dug in with the "F these guys, they ain't got dick" defense.
Quite frankly, that's probably the way I would feel if I were her.........but I'm not sure if that is the best way to handle a criminal defense
from the morning call....
"If the jury finds Kane guilty on both felony perjury counts, the maximum, but unlikely sentence, she could face is a $30,000 fine and 14 years in prison. The state constitution states Kane would have to resign her office if found guilty of crimes involving her office but state court decisions have ruled the resignations do not have to occur until sentencing, a process that could take up to three months."
Sentencing will probably take place immediately, while CC&S will see the new judge assigned to their trial leave next year and the courts will be looking once again for another judge to proceed over the trial.
Mama said "life is like a box of chocolates...."
"If the jury finds Kane guilty on both felony perjury counts, the maximum, but unlikely sentence, she could face is a $30,000 fine and 14 years in prison. The state constitution states Kane would have to resign her office if found guilty of crimes involving her office but state court decisions have ruled the resignations do not have to occur until sentencing, a process that could take up to three months."
Sentencing will probably take place immediately, while CC&S will see the new judge assigned to their trial leave next year and the courts will be looking once again for another judge to proceed over the trial.
Mama said "life is like a box of chocolates...."
I'm not sure I'd testify in a Pennsylvania court either- I'd try to get it into a US court as quickly as possible.A strange "trial" indeed.
W - I'm sure you have as much insight/understanding wrt this case as anyone......interested in hearing your thoughts.
From the peanut gallery, it appears that KK simply dug in with the "F these guys, they ain't got dick" defense.
Quite frankly, that's probably the way I would feel if I were her.........but I'm not sure if that is the best way to handle a criminal defense
Not sure of all the legalities and hoops that would need to be "jumped through"......but you certainly bring up a valid concern.
http://fox43.com/2016/08/15/closing-arguments-today-in-pennsylvania-ag-kathleen-kane-perjury-trial/
Closing arguments today in Pennsylvania AG Kathleen Kane perjury trial
Posted 11:11 AM, August 15, 2016, by Matt Maisel
Attorney General Kathleen Kane
NORRISTOWN, Pa. — Closing arguments have begun in the perjury trial against state attorney general Kathleen Kane.
Kane, 50, is Pennsylvania’s first female and Democrat elected Attorney General. In addition to perjury, she is facing charges of obstruction, official oppression, and false swearing in regards to grand jury documents leaked in 2014 from a 2009 investigation. Prosecutors argue the confidential information was leaked by Kane to the Philadelphia Daily News in order to embarrass a political rival.
Defense attorney Seth Farber spoke for over 90 minutes in making Kane’s closing remarks Monday morning inside a Montgomery County courtroom. His arguments focused on how it was not Kane obsessed with seeking revenge on former Philadelphia deputy district attorney Frank Fina, but instead her former political consultant Josh Morrow. It was Morrow, defense attorneys argued, who was “hell-bent” on getting back at Fina after a March 2014 article in the Philadelphia Inquirer gave Kane negative press.
Morrow testified last week he was “angry” after reading the article about his one-time friend, Kane.
Farber pointed out how, in the series of text messages sent back and forth, Kane never mentioned Frank Fina’s name.
Farber also focused on the testimony of Morrow, who was prosecutors’ key witness. Morrow turned over months of text messages sent in 2014 between he and Kane. Morrow said he lied twice under oath, when testifying to the grand jury in regards to the grand jury investigation in November 2014. It was only then, he says, the burden of lying became too much that he decided to come forward.
However, Morrow is under the protection of immunity, and his testimony was in contrast to one of the state’s other top witnesses, Kane’s former first deputy Adrian King.
Morrow said he was told by Kane in April 2014 to call King to pick up the documents to give to the Daily News. King, however, said he was being framed by Morrow and Kane.
“King and Morrow are two witnesses who will say whatever they need to do to protect themselves,” Farber told the Montgomery County jury. “You would not even buy a used car from either of them.”
Farber then called into question Adrian King’s character, accusing him of lying in his testimony last week when he said he thought the documents Kane told him to take to Philadelphia to give to Morrow were campaign materials.
“Adrian King knew exactly what was in those documents,” Farber said. “His testimony that it was campaign material is a flat out lie.”
Farber then read excerpts of Kane’s 2014 grand jury testimony, so, as he said, the jury could receive the full context of her testimony where she is accused of perjuring herself.
At the end of his remarks, Farber walked over to Kane, sitting with her defense team, and said, “Kathleen Kane sits here, not as Attorney General, but as a citizen of Scranton just like everybody else. To look at evidence, the value of evidence, and return the only verdict the evidence in this case suggests: Not guilty.”
Montgomery County District Attorney Kevin Steele will deliver closing arguments for the Commonwealth.
Closing arguments today in Pennsylvania AG Kathleen Kane perjury trial
Posted 11:11 AM, August 15, 2016, by Matt Maisel
Attorney General Kathleen Kane
NORRISTOWN, Pa. — Closing arguments have begun in the perjury trial against state attorney general Kathleen Kane.
Kane, 50, is Pennsylvania’s first female and Democrat elected Attorney General. In addition to perjury, she is facing charges of obstruction, official oppression, and false swearing in regards to grand jury documents leaked in 2014 from a 2009 investigation. Prosecutors argue the confidential information was leaked by Kane to the Philadelphia Daily News in order to embarrass a political rival.
Defense attorney Seth Farber spoke for over 90 minutes in making Kane’s closing remarks Monday morning inside a Montgomery County courtroom. His arguments focused on how it was not Kane obsessed with seeking revenge on former Philadelphia deputy district attorney Frank Fina, but instead her former political consultant Josh Morrow. It was Morrow, defense attorneys argued, who was “hell-bent” on getting back at Fina after a March 2014 article in the Philadelphia Inquirer gave Kane negative press.
Morrow testified last week he was “angry” after reading the article about his one-time friend, Kane.
Farber pointed out how, in the series of text messages sent back and forth, Kane never mentioned Frank Fina’s name.
Farber also focused on the testimony of Morrow, who was prosecutors’ key witness. Morrow turned over months of text messages sent in 2014 between he and Kane. Morrow said he lied twice under oath, when testifying to the grand jury in regards to the grand jury investigation in November 2014. It was only then, he says, the burden of lying became too much that he decided to come forward.
However, Morrow is under the protection of immunity, and his testimony was in contrast to one of the state’s other top witnesses, Kane’s former first deputy Adrian King.
Morrow said he was told by Kane in April 2014 to call King to pick up the documents to give to the Daily News. King, however, said he was being framed by Morrow and Kane.
“King and Morrow are two witnesses who will say whatever they need to do to protect themselves,” Farber told the Montgomery County jury. “You would not even buy a used car from either of them.”
Farber then called into question Adrian King’s character, accusing him of lying in his testimony last week when he said he thought the documents Kane told him to take to Philadelphia to give to Morrow were campaign materials.
“Adrian King knew exactly what was in those documents,” Farber said. “His testimony that it was campaign material is a flat out lie.”
Farber then read excerpts of Kane’s 2014 grand jury testimony, so, as he said, the jury could receive the full context of her testimony where she is accused of perjuring herself.
At the end of his remarks, Farber walked over to Kane, sitting with her defense team, and said, “Kathleen Kane sits here, not as Attorney General, but as a citizen of Scranton just like everybody else. To look at evidence, the value of evidence, and return the only verdict the evidence in this case suggests: Not guilty.”
Montgomery County District Attorney Kevin Steele will deliver closing arguments for the Commonwealth.
it scares me that a democratically elected official, especially the state's top law enforcer (who has been doing so much good work in cleaning up the drug trade and CSA offenders), could be put on trial and removed from office over something like this.
Even the most devout Kane haters should condemn this subversion of the will of the people.
Even the most devout Kane haters should condemn this subversion of the will of the people.
she was elected and supported to take them on.
we learned the hard way they are more cunning and ruthless than expected.
It's a messed up case where one of the charges against the accused is perjury and the prosecution tries to prove that charge by using someone who committed perjury themselves. Even worse, that witness was given a pass for lying as long as they testified as directed by the prosecution. Surely that person would lie again would they?? What would be in it for them except weaseling out of being throw in jail for their own perjury??
It's a messed up case where one of the charges against the accused is perjury and the prosecution tries to prove that charge by using someone who committed perjury themselves. Even worse, that witness was given a pass for lying as long as they testified as directed by the prosecution. Surely that person would lie again would they?? What would be in it for them except weaseling out of being throw in jail for their own perjury??
there was a grand jury leak from an investigation about a grand jury leak
it is literally insane
here's why Kane can't get a fair shake, with catty media trolls like Christine Flowers running columns like this:
Finding Delight in the fall of Kane
Finding Delight in the fall of Kane
Just wait until the C/S/S cases some to trial and they put McQueary on the stand.
So today DA Steele in closing arguments goes on about a "war" cooked up by Kane against Fina.
Will he ever, whilst wearing his PSAA hat, argue and discuss the "war" Corbett enacted on Spanier & by extent, his PSU community with the help of that very same Frank Fina?
Will he ever, whilst wearing his PSAA hat, argue and discuss the "war" Corbett enacted on Spanier & by extent, his PSU community with the help of that very same Frank Fina?
The level of corruption is honestly frightening. Down to the Judge not allowing the defense to introduce the targeted prosecution or Sandusky angle. Like a show trial from the Soviet Union in the 1950s.
which baffles be why some people are so virulently anti-Kane
really, the criticism boils down to: "she wasn't as good at corruption as the people already there"
It's simple. There are a group of partisans that everyone who is a Republican is good, and everyone who is a Democrat is bad. And reverse for some Democrats. People have to get past party labels, it doesn't mean much these days.
I've been impressed with many posters on this board who I know are Republicans and they have seen and understood the level of evil and ill intent displayed by Corbett and his cronies. And haven't been shy about calling it out.
Respek.
