You should be.....those thoughts are reserved for old coots like myself & arts-letters. I forgot, arts-letters wishes to be called a distinguished senior citizen
FC: The Kane Trial in Norristown
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bwifan
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You should be.....those thoughts are reserved for old coots like myself & arts-letters. I forgot, arts-letters wishes to be called a distinguished senior citizen
Well we all defer to Rush Chairman... He is truly the man about town
I spoke to her briefly in Jan. 2012. Not my type, sort of pasty looking but still attractive. Like my dad used to say, call me anything you want, just don't call me late for dinner.You should be.....those thoughts are reserved for old coots like myself & arts-letters. I forgot, arts-letters wishes to be called a distinguished senior citizen
Could be a Billy Joel song. "Well we're waiting here in Norristown. While they try bring the Kane girl down..."
Let's be honest, Kane's not squeaky clean either. Come on, appointing your twin sister to a cushy job is just a few steps above Tomalis' ghost position. And God knows, you have to be dirty to get anywhere in Scranton politics. She made several statements she had to backpedal on, particularly about Sandusky, which was one of her big campaign issues.
No doubt she made enemies and pissed people off. Unfortunately for her, she gave her enemies enough ammo to come after her, and the opportunity to do so. Was she not savvy enough to head these people off before they could cause trouble? Did she think she'd have more support from her own party and governor?
It's amusing in a sad way to see people suddenly worried about leaking grand jury info to reporters (especially funny when the reporters put on their Macaulay Culkin Home Alone faces). Isn't leaking one of PA's official symbols, right up there with mountain laurel, the ruffed grouse, and the lane closed ahead sign?
No doubt she made enemies and pissed people off. Unfortunately for her, she gave her enemies enough ammo to come after her, and the opportunity to do so. Was she not savvy enough to head these people off before they could cause trouble? Did she think she'd have more support from her own party and governor?
It's amusing in a sad way to see people suddenly worried about leaking grand jury info to reporters (especially funny when the reporters put on their Macaulay Culkin Home Alone faces). Isn't leaking one of PA's official symbols, right up there with mountain laurel, the ruffed grouse, and the lane closed ahead sign?
The comments on Pennlies are disgusting. The same anti-Joe crowd is there bashing Kathleen. These people have no job other than to convict innocent people of crimes they did not commit.
JJ hasn't worked in decades, he's on disability. Most of the other goofs are from the Liar.
DiMaggio is an imposter, and a liar.
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bwifan
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OUCH!!!...
Under cross-examination, Kane’s lawyer asked Beemer whether he too had signed a secrecy oath.
“I have no recollection of signing oaths for grand juries 1 through 32,” Beemer testified.
With that, to everyone’s surprise, including Beemer’s, the lawyer produced a copy of a secrecy oath, signed by Bruce Beemer.
“It appears to be my signature,” Beemer choked.
An honest mistake? Kane’s lawyer asked.
With that, it appears, the jurors may likely acquit Kane of this charge. People do make honest mistakes, and forget things, as Beemer himself demonstrated.
Beemer appeared stunned. During a break in testimony he stood in a back hallway near the courtroom, looking at a wall, appearing introspective and forlorn.
Under cross-examination, Kane’s lawyer asked Beemer whether he too had signed a secrecy oath.
“I have no recollection of signing oaths for grand juries 1 through 32,” Beemer testified.
With that, to everyone’s surprise, including Beemer’s, the lawyer produced a copy of a secrecy oath, signed by Bruce Beemer.
“It appears to be my signature,” Beemer choked.
An honest mistake? Kane’s lawyer asked.
With that, it appears, the jurors may likely acquit Kane of this charge. People do make honest mistakes, and forget things, as Beemer himself demonstrated.
Beemer appeared stunned. During a break in testimony he stood in a back hallway near the courtroom, looking at a wall, appearing introspective and forlorn.
Interesting comments about the jury's reaction from an observer in the court room that day.
And just think folks - Kane lost her LAW LICENSE over this nonsense.
Just think about that - you want to destroy your political opponents? Make up a bogus charge - get some dumb judge/prosecutor to play along - win the battle in the media - reap the political fall-out - and don't worry about the highly probable chance that everything falls apart in the courtroom. The battle is won in the bringing of the charges, NOT in the winning of the charges.
Frank Fina's playbook, folks.
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PA politics is so morally bankrupt that the state should be put into receivership.
BING - F&CKING - O!!!!
Absolutely JJ. The Fina Boys only have one page in their playbook........but they execute it so well
What most folks don't realize - why would they, who has time to follow all this stuff? - is that this playbook of the Fina Boys is pervasive......it is not like they just made this thing up on the fly to deal with the CSS stuff.
This is their DNA - and it is how they have handled every significant case that ever crossed their paths.
"“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”.....Carl Sagan
Not looking good right now. She'll get a shot at cross examination.
Who knows what the hell went on.
Who knows what the hell went on.
Wendy (and whomever else wants to weigh in),
I don't understand why people are looking to defend KK.
I get the strong impression that many posters don't like Fina, Beemer and so on. I understand why people feel that way, but just because you don't like what they have done does not mean that KK's behavior in office has been acceptable.
I totally understand the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" concept. In my opinion, that should not extend to defending someone who has potentially committed criminal acts (as the jury may or may not decide). If KK is convicted, she should face the consequences as we all should. This is all the more true for the highest law enforcement officer in the state.
What am I missing in this equation to make so many posters defend her? Surely, the Inqy and DN (which are very liberal papers) have not done so. They have been extremely critical of her performance as the AG. Aside from potential criminal activity, her administration has been an embarrassment to the Commonwealth.
From reading the posts talking about her being railroaded, scapegoated, etc., I feel like I am missing something. I think she has brought her problems on herself. I'm not looking for any kind of arguments here, I just would like to better understand why people are defending her performance.
GEt all the people in Kane's office to testify against her. Find a DA with no ties to Fina to charge her. GEt a jury with no ties to Fina to convict her. She is guilty.
Kane shit the bed wrt some things she should have done - for YEARS
That said, anyone who can't see what she was up against......who can't (or won't) recognize the AMTRAK sized railroad job concocted against her ........
Well, someone that oblivious (or conflicted) ain't worth talking to.
Is Morrow the guy who got the "get out of jail free" card.....courtesy of the State Prosecutors? OTTOMH, I think he did
If so.......would his testimony surprise anyone?
Would it be a surprise if The Fina Boys had Morrow testifying that Kane was raping 14 year old boys - two at a time - in her private office? Or, maybe, kidnapping that poor Lindbergh kid?
I don't have respect for Law Enforcement today. To many of them look like left over brown shirts. Their attitudes SUCK too. My best friend was an Allentown Police Sargent(RIP). He, and his fellow officers had no time for the excessively macho crap that goes on today. My grandfather was a Police Chief. He would be tough when he had to, but he never had the attitude these guys have now. Protect and Serve, not bully and intimidate.
I'll play.
< zips up flame suit >
I can only compare it to the corruptly manufactured case against the PSU 3. I see the same stuff swirling around in the background that Fina and gang did to Tim, Graham, Gary and by extent, Joe - and even further - the damage done to the larger Penn State community.
Whether we like it or not, our collective outrage against Tom Corbett's Office of Attorney General swept Kane into office.
She is allowed due process, something that has not been afforded the others. And to be honest, after 4 years of this crap - I personally have to question everything that's being reported. Especially when I've personally spoken to most of these reporters, they tell me they'll dig into certain areas, and then they don't.
Unfortunately, Kathleen Kane and her travails is yet another log on the fire of Frank Fina's singular lie of "anal rape in a Penn State shower". Add that to the evergrowing list of financial, social, emotional & professional losses and costs.
I often think to myself, assuming there is still a Federal investigation quietly going on in the background - how many have to be destroyed until there's a tipping point?
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bwifan
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Is Morrow the guy who got the "get out of jail free" card.....courtesy of the State Prosecutors? OTTOMH, I think he did
If so.......would his testimony surprise anyone?
Would it be a surprise if The Fina Boys had Morrow testifying that Kane was raping 14 year old boys - two at a time - in her private office? Or, maybe, kidnapping that poor Lindbergh kid?
Yes if my memory serves me correct he got the free pass to pass go and collect $200
I grew up outside Chicago during the Richard J. Daley (the old man) days and what is going on in Philadelphia and the entire State of PA makes those days seem tame and down right benign. This State is a disgrace fro top to bottom and from both sides of the isle. It seems you get elected and you just start feeding at the trough. I guess I thought politicians were supposed to serve the people and have some semblance of ethical standards - silly me.
I agree with much of this, and thanks for a reasonable reply.
I don't like how Noonan et al grandstanded. As law enforcement officers, you should seek the truth. Those guys wanted headlines and self-aggrandizement. It was sickening.
While what has been done to PSU (and conversely, not done to TSM) is an outrage, I don't see how our disgust over the treatment of PSU should translate into support for KK. It is just a non sequitur.
The criticism of her performance in office has been pretty bi-partisan, although certainly more so from the R's as you would expect. Wolf said she should resign. I still do not understand why people are defending her.
To the other poster, I don't think she has been railroaded. I think she brought things on herself by her many missteps in office. I'm not sure how that makes me oblivious.
bwifan
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Yes but are they Pro voters and what is the math to calculate the actual number of voting slots???
the reason people are defending her:
#1 - the alternative was David Freed. go ahead and google
#2 - your criticism of her seems to boil down to her not being as adept at corruption as the old boy network which still controls most of the state
#3 - as we are learning from the trial, a democratically elected, highest ranking law enforcement official is being forced from office over a petty pissing contest with Fina
good Lord, once you learn she allegedly leaked information ANOTHER journalist claimed he had a week before the alleged leak . . . do the math
Katie the Crook. She lies, lies, lies, then lies again. Time is the hoosegow is a coming. Love it!!!
Blind sheep like you are one of Americas biggest problems.
Of course not.
By definition, the oblivious (or conflicted...or maybe both) can NEVER recognize their own "obliviousity" (or confliction)
"“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”.....Carl Sagan
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