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did Houdashelt initiate any moves on his feet? ...
I can only recall 2 attempts, and both of them were counters, including the on in SV where he got the win.
I can only recall 2 attempts, and both of them were counters, including the on in SV where he got the win.
Byers interviewing LawDog ...
- offense against Mellon started slow but I wore him out.
- you have to be able to ride, which I did in that match
- a little deja vu with getting a TD in SV to win
- not sure how I got in, but I got in deep and got the TD
- parents told me later there were only a few seconds left
- no regrets coming to PSU. I matured as a man and an athlete
- happy to finish my career as a Nittany Lion
- haven't thought thru plans for the future, have to give my body a chance to get healthy
- you're only young once, taken advantages of your opportunities
- will weight options, and will see what I can do athletically
sounded like a great guy
- offense against Mellon started slow but I wore him out.
- you have to be able to ride, which I did in that match
- a little deja vu with getting a TD in SV to win
- not sure how I got in, but I got in deep and got the TD
- parents told me later there were only a few seconds left
- no regrets coming to PSU. I matured as a man and an athlete
- happy to finish my career as a Nittany Lion
- haven't thought thru plans for the future, have to give my body a chance to get healthy
- you're only young once, taken advantages of your opportunities
- will weight options, and will see what I can do athletically
sounded like a great guy
nice to see the action in IMar - Realbuto match ...
1st undefeated freshman champ since CS.
Realbuto is no slouch, and IMar dominated.
1st undefeated freshman champ since CS.
Realbuto is no slouch, and IMar dominated.
Re: nice to see the action in IMar - Realbuto match ...
Martinez is a special wrestler. Dominate and poised as a Freshman. I would not bet against him equalling Cael's undefeated College record.
Martinez is a special wrestler. Dominate and poised as a Freshman. I would not bet against him equalling Cael's undefeated College record.
wow, stunning ending to Brown - Wilps match ...
stall call with 3 sec to tie it up.
not sure what Tim Shields was looking at in regulation, as that was a clear locked hands.
he makes the call on Cael's challenge.
so then Pitt challenges whether the locked hands occurred before time ran out.
and the call is, 1 sec left, so Brown is the champion.
rarely see such stuff at the end of a match for the national championship.
Tom
stall call with 3 sec to tie it up.
not sure what Tim Shields was looking at in regulation, as that was a clear locked hands.
he makes the call on Cael's challenge.
so then Pitt challenges whether the locked hands occurred before time ran out.
and the call is, 1 sec left, so Brown is the champion.
rarely see such stuff at the end of a match for the national championship.
Tom
WOW! WOW! WOW! ETC
ETC Brown won in the last 3 seconds. tied with 3 seconds and then won with 1 second. WOW! WOW!
This post was edited on 3/22 7:36 PM by Dungeon Yankee
ETC Brown won in the last 3 seconds. tied with 3 seconds and then won with 1 second. WOW! WOW!
This post was edited on 3/22 7:36 PM by Dungeon Yankee
Re: wow, stunning ending to Brown - Wilps match ...
not the way he wanted to win, but he did win. Should have gotten a point earlier when Pitt was hanging on the legs for much longer than 5 - don't know why the count was delayed
- great comments by Brown - my motto as well - what goes around comes around - as he referred to his match two years ago!
not the way he wanted to win, but he did win. Should have gotten a point earlier when Pitt was hanging on the legs for much longer than 5 - don't know why the count was delayed
- great comments by Brown - my motto as well - what goes around comes around - as he referred to his match two years ago!
Re: wow, stunning ending to Brown - Wilps match ...
Was watching match on ESPN app on my iPad and the guy's were bitching about the stall call that tied the match. Dan Gable said something to the effect that what was Wilps supposed to do?You are not allowed to hang on the legs. I thought it was the right call. Brown was clearly the aggressor for most of the match. He just relaxed on that takedown.
Was watching match on ESPN app on my iPad and the guy's were bitching about the stall call that tied the match. Dan Gable said something to the effect that what was Wilps supposed to do?You are not allowed to hang on the legs. I thought it was the right call. Brown was clearly the aggressor for most of the match. He just relaxed on that takedown.
Re: wow, stunning ending to Brown - Wilps match ...
Great job by Matt! He should have benefited from another stall point also, which the announcers pointed out when Wilps was hanging onto Matt's ankles and the ref started the count too late. Matt pushed the action the entire match and Wilps was stalling his way through the match on his feet and when he was on top. I really thought they should have called Wilps for fleeing the mat when he was obviously sticking his feet and hands off the mat to stop action when Matt was getting in on some early shots. I was pretty sure I saw Wilps actually grab the outside edge of the mat one time.
There was no controversy from my perspective. The refs the called the match the way it should have been called. It's nice to see our guys rewarded for pushing the action for a change instead of rewarding guys for stalling.
My hat's off to the officials for having the balls to call it right.
Congrats to Matt Brown - NCAA CHAMPION!!
Great job by Matt! He should have benefited from another stall point also, which the announcers pointed out when Wilps was hanging onto Matt's ankles and the ref started the count too late. Matt pushed the action the entire match and Wilps was stalling his way through the match on his feet and when he was on top. I really thought they should have called Wilps for fleeing the mat when he was obviously sticking his feet and hands off the mat to stop action when Matt was getting in on some early shots. I was pretty sure I saw Wilps actually grab the outside edge of the mat one time.
There was no controversy from my perspective. The refs the called the match the way it should have been called. It's nice to see our guys rewarded for pushing the action for a change instead of rewarding guys for stalling.
My hat's off to the officials for having the balls to call it right.
Congrats to Matt Brown - NCAA CHAMPION!!
Re: wow, stunning ending to Brown - Wilps match ...
My hat's off to the officials for having the balls to call it right.
Of course, I wanted Matt Brown to win, but the calls were both correct and the officials got it right. Fans are always complaining about officials not calling stalling enough and Wilps was stalling. It doesn't matter whether there are 3 seconds left or 23 seconds left. The call was correct. The locked hands call was correct too. It was an unfortunate way for Wilps to lose. Nevertheless, Matt Brown deserved to win.
My hat's off to the officials for having the balls to call it right.
Of course, I wanted Matt Brown to win, but the calls were both correct and the officials got it right. Fans are always complaining about officials not calling stalling enough and Wilps was stalling. It doesn't matter whether there are 3 seconds left or 23 seconds left. The call was correct. The locked hands call was correct too. It was an unfortunate way for Wilps to lose. Nevertheless, Matt Brown deserved to win.
197: Gadson pins Snyder ... that was great ...
nearly gets taken down, fights it off, and then stuffs Snyder to his back and gets the pin!
boring match became the most exciting match of the evening in just a few seconds.
I'm happy for the the kid after what he's been through.
nearly gets taken down, fights it off, and then stuffs Snyder to his back and gets the pin!
boring match became the most exciting match of the evening in just a few seconds.
I'm happy for the the kid after what he's been through.
Gwiz wins at 285 ...
hard to believe that Coon didn't make more of an effort to ride him after tieing the match with a TD with about 16 sec. left.
happy for Gwiz, though every time he wins a NCAA title (2 times now), I am reminded of how much he wanted to wrestle for PSU. Oh well.
Tom
hard to believe that Coon didn't make more of an effort to ride him after tieing the match with a TD with about 16 sec. left.
happy for Gwiz, though every time he wins a NCAA title (2 times now), I am reminded of how much he wanted to wrestle for PSU. Oh well.
Tom
Re: 197: Gadson pins Snyder ... that was great ...
I love wrestling more than anything in life, I really do. I was born and bread in the state college area wrestling in the late 90's and PSU Football is a close second. Very close, but what Gadson just did makes me appreciate my father even more. When he continued last year when his Father passed was amazing. And now to just see him deck Snyder, couldn't be happier for a man.
Very happy for the PSU team this year and I CAN NOT WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR...can't wait to see Nolf, as a former wrestler, I just see something in this kid alaTaylor he is focused. Happy with this year but in my opinion we could have done better.
This team is gonna be special for the next 3-5 years
I bleed blue and white..great win for Gadson..besides PSU guys happiest to see him do what he did!
Matt Brown is a Man worthy of a title so happy for him. Great great human being. Very great night.(hated to see it that way but it WAS LOCKED)
Don't post much but did we finish ahead of Minn? ahahahhaha love the board wish doe would come back more often
I love wrestling more than anything in life, I really do. I was born and bread in the state college area wrestling in the late 90's and PSU Football is a close second. Very close, but what Gadson just did makes me appreciate my father even more. When he continued last year when his Father passed was amazing. And now to just see him deck Snyder, couldn't be happier for a man.
Very happy for the PSU team this year and I CAN NOT WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR...can't wait to see Nolf, as a former wrestler, I just see something in this kid alaTaylor he is focused. Happy with this year but in my opinion we could have done better.
This team is gonna be special for the next 3-5 years
I bleed blue and white..great win for Gadson..besides PSU guys happiest to see him do what he did!
Matt Brown is a Man worthy of a title so happy for him. Great great human being. Very great night.(hated to see it that way but it WAS LOCKED)
Don't post much but did we finish ahead of Minn? ahahahhaha love the board wish doe would come back more often
a few things ...
in the finals, they are the clock person at the end of each period. you might notice 2nite that there are not people whose job it is to tap the lead ref when the buzzer sounds. as such, when the action took place the 2nd ref was probably counting the clock.
they also can signal things, like locked hands, if they see them, though it's up to the center ref to call the technical violation. in the case of the Brown match, the locked hands happened right in front of the lead ref, and the 2nd ref was behind the action (they usually are opposite each other) so the 2nd ref would not have been in position to see the locked hands.
locked hands can be harder to call than you might imagine. they happen all the time in youth matches and with high school JV kids. You don't see them a lot in high school varsity (at least with talented ones), or in college, as those kids know when to release. in addition, at the time of the locked hands the ref would be more focused on whether Brown escaped or not, knowing that an esc would give him the win. (that's one of the reasons that it's hard to notice, as it often occurs when something else is taking place, so the focus is not in looking for the locked hands.)
hope that helps.
Tom
in the finals, they are the clock person at the end of each period. you might notice 2nite that there are not people whose job it is to tap the lead ref when the buzzer sounds. as such, when the action took place the 2nd ref was probably counting the clock.
they also can signal things, like locked hands, if they see them, though it's up to the center ref to call the technical violation. in the case of the Brown match, the locked hands happened right in front of the lead ref, and the 2nd ref was behind the action (they usually are opposite each other) so the 2nd ref would not have been in position to see the locked hands.
locked hands can be harder to call than you might imagine. they happen all the time in youth matches and with high school JV kids. You don't see them a lot in high school varsity (at least with talented ones), or in college, as those kids know when to release. in addition, at the time of the locked hands the ref would be more focused on whether Brown escaped or not, knowing that an esc would give him the win. (that's one of the reasons that it's hard to notice, as it often occurs when something else is taking place, so the focus is not in looking for the locked hands.)
hope that helps.
Tom
we did finish ahead of Minny ...
we're currently in 6th place, and they are in 8th place, and they don't have anyone in the finals, so they can't increase their score. Ok St. is in 7th place, and their finalist already wrestled, so they are not going to move ahead of us.
as for Doe, I also hope he returns.
Tom
we're currently in 6th place, and they are in 8th place, and they don't have anyone in the finals, so they can't increase their score. Ok St. is in 7th place, and their finalist already wrestled, so they are not going to move ahead of us.
as for Doe, I also hope he returns.
Tom
Moisey did great as a true freshman ...
sorry to see him injured. that seemed to take some of his shooting abilities away, and he needed all of them to best Tomasello.
Moisey wasn't even on my radar as a possible guy at 125 to be in the finals. I thought Tomasello had an outside chance, but he did better than I expected at Nationals.
sorry to see him injured. that seemed to take some of his shooting abilities away, and he needed all of them to best Tomasello.
Moisey wasn't even on my radar as a possible guy at 125 to be in the finals. I thought Tomasello had an outside chance, but he did better than I expected at Nationals.
Re: 197: Gadson pins Snyder ... that was great ...
I was also really pulling for Nate Brown. For what he went through -- being assaulted out of an NCAA tourney appearance by a Cornell wrestler -- beating another Cornell wrestler in the final would've been a great story. At least he has another chance.
BTW, all 8 AAs at 184 return next year.
I was also really pulling for Nate Brown. For what he went through -- being assaulted out of an NCAA tourney appearance by a Cornell wrestler -- beating another Cornell wrestler in the final would've been a great story. At least he has another chance.
BTW, all 8 AAs at 184 return next year.
Brewer was an offensive machine at 133 ...
I understand why he was seeded at 13th, but he did not wrestle anything like a guy seeded at that level.
Clark is a great Iowa wrestler, but Brewer took him apart with TDs.
Quite an interesting match, and a lot more action that you typically see at Nationals.
I understand why he was seeded at 13th, but he did not wrestle anything like a guy seeded at that level.
Clark is a great Iowa wrestler, but Brewer took him apart with TDs.
Quite an interesting match, and a lot more action that you typically see at Nationals.
yeah, I was rooting for him as well ...
but I didn't have a lot of hope that he'd win. I don't think Brown has ever beaten Dean, at least in college.
would have been poetic justice if he defeated a Cornell wrestler for the win, though it wasn't as though Dean was responsible for that incident.
but I didn't have a lot of hope that he'd win. I don't think Brown has ever beaten Dean, at least in college.
would have been poetic justice if he defeated a Cornell wrestler for the win, though it wasn't as though Dean was responsible for that incident.
great that matt won.not overjoyed about how but that certainly isn't matt's fault.give the refs props for making what was a correct but difficult call.matt has been a wonderful representative of penn state and i am very proud of him off and on the mat.good luck in whatever you pursue from here.
Re: nice to see the action in IMar - Realbuto match ...
Probably a better chance that Dieringer and/or BoJo move up than IMar. IMar's frame looks about filled out.
Probably a better chance that Dieringer and/or BoJo move up than IMar. IMar's frame looks about filled out.
I thought it was fascinating when Gabe Dean "corrected" the GT football story after his win. Who actually started it? Gabe or the network? An overzealous assistant PR person in the Cornell athletic department. That story reeked of made up drama.
Re: nice to see the action in IMar - Realbuto match ...
True. IMar just might be a career 157. Also, BoJo is a huge 165 pounder and Dieringer would most likely move up in order to Improve Okie State's lineup. IMar surely wouldn't horse either one of those guys at 165 though. Just like to see the best guys give it a go - the way Dake and Taylor did. As of now, Dieringer seems to be the best of the three. It spoke volumes of how unimpressed John Smith acted after his easy victory last night. As others have pointed out, Smith sees great potential in Dieringer and visions of a successful USA freestyle run for him. Can't wait to see Anthony Valencia in the mix too, although he could never make 57 now and the only way they would wrestle in college is if IMar went up in weight. If A Valencia doesn't red shirt and either or both Dieringer and BoJo stay at 165, that would be great too.
This post was edited on 3/22 10:12 AM by mn78psu83
True. IMar just might be a career 157. Also, BoJo is a huge 165 pounder and Dieringer would most likely move up in order to Improve Okie State's lineup. IMar surely wouldn't horse either one of those guys at 165 though. Just like to see the best guys give it a go - the way Dake and Taylor did. As of now, Dieringer seems to be the best of the three. It spoke volumes of how unimpressed John Smith acted after his easy victory last night. As others have pointed out, Smith sees great potential in Dieringer and visions of a successful USA freestyle run for him. Can't wait to see Anthony Valencia in the mix too, although he could never make 57 now and the only way they would wrestle in college is if IMar went up in weight. If A Valencia doesn't red shirt and either or both Dieringer and BoJo stay at 165, that would be great too.
This post was edited on 3/22 10:12 AM by mn78psu83
never heard the full story ...
I've heard different versions, one being the one you listed.
Perhaps Tim knows more, or El-Jefe knows more, and will post about it.
Tom
I've heard different versions, one being the one you listed.
Perhaps Tim knows more, or El-Jefe knows more, and will post about it.
Tom
Re: 197: Gadson pins Snyder ... that was great ...
I'm not impressed with Snyder's style - he has way too much of the "stall to win" strategy in him for my tastes. I thought he should have been called for multiple stalls in his semi-final match against Cox. Gadson gave him precisely what he deserved with all his BS "pushing around", pointless hand-fighting, etc...stalling technique. He doesn't attempt to "beat" the other guy - he does basically nothing (literally stalls 90% of the match) and looks for a BS "counter-attack" off the other wrestler's aggression to win the match. Snyder recorded 1-point stall-fest wins against both Shiller and Cox in the quarters and semis.....he got EXACTLY what he deserved in the finals where he was over-matched and his stall-fest BS was not rewarded and his zero-offense BS was "stuck" to the mat just like it deserved.
Snyder was about as "stuck" as you can get in finals, by Iowa State's Gadson
Often times when a guy gets rolled onto his back, his arms, legs and torso are moving to try to counter the situation.
Perhaps he had the wind knocked out of him when he went down hard. But, his arms and feet moved less than most I've seen, when they are facing a potential Fall.
That said, it could also indicate that Gadson just had him totally "Stuck" and that was all she wrote!
Youtube of match - Scroll to about 5:50 to see final section after the reset.
This post was edited on 3/22 6:31 PM by T J
Often times when a guy gets rolled onto his back, his arms, legs and torso are moving to try to counter the situation.
Perhaps he had the wind knocked out of him when he went down hard. But, his arms and feet moved less than most I've seen, when they are facing a potential Fall.
That said, it could also indicate that Gadson just had him totally "Stuck" and that was all she wrote!
Youtube of match - Scroll to about 5:50 to see final section after the reset.
"The Gadson" untamed...
Iowa State's Kyven Gadson pulls Ohio State's Kyle Snyder to the ground to go for a pin in the 197 pound NCAA Championship at the Scottrade Center in St. Louis, Mo. on Saturday, March 21, 2015. Gadson pinned Snyder in 4:24. David Scrivner / Iowa City Press-Citizen
Iowa State's Kyven Gadson celebrates his pin on Ohio State's Kyle Snyder in the 197 pound NCAA Championship at the Scottrade Center in St. Louis, Mo. on Saturday, March 21, 2015. Gadson pinned Snyder in 4:24. David Scrivner / Iowa City Press-Citizen
Iowa State's Kyven Gadson accepts his 197 pound NCAA Championship title at the Scottrade Center in St. Louis, Mo. on Saturday, March 21, 2015. Gadson pinned Snyder in 4:24. David Scrivner / Iowa City Press
This post was edited on 3/22 6:31 PM by T J
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