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Flo 184 Predictions

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CP names only Bo, Dean, Martin as title contenders, and predicts Bo on top in March, reasoning that Bo poses matchup difficulties for Dean.

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/47744-184-ncaa-preview-and-predictions

1. Bo Nickal, Penn State
2. Gabe Dean, Cornell
3. Myles Martin, Ohio State
4. Timothy Dudley, Nebraska
5. Pat Downey, Iowa State
6. Zack Zavatsky, Virginia Tech
7. Sammy Brooks, Iowa
8. Nolan Boyd, Oklahoma State
 
Interesting to rewatch that Nickal Dean FS match from a few years back, especially for the size difference. Bo is giving up a ton of weight there, and Dean knew he could coast on those pushouts because Bo didn't have the strength to finish those singles. Dean is still a truck, but I imagine Bo has closed the strength gap somewhat. I also think Bo is going to win more scrambles than he loses against Dean, so key would be to initiate the chaos and keep active. Even in that FS match with a clear size advantage Dean is only interested in coasting on his pushout points.
 
Love it!! I apologize to CP..early when Flo was doing their "rankings" I was all over him not having freshmen on the list. Now I understand why. These predictions are fun..all based on subjective opinion. I too believe Nickal will take out Dean. I also see Suriano in finals. Season can't get started soon enough!
 
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What's interesting is that CP is an Iowa fan--at least he always has been! He does say that he likes PSU's style of wrestling.
 
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Ol' Venom gettin' cray-cray. The Ruskies musta put something in his drink. It may not have killed him yet but it's definitely made him unable to think rationally.

Is Bo better than Ed Ruth?? Because baby Dean took out Ruth and has owned 184 for *two years straight.* Nickal is a beast but 184 belongs to Dean. Myles Martin also beat Bo when the lights were on. This is going to be the most exciting weight class!!
 
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ev_flores0331 said:
Ol' Venom gettin' cray-cray. The Ruskies musta put something in his drink. It may not have killed him yet but it's definitely made him unable to think rationally.

Is Bo better than Ed Ruth?? Because baby Dean took out Ruth and has owned 184 for *two years straight.* Nickal is a beast but 184 belongs to Dean. Myles Martin also beat Bo when the lights were on. This is going to be the most exciting weight class!!
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Unless you're stating confidently BoN will go 0-fer against Dean/Martin this year? What's 'irrational' about the prediction? Bold - yes. Crazy thought - No.
 
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Betting against a two-time champion? I guess I probably would have bet on Gwiz before Snyder won his first *WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP*
 
tikk10 said:
Interesting to rewatch that Nickal Dean FS match from a few years back, especially for the size difference. Bo is giving up a ton of weight there, and Dean knew he could coast on those pushouts because Bo didn't have the strength to finish those singles. Dean is still a truck, but I imagine Bo has closed the strength gap somewhat. I also think Bo is going to win more scrambles than he loses against Dean, so key would be to initiate the chaos and keep active. Even in that FS match with a clear size advantage Dean is only interested in coasting on his pushout points.
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Love it! Basically, just approach it the same as he did with Dean's teammate, Realbuto.
 
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I'm not sold that Myles Martin is gonna take 3rd while up to 184 with all of these heavy hitters.

Remember, his NCAA bracket parted liked the Red Sea in NYC.

Along his route the finals, the only seeded wrestler he faced was Hammonds from Cal St Bakersfield.

He's not gonna have that luck again in St Louis at 184
 
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I'm not sold that Myles Martin is gonna take 3rd while up to 184 with all of these heavy hitters.

Remember, his NCAA bracket parted liked the Red Sea in NYC.

Along his route the finals, the only seeded wrestler he faced was Hammonds from Cal St Bakersfield.

He's not gonna have that luck again in St Louis at 184
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This.
 
diggerpup said:
I'm not sold that Myles Martin is gonna take 3rd while up to 184 with all of these heavy hitters.

Remember, his NCAA bracket parted liked the Red Sea in NYC.

Along his route the finals, the only seeded wrestler he faced was Hammonds from Cal St Bakersfield.

He's not gonna have that luck again in St Louis at 184
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I was thinking the same thing. It has been a while since a bracket cleared out like that, topped by Bo forcing a move in the finals. Martin is good, but that NC he received, still has a lot of guestion marks attached to it, when predicting future results, in my mind.
 
diggerpup said:
I'm not sold that Myles Martin is gonna take 3rd while up to 184 with all of these heavy hitters.

Remember, his NCAA bracket parted liked the Red Sea in NYC.

Along his route the finals, the only seeded wrestler he faced was Hammonds from Cal St Bakersfield.

He's not gonna have that luck again in St Louis at 184
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diggerpup said:
I'm not sold that Myles Martin is gonna take 3rd while up to 184 with all of these heavy hitters.

Remember, his NCAA bracket parted liked the Red Sea in NYC.

Along his route the finals, the only seeded wrestler he faced was Hammonds from Cal St Bakersfield.

He's not gonna have that luck again in St Louis at 184
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I am sold. He's gonna maul people this year. People only remember what they wanna remember, but Myles was always a threat to Bo and he came through in the finals. I think Bo is right there with him. Hope Bo gets the better of him when it counts this year.
 
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I expect Myles will likely be in or around the top 5 all year. His bracket did part though, and Bo did go 3-1 against him (including a win at the BTT), so it's reasonable to think Bo will get the better of Myles this year.

I won't begrudge him that win in MSG though, Myles earned it and capitalized on the opening he was given.
 
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I'm not saying Myles is a bum.

I'm just saying he's gonna have to navigate a heckuva field to make 3rd or higher at 184.

Brooks, Dudley, Boyd, Miklus and Dechow aren't all gonna get upset in the same round and allow Myles to waltz to a final again.
 
Myles obviously is quite talented and very good. However, I bet you have to go far back into time looking for another freshman champion who most believed was this unlikely to win 4.
 

I don't like it, should be Dean. Now Dean has this list on his mirror next to his picture of Ivan Drago...he did not need this "Extra" motivation. Bo can beat him, but now Dean will be hyperfocused for this match and ready to prove CP wrong.
 
ev_flores0331 said:
Ol' Venom gettin' cray-cray. The Ruskies musta put something in his drink. It may not have killed him yet but it's definitely made him unable to think rationally.

Is Bo better than Ed Ruth?? Because baby Dean took out Ruth and has owned 184 for *two years straight.* Nickal is a beast but 184 belongs to Dean. Myles Martin also beat Bo when the lights were on. This is going to be the most exciting weight class!!
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Bo does't need to be better then Ed Ruth. Yea, Dean got him coming off that 30 day suspension however you seem to forget Ruth beat Dean in the national semis that year and pinned him earlier in the year. Also, for "owning 184" Dean just lost last season so using your convoluted logic Bo just needs to better then Nolan Boyd.
 
tikk10 said:
CP names only Bo, Dean, Martin as title contenders, and predicts Bo on top in March, reasoning that Bo poses matchup difficulties for Dean.

http://www.flowrestling.org/article/47744-184-ncaa-preview-and-predictions

1. Bo Nickal, Penn State
2. Gabe Dean, Cornell
3. Myles Martin, Ohio State
4. Timothy Dudley, Nebraska
5. Pat Downey, Iowa State
6. Zack Zavatsky, Virginia Tech
7. Sammy Brooks, Iowa
8. Nolan Boyd, Oklahoma State
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Bo will win 184...Just has to wrestle smart....He is the best pure wrestler...He has improved a lot too from what i am hearing....Crushing everyone in the upper weights including back and forth with Casey and Cael which is a major statement....Still would lkie to see him at 174....Oh well it won't matter...Just think he can get more bonus points on his way to the title....
 
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Bo does't need to be better then Ed Ruth. Yea, Dean got him coming off that 30 day suspension however you seem to forget Ruth beat Dean in the national semis that year and pinned him earlier in the year. Also, for "owning 184" Dean just lost last season so using your convoluted logic Bo just needs to better then Nolan Boyd.
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Dean didn't "get him coming off suspension.". His first match back was a dual vs. Courts, then Lofthouse in a dual, then lost to Dean in the Scuffle finals.

But, yeah, the entire notion that Bo must > Ed in order to beat Dean is ludicrous.

By that logic, Martin also must > Ed to beat Dean.
 
If Martin makes the usual jump in improvement that we typically see FR year to SO year in many upper-level wrestlers, then Top 3 would seem rational. However, if that improvement has not happened, then I do believe another parting of the Red Sea would be needed for him to get there.

Let's remember, too, that Martin probably performed better against Nickal than any of the top guys (on average). He was an 11-seed for a reason -- he just happens to be a tougher matchup for Bo (kinda like Jackson).

Regarding Nickal vs. Dean -- anything is possible, and whoever has better conditioning and can force the match into his own style will likely be the victor.
 
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Dean didn't "get him coming off suspension.". His first match back was a dual vs. Courts, then Lofthouse in a dual, then lost to Dean in the Scuffle finals.

But, yeah, the entire notion that Bo must > Ed in order to beat Dean is ludicrous.

By that logic, Martin also must > Ed to beat Dean.
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Yes, you are right, he came back against tOSU. Just looked it up, he had over 5 minutes riding time against Courts, lol. For some reason I thought he was out until the Scuffle. Still don't think he was 100% when he faced Dean. Probably the only time I recall Ed looking winded in a match.

Overall, I really don't know what to expect. 184 is so stacked; really a roll of the dice in my mind. I would still have Dean #1 until proven otherwise but it wouldn't shock me if he got knocked off.
 
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I'm biased, Dean is a kid I really pull for but he's also a two-time champion. I think Nickal lost his cool on the big stage. He might be an NCAA champion if he'd cut Martin earlier.

Nickel is a phenomenal wrestler, but if I were betting money I'd go with Dean.
 
ev_flores0331 said:
I'm biased, Dean is a kid I really pull for but he's also a two-time champion. I think Nickal lost his cool on the big stage. He might be an NCAA champion if he'd cut Martin earlier.

Nickel is a phenomenal wrestler, but if I were betting money I'd go with Dean.
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I wouldn't say lost his cool-I think he saw a chance to close out Martin with the throw. Risky as all get out, and he got caught, but gotta give him the credit for trying it.

That being said, I think Dean is more positionally solid than Martin, and will be a tougher matchup. Not even going to guess a winner at this point, but just for homer's sake will predict that Boyd beats them both :cool:
 
It wasn't the throw, it was that he didn't cut Martin earlier. I think he got desperate too early. Maybe he never needed that kind of situational awareness before because he techs or pins everyone.
 
I think it's cool that people can look at the same match and see different things. Probably has to do with how we were coached when we were young. Not necessarily right or wrong, just different!

What I am talking about is when Bo basically put himself on his back in the second, just for the record. Positioning wise, I think he extended himself too far, allowing the counter. Match wasn't at the point where that was necessary. Bad strategy? In hindsight, sure. But if it would have worked, Bo is ahead 6-4 (maybe 8-4) and could hammer from top. JMO
 
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It wasn't the throw, it was that he didn't cut Martin earlier. I think he got desperate too early. Maybe he never needed that kind of situational awareness before because he techs or pins everyone.
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With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, sure, but put yourself there at the time I don't think it was necessarily a mistake. He'd pinned Martin only two weeks prior, it's not as if turning him was definitely not going to happen, even though it didn't. He needed to make up a bunch of points and getting them back one at a time playing catch and release takes more out of you, I think, than turning for back points, if the latter is a decent possibility.
 
You live by the throw, you die by the throw. I think I said before NCAAs last year that Nickal should win it all unless he gets caught while attempting a throw. It happens but I wouldn't change a thing about how Bo wrestles. He's become one of the most exciting wrestlers to watch in the country and I, for one, appreciate wrestlers that aren't afraid to go for it!
 
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Bo reminds me of QW, one of my all time favorites, and he's one of the most exciting wrestlers to watch in the country. Definitely could have been a NC last year and I would never bet against him..
 
Annieat285 have talked about this a bunch. Bo didn't really look himself at Nationals last year. He seemed a little "off" throughout the tournament and didn't wrestle his best at any point, really. Not bad, though, to not be at your best and still make the finals as a freshman.
 
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Annieat285 have talked about this a bunch. Bo didn't really look himself at Nationals last year. He seemed a little "off" throughout the tournament and didn't wrestle his best at any point, really. Not bad, though, to not be at your best and still make the finals as a freshman.
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i didn't want to speculate that as I thought others would think we're simply making excuses. However, I certainly did not think he was on top of his game as he seemed worn a bit in the latter half of all matches... I do agree with the statement - that making the finals is one hell of an accomplishment, regardless.
 
This may very well have something to do with why he is at 184 this year.

Remember my son being in tears when Bo lost in the finals.
 
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