I would like to see Dayton come to PSU, however, after sitting behind him at last years NCAAs I would be shocked if he doesn't go to OSU. Entire family seemed committed to Ok St.
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This Fix thing reminds me a lot ofSpencer LeeMark Perry. Just saying.
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Daton still has a few more visits on his schedule, maybe Cael and company full court press didn't work! Daton is going the Mark Hall path when coming to his announcement. Good or bad, it works for me!
This Fix thing reminds me a lot of Spencer Lee. Just saying.
Not really. Lee is an in-state kid and a lot knowledgable and reasonable folks figured PSU had a great chance to land him. Conversely, Fix to PSU seems mostly wishful thinking at this point.
Good thread, all. I'd be careful comparing any two recruits as similar in any way...that's never the case. And my opinion is that we undervalue the "distance, Smith relationship, other relationships", as diceman put it in his earlier post.
"Distance" - I believe Daton's home town is about an hour from Stillwater. Much easier for family and friends to see him wrestle.
"Smith relationship" - Daton's dad Derek was a college team mate of John Smith.
"other relationships" - I'll leave this one alone, except to say Daton appears to have other reasons for staying close to home.
I do believe PSU's case is compelling, though. It's an outstanding room, maybe the best overall in the country when including the NLWC guys. The academics are favorable. The thought of wrestling in a line-up with some combination of Suriano, Cortez, Retherford, Nolf, Joseph, Manville, Rasheed, Hall, Nickal, Cassar, Nevills, and others...and win a team national championship, is gripping, imo.
"Distance" - I believe Daton's home town is about an hour from Stillwater. Much easier for family and friends to see him wrestle.
"Smith relationship" - Daton's dad Derek was a college team mate of John Smith.
"other relationships" - I'll leave this one alone, except to say Daton appears to have other reasons for staying close to home.
I do believe PSU's case is compelling, though. It's an outstanding room, maybe the best overall in the country when including the NLWC guys. The academics are favorable. The thought of wrestling in a line-up with some combination of Suriano, Cortez, Retherford, Nolf, Joseph, Manville, Rasheed, Hall, Nickal, Cassar, Nevills, and others...and win a team national championship, is gripping, imo.
All great points. I'd think spending some time with Mark Hall recently has to help us just a wee bit. He seems like a very wise young man who is a great ambassador for Cael's program. I also read that Daton and Gfeller are buds, so we have that working against us also.
Nice pull. Interesting quotes on Quentin, after he lost to Chris Perry:
You coached Quentin Wright against your brother at the FILA Junior Nationals. What was tougher: Coaching against your brother? Or wrestling against your uncles' wrestlers at Oklahoma State?
Perry: It was definitely wrestling against Oklahoma State. That was definitely a lot harder situation for me. Coaching against my brother is just part of the game. Deep down, my brother knows that I want him to have twice the amount of success I had. I was very close with Quentin Wright when I was at Penn State. It wasn't necessarily like a thing where I'm out to get my brother. When you're a coach, you're committed to your athletes. That's just how it falls. In the end, after the match, I spoke with Quentin and I spoke with my brother about mistakes and the things they need to fix if they want to get to the next level ... and we went from there. My brother knows that I'm his biggest supporter, so he didn't take it personally by any means.
Perry: It was definitely wrestling against Oklahoma State. That was definitely a lot harder situation for me. Coaching against my brother is just part of the game. Deep down, my brother knows that I want him to have twice the amount of success I had. I was very close with Quentin Wright when I was at Penn State. It wasn't necessarily like a thing where I'm out to get my brother. When you're a coach, you're committed to your athletes. That's just how it falls. In the end, after the match, I spoke with Quentin and I spoke with my brother about mistakes and the things they need to fix if they want to get to the next level ... and we went from there. My brother knows that I'm his biggest supporter, so he didn't take it personally by any means.
Also, not sure I've seen many pics of Mark Perry in PSU gear:
It's easy (and meaningless fun) to speculate about a recruit's choices when you don't know the recruit personally because much of the criteria feels objective (many of the choices can be generalized to the types of choices we all face in life) but for the recruit it's ultimately a personal choice and I have to think that those extensive home ties play a huge role for Fix. Because even where there's no external pressure being exerted on a recruit in Fix's situation, the recruit is likely going to impose his own--will leaving be viewed a betrayal? Or do I need to rebel against the expectations of others, perceived or otherwise, and define myself in a new place? Or is there a way to split the difference and keep everyone and me happy? Or maybe there's no pressure at all and it's as simple as home being an environment the recruit never wanted to leave to begin with, but, hey, sure I'll take a free plane trip to hang with the boys. Not pretending to know Fix but I can't imagine his choice being entirely pressure free because many of those pressures are universal.
My advice, anytime I discuss the future with anyone (youth and adults alike), is to always look forward. Ditch the baggage of the past, and ask yourself...Where do you want to be tomorrow? The next day? Next year? 5 years from now? 20 years from now? and so on.
Each of us has one life to live, and every decision affects our future. Use people you trust (parents, etc.), but understand this is not just a wrestling decision.
Each of us has one life to live, and every decision affects our future. Use people you trust (parents, etc.), but understand this is not just a wrestling decision.
I just wish my Hawks had the secret formula that Cal has to be able to get all these number one ranked guys at every weight and then still have money left to go and get more.
It's pretty easy, actually. Not every kid / parent is driven by how much money their kid can get. Some weigh more heavily where they think they will most likely realize their dreams.
Don't you mean "still had"? IIRC, once upon a time everyone lamented about Gable.I just wish my Hawks had the secret formula that Cal has to be able to get all these number one ranked guys at every weight and then still have money left to go and get more.
For the longest time Iowa did have the magic math skills to somehow value all scholarships as out-of-state despite residential status of athletes.
This made me curious:
School / Admission Rate / Ave SAT for 1600 scale
PSU / 55% / 1260
Iowa / 80% / 1210
OSU / 76% / 830 (wow!)
FM, very few people here take the SAT after their freshman year in high school. That probably warps the scale a bit. Not required in most places west of the Mississippi river, we use ACT.
I'm not about to argue that OSU is as good academically as PSU or Iowa (though it is very good in petroleum engineering), but there are a lot of problems with raw stats like those.
First, what are those rates among majors or colleges? We all know PSU has higher entry requirements for engineering.
Second, many states legally require their public colleges to accept a minimum number of students from each public HS, regardless of their application quality relative to the overall pool.
I suspect Oklahoma has that law, but do know for certain that Arizona does. Kids from dirt poor tribal areas like Kayenta and Page are not remotely as prepared for college as their counterparts from Scottsdale (and probably worse off than those from inner city Phoenix, South Tucson, etc.). Their legally mandated admission, for better or worse, necessarily drives down the admissions metrics for ASU and UA. But not for the engineering, science, or business schools -- those kids get stuffed into DUS until the schools can figure out what college to funnel them into.
According to Prep scholar.com the average ACT at OSU is 25 (on a scale of 1 to 36), PSU average is 27.
I'm sure Jammenz did quite well on his math portion. He is a master statistician! Always finding some selective stats to fit his Goofer narrative
I'm sure Jammenz did quite well on his math portion. He is a master statistician! Always finding some selective stats to fit his Goofer narrative
From the period of 1978 to 1979, Dan Gable's underachieving Iowa Hawkeyes only managed to win one measly national championship, while just in the incredibly short span of the first decade of this millennia, JRob's mighty Golden Gophers won 3 national championships
But Testa, J Rob was the only reason Iowa win that Championship in 78-79. Hahahahaha
Back when Jammen took it, geography was on the test. He regrets that it no longer is, and that today's Minnesota youth don't know the difference between Midwest and Mid-Atlantic.I'm sure Jammenz did quite well on his math portion. He is a master statistician! Always finding some selective stats to fit his Goofer narrative
A PSU is by far better !!!! My cousin who is a Dr. in Okla City and cowboy fan now even told me Fix would be crazy not to come to PSU for many reasons. He probably would not wanting me posting that but he knows a lot of negatives about Okla State where he graduated from,,,,,He said in the job world a PSU degree is very well respected. He is very good friends with the old Okla State wrestling trainer. They worked in a hospital for a few years together.
Nick Young, getting disrespected in the job world.
I hate to say I told you guys so, but Fix has himself in a real dilemma now.
Whatever you say. The fact is 830 on the SATs is borderline retarded, at least in PA it would be. And half the OSU students do worse than that.
Did the SAT scoring system change in the last however many years?
Because when I took it (admittedly, a while ago), the scoring range was 400-800 in both sections. So you got minimum 800 just by signing your name.
If that system is still in place, an entire university's average of 830 flunks the sniff test, badly.
The way that works (or at least used to work) is you start out with 200 points per section if you answer no questions; once you start answering questions incorrectly, your score dips below 200. This is to discourage randomly guessing as you're running out of time.
I won't mention names, but a guy I played on the all star team with got the lowest SAT score I think possible. Kid ended up playing for the NY Giants for a game or two.
