where he'll try to explain that UWW refereeing is actually excellent - it's just that we Americans are just too primitive and unsophisticated to understand the subtleties of high-level freestyle officiating
Foley's post Olympic mailbag should be fun
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Yea...He was splainin wrestling to Jay Borschel on Twitter. Jaybo made the same point you just did
Also he'll point out bad folkstyle stuff, to show how freestyle is good by comparison.
Wouldn't be shocked to see him pull out the Ian Miller card.
Oh, just now getting who you meant by my favorite initialed announcer ...
Probably because Timmy has repeatedly beclowned himself into being an afterthought.
He's saying crowd booing Americans started after Lochtegate.
Uh no TR. The Brazilian crowds have been trash since the opening gun - reducing the French pole vaulter to tears, jeering any athlete with the temerity to challenge a Brazilian.
Lochte is just a convenient excuse - they're using it to hide the actually real assaults on athletes, etc.
Uh no TR. The Brazilian crowds have been trash since the opening gun - reducing the French pole vaulter to tears, jeering any athlete with the temerity to challenge a Brazilian.
Lochte is just a convenient excuse - they're using it to hide the actually real assaults on athletes, etc.
You're assuming he does something so crass such as "beers and a ball game."
yeah your right...how about badminton and warm (not hot) tea?
I'm sure he's nicer if you remember to cut the edges off the finger sandwiches.
I mentioned this before in another thread, but I think FS has lost a considerable amount of excitement since mat wrestling has been almost eliminated. Matches often turn into two guys tying up and just pushing each other around the mat. Go to YouTube and pull up some of the freestyle matches from the 70's and 80's and you'll see a completely different style of wrestling.
I believe that the US guys benefited more from the mat wrestling compared to other countries, but don't think that they didn't know how to do it too. There are videos out there of guys like Yarygin and Beloglazov who were every bit as tough on the mat as they were on their feet.
BTW, Foley isn't old enough to remember this era, so he doesn't have the perspective that some of us geezers know about.
I believe that the US guys benefited more from the mat wrestling compared to other countries, but don't think that they didn't know how to do it too. There are videos out there of guys like Yarygin and Beloglazov who were every bit as tough on the mat as they were on their feet.
BTW, Foley isn't old enough to remember this era, so he doesn't have the perspective that some of us geezers know about.
Not sure when Foley became persona non grata, but I really don't have an issue with him. If anything, he seems to be a real fan of Cael and the "Penn State Style" (as opposed to certain other "styles").
Well, you guys do know that Foley works in promotions for the UWW. He's just doing his job.
And why not? The #NotLionAround Style is exciting and fun to watch...and, to boot, it works as your eleventh wrestler at Nationals every year, Mr. Bonus P. Oints.
Oooooh, yes. #Timsplainin really works for what he's been doing on twitter since joining UWW. He's so contrarian and so demeaning, he's really plummeted his personal brand. Beclowned himself indeed. But hey, has he earned himself an upside? Anybody have any idea what Asian Wrestling Twitter thinks of his takery?
Borschel handled it with hilarious deadpans: https://twitter.com/jayborschel/with_replies
Thanks for the tip! This might be the best one of his -- and it wasn't even aimed at Foley:
I don't dislike Foley as much as many (many) others but my eyes roll back in my head whenever he scolds everyone for not getting the rules, officiating, etc. because it's kind of the UWW's job (and possibly his even) to properly educate fans and I don't see much outreach along those lines. Worse is when he TimSplains that the obviously corrupt thing that we all just witnessed was something other than the s***show our eyes told us it was. He does engage with people so I give him credit there.
Criteria is difficult to follow during a match, even at the table I imagine. The on-screen score doesn't convey who holds criteria, though the clock at the mat does, and sometimes viewers get lucky enough that the camera pans over there. Not ideal. Lord knows I'm not about to trust what the newbie Aussie announcer has to say about it. The athletes shouldn't be confused about criteria, no, but it's inevitable that some will be, as was the case with J'den Cox. Maybe some of the blame for that is on the coaches for not explaining that a shot clock point > push out point (I always thought 1=1, 2=2, 4=4), but you have to admit that that's pretty non-intuitive and arbitrary as an exception to the otherwise sensible 1=1, 2=2, 4=4 criteria rule.
Criteria is difficult to follow during a match, even at the table I imagine. The on-screen score doesn't convey who holds criteria, though the clock at the mat does, and sometimes viewers get lucky enough that the camera pans over there. Not ideal. Lord knows I'm not about to trust what the newbie Aussie announcer has to say about it. The athletes shouldn't be confused about criteria, no, but it's inevitable that some will be, as was the case with J'den Cox. Maybe some of the blame for that is on the coaches for not explaining that a shot clock point > push out point (I always thought 1=1, 2=2, 4=4), but you have to admit that that's pretty non-intuitive and arbitrary as an exception to the otherwise sensible 1=1, 2=2, 4=4 criteria rule.
Freestyle, like Capri Pants on men, centigrade, Vespa scooters, and soccer's ridiculous and whimsical injury time, is a weak-minded European construct.
I love it when you break out your cultural flamethrower!
Now what do you think is going on in that one? It's getting harder to decipher the spirits of meaning these days.
Like, I'm pretty sure I got the spirit of Kyle Dake's tweet immediately after Adeline Gray looked like she was coasting at the end, not attacking, then lost:
The irony to me was that the spirit of his first tweet is a promotion of attack-first wrestling, never be defensive, always try to score. But the literal meaning of the tweet matches so perfectly with what we've seen in so many Kyle Dake matches: defense first, score when you can, defense after that, get to the end of the match with the lead, wrestle to win.
But I fail when applying the same analysis to Borschel's tweet about pushing. I'm leaning toward it being sarcasm, but he's such a straight shooter, I can also see him being legitimately publicly against what he's seen from the Hawkeyes lately. Count me as something like...80-20 or 75-25 that it was sarcasm. What do you guys think?
JB's second tweet is pretty funny. There was a time in the 1990s where it seemed the entire philosophy for Iowa on their feet was to collar tie and push the opponent out - then yell for stalling by the opponent and getting the referees to buy into the farce. I think they actually do it less now.
Don't get me going on Chopsticks and their limited utility!!!!!! But that's an Asian, not European thing, so not on point for this discussion
I give the guy his due for a remarkable NCAA record, but there's something I enjoy about a Dake-free tournament.
I believe there was a national final in the 80's between Iowa and penn state where that exact scenario played out
Borschel: I think he was leveraging Iowa's supposed reputation (deserved or otherwise) to make people think.
Dake: Different take -- I think he found his public sensitivity 1 tweet too late -- caught himself calling out Gray immediately after a loss and tried to backtrack it into a generality so he wouldn't come across as a jerk.
Really hope Dake figures out the tact thing. Agree 100% with Roy -- a Dake-free event is refreshing -- but the sport needs to leverage his accomplishments, and he could someday become a heckuva coach. Would be a shame if he self-sabotages that potential.
"On Tim Foley and the Use of Chopsticks in the SE Asian Twittersphere", my column:
