2024 U20 Worlds - September 2-8

[Nitlion1986]

VHS and most of the Iowa folks can’t let go of the outdated Gable era of box box box push push push, till you either beat the guy dizzy or get him gassed while coach is jumping around screaming for a stall. Why they want a pushout rule.

I do believe Brands believes he teaches the Gable style, and if so he is way wrong.
The style Brands teaches is to push, push, push and scream for a stall call call.
Gable's guys pushed the pace, attacked relentlessly, and at the edge they would push you out with an offensive shot. The single similarity is Gable wanted a stall called all the time also, but in defense of Gable's "heeesss stasalllin" versus Brands" whinnying is against Gable's wrestlers many times the other guy was legitimately stalling.

 

[FatWoodchuck]

I saw an article headline or something along those lines that read: why are so many wrestlers getting hurt against American wrestlers?. I did not read it as I really thought nothing of it but going back and watching Barrs final, I believe it is our folk style scrambling practices that is ailing the other wrestlers.

The Askren-ess that is so relevant in folk is not as so in free but still has its uses.

 

[Pennstate1985]

I saw an article headline or something along those lines that read: why are so many wrestlers getting hurt against American wrestlers?. I did not read it as I really thought nothing of it but going back and watching Barrs final, I believe it is our folk style scrambling practices that is ailing the other wrestlers.

The Askren-ess that is so relevant in folk is not as so in free but still has its uses.

That is an interesting take that I never thought about. Maybe our style of wrestling in close quarters in folk is not expected by the int'l community so they are both getting injured AND getting winded. It's taxing to be in constant contact with your opponent.

 

[El-Jefe]

For the people who feel compelled to re-re-re-re-re-hash the folk vs free debate in every freestyle tournament thread:

Free or Folk?

Every year it seems someone starts a thread during the D1 offseason and FS season about posters preferred style. So this offseason its been voted on that I should take a stab at it and see where everyone currently sits. its also raining so I have some time on my hands before leaving for the...

pennstate.forums.rivals.com

 

[Cstroke]

Folk/Free debate when both are hamstringed by ultimately the same thing..
Stalling not being called as often as it should be.
Both styles are incredibly fun to watch when the action is constant.

 

[SlipperyPete12]

U20 Final Recap

57kg - Luke Lilledahl (PSU recruit)
R32: Bye
R16: Luke Lilledahl TECH Kabe Matjanov (TKM) 10-0 (1:05)
QF: Luke Lilledahl DEC Ankush Ankush (IND) 4-3
SF: Luke Lilledahl DEC Hayko Gasparyan (ARM) 4-1
Gold: Luke Lilledahl DEC Lev Pavlov (AIN) 2-1
Luke Lilledahl wins Gold

61kg - Marcus Blaze (uncommitted)
R32: Marcus Blaze FALL (1:15) Dohyung Kim (KOR)
R16: Marcus Blaze TECH Amir Hamayun (TKM) 11-1 (2:45)
QF: Marcus Blaze DEC Jamal Abbasov (AZE) 7-1
SF: Masanosuke Ono (JPN) DEC Marcus Blaze 7-2
Bronze: Marcus Blaze DEC Tolga Ozbek (TUR) 5-0
Marcus Blaze wins Bronze

65kg - Bo Bassett (uncommitted)
R32: Bo Bassett TECH Valentyn Hryhoryshyn (UKR) 19-8 (5:28)
R16: Bo Bassett FALL (2:01) Dzmitry Shvarts (AIN)
QF: Bo Bassett FALL (3:46) Yadav Pilanagoila (IND)
SF: Makoto Hosokawa (JPN) TECH Bo Bassett 10-0 (45-sec)
Bronze: Bo Bassett TECH Nikoloz Beshidze (GEO) 10-0 (2:19)
Bo Bassett wins Bronze

70kg - PJ Duke (PSU recruit)
R32: PJ Duke TECH Zelimkhan Mutsukhaev (POL) 10-0 (47-sec)
R16: PJ Duke TECH Aden Sakybaev (KGZ) 10-0 (4:16)
QF: PJ Duke TECH Ankh Altangerel (MGL) 12-1 (4:39)
SF: Magomed Baitukaev (AIN) DEC PJ Duke 5-5 (criteria win)
Bronze: PJ Duke TECH Aikyn Bolatuly (KAZ) 18-7 (4:30)
PJ Duke wins Bronze

74kg - Ladarion Lockett (OKST recruit)
R32: Ladarion Lockett FALL (4:33) Baitemir Tuleberdiev (KGZ)
R16: Ladarion Lockett DEC Tamir Eshinimaev (AIN) 6-0
QF: Ladarion Lockett TECH Gaurav Gaurav (IND) 11-0 (2:18)
SF: Ladarion Lockett DEC Aghanazar Novruzov 3-1
Gold: Ali Rezaeiaghouzgeleh (IRI) DEC Ladarion Lockett 3-3 (criteria win)
Ladarion Lockett wins Silver

79kg - Zack Ryder (PSU recruit)
R32: Zack Ryder TECH Jinju Li (CHN) 10-0 (2:28)
R16: Zack Ryder TECH Leandro Araujo (BRA) 11-0 (3:40)
QF: Zack Ryder TECH Paulius Lescauskas (LTU) 11-0 (2:31)
SF: Zack Ryder DEC Said Saidulov (AIN) 6-3
Gold: Alp Begenjov (TKM) DEC Zack Ryder 5-0
Zack Ryder wins Silver

86kg - Josh Barr (PSU recruit)
R32: Bye
R16: Josh Barr TECH Sachin Sachin (IND) 10-0 (41-sec)
QF: Josh Barr TECH Ryogo Asano (JPN) 10-0 (1:43)
SF: Josh Barr TECH Ahmet Yagan (TUR) 10-0 (2:49)
F: Ibragim Kadiev (AIN) DEC Josh Barr 8-2
Josh Barr wins Silver

92kg - Connor Mirasola (PSU recruit)
R32: Connor Mirasola TECH Grigori Tomaili (MDA) 10-0 (3:47)
R16: Connor Mirasola TECH Soltan Begenjov (TKM) 14-4 (4:27)
QF: Connor Mirasola DEC Oleh Taison (UKR) 9-4
SF: Sali Saliev (BUL) DEC Connor Mirasola 5-4
Bronze: Anar Jafarli DEC Connor Mirasola 4-2
Connor Mirasola takes 5th place

97kg - Justin Rademacher (OSU Beavers recruit)
R32: Justin Rademacher DEC Shakhman Nukhaev (AIN) 8-0
R16: Justin Rademacher TECH Genki Hoki (JPN) 10-0 (5:18)
QF: Justin Rademacher DEC Ramini Gulitashvili (GEO) 4-0
SF: Rizabek Aitmukhan (KAZ) DEC Justin Rademacher 9-1
Bronze: Justin Rademacher TECH Nikolaos Karavanos (GRE) 10-0 (2:38)
Justin Rademacher wins Bronze

125kg - Ben Kueter (Iowa recruit)
R32: Bye
R16: Ben Kueter DEC Alikhan Kussainov (KAZ) 7-0
QF: Ben Kueter FALL (27-sec) Stsiapan Mandryk (AIN)
SF: Ben Kueter TECH Nambardagva Batbayar (MGL) 13-3 (4:27)
Gold: Amirreza Masoumi (IRI) DEC Ben Kueter 4-2
Ben Kueter wins Silver

 

[RandyL]

Thanks fellas.
And now we can return to what is really important ... recruiting.
We'll see if the belief re Blaze's commitment was accurate.

 

[Pitchfork Rebel]

Naw. Give me the Olympic/world finals over NCAAs all day.

We have stoppages too remember?

"Naw" is again a personal preference. You're free to have a preference, but that's not objective evidence.

Here let me give you an example since the concept, because you seem bound and determined to ignore the idea.

Admittedly this is a deficiency of the stupidity of the IOC and not freestyle in general, but it's all the same transnational athletic bureaucratic rats nest at work. to me.

Six (6) Olympic weight classes but ten (10) international classes.

Men's freestyle wrestling​

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• 57 kg (125 lbs)
• 61 kg (134 lbs) (non-Olympic class)
• 65 kg (143 lbs)
• 70 kg (154 lbs) (non-Olympic class)
• 74 kg (163 lbs)
• 79 kg (174 lbs) (non-Olympic class)
• 86 kg (190 lbs)
• 92 kg (203 lbs) (non-Olympic class)
• 97 kg (214 lbs)
• 125 kg (276 lbs)

What's the point of competing at 61, 70, 79 or 92 kg if it's forcing you to go up or down to a weight that rags you out or up to a weight where there's simply opponents who are more naturally suited to the weight? DT vs. AB is a perfect example.

If it comes to pass that at 35ish DT still has enough gas in the tank and comes back as rumored (at 79KG) and he wins a WC, why should he have had to compete at 86Kg for the Olympics?

 

[BigFella235]

Reading through the match notes from the USA Wrestling tweets, I was frustrated by the constant “medical timeouts” by several of the US opponents. To me it’s eerily similar to Kolat’s run at Worlds where his opponent’s shoe laces magically came untied over and over. UWW really should implement a rule similar to what the NCAA has where your opponent gets choice. That cold spray is as much of a farce as their “injury”.

 

[El-Jefe]

Reading through the match notes from the USA Wrestling tweets, I was frustrated by the constant “medical timeouts” by several of the US opponents. To me it’s eerily similar to Kolat’s run at Worlds where his opponent’s shoe laces magically came untied over and over. UWW really should implement a rule similar to what the NCAA has where your opponent gets choice. That cold spray is as much of a farce as their “injury”.

Or: if you require cold spray, your opponent gets to apply it on you.

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

 

[BigFella235]

Or: if you require cold spray, your opponent gets to apply it on you.

Preferably directly in their eyes right before the restart

 

[horraybeer]

Naw. Give me the Olympic/world finals over NCAAs all day.

We have stoppages too remember?

When you wrestled for Iowa did you like Folk?

 

[LOTOlion]

We have evidence to the contrary and your ipse dixit in support.

Freestyle is the better product the way Pizza Hut is the best pizza. It's everywhere and consumed in the absence of an alternative.

I like Casey’s pizza over the hut

 

[El-Jefe]

Preferably directly in their eyes right before the restart

 

[RB-Old]

Bookmark this comment. It should be pulled every time somebody tells us how exciting freestyle is and that folk is boring.

Freestyle sucks, the only reason I watch is because there is no folkstyle going on.

 

[vhsalum]

VHS and most of the Iowa folks can’t let go of the outdated Gable era of box box box push push push, till you either beat the guy dizzy or get him gassed while coach is jumping around screaming for a stall. Why they want a pushout rule.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. There’s NO ONE that’s been a bigger hater of the brands style. I’ve said it on multiple occasions it’s a bastardized half-life on gable’s coaching.

and why would I necessarily want a pushout in folk? It damn sure wouldn’t be because brands is putting multiple hawks on world teams year over year and winning medals.

I do want a pushout in folk. But not because I believe it would help the Hawks. Cuz they sure as fvk don’t seem to carry it over to FS.

 

[El-Jefe]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. There’s NO ONE that’s been a bigger hater of the brands style. I’ve said it on multiple occasions it’s a bastardized half-life on gable’s coaching.

and why would I necessarily want a pushout in folk? It damn sure wouldn’t be because brands is putting multiple hawks on world teams year over year and winning medals.

I do want a pushout in folk. But not because I believe it would help the Hawks. Cuz they sure as fvk don’t seem to carry it over to FS.

If you peruse the Free vs Folk debate thread (which I bumped today, so it should be on Page 1), you'll see a number of people consider the pushout to be some irresistible supernatural force which all highly trained D1 college wrestlers inevitably fall victim to.

Never mind that said wrestlers have trained in freestyle since youth, and therefore have adapted to the pushout rule and know how to avoid giving up that point.

So feel free to carry on your point, even though it's as futile as resisting the pushout itself.

 

[The Japanese Whizzer]

VHS and most of the Iowa folks can’t let go of the outdated Gable era of box box box push push push, till you either beat the guy dizzy or get him gassed while coach is jumping around screaming for a stall. Why they want a pushout rule.

Freestyle has grown on me. There are improvements they could make like limiting points off at a leg lace. Compared to folkstyle you have no camping on the edge or backing off the mat without penalty, shot clock for passivity, no 2mins of the ankle ride, someone is always winning, two judges, red and blue vs red and green for the colorblind

 

[The Japanese Whizzer]

That is an interesting take that I never thought about. Maybe our style of wrestling in close quarters in folk is not expected by the int'l community so they are both getting injured AND getting winded. It's taxing to be in constant contact with your opponent.

Bo was called for pulling on the ankle on a scramble. I think that was the infraction, international refereeing is a language of its own. It was just a warning but the ref didn’t like it

 

[Pitchfork Rebel]

Freestyle has grown on me. There are improvements they could make like limiting points off at a leg lace. Compared to folkstyle you have no camping on the edge or backing off the mat without penalty, shot clock for passivity, no 2mins of the ankle ride, someone is always winning, two judges, red and blue vs red and green for the colorblind

Just strategic shoe tying and more clever forms of stalling.

When something weird is growing on you, get some Defense Soap or better yet see a doc for Rx strength tolnaftate.

 

[LOTOlion]

Freestyle has grown on me.

Well of course it has, you’re Japanese

 

[Pennstate1985]

If you peruse the Free vs Folk debate thread (which I bumped today, so it should be on Page 1), you'll see a number of people consider the pushout to be some irresistible supernatural force which all highly trained D1 college wrestlers inevitably fall victim to.

Never mind that said wrestlers have trained in freestyle since youth, and therefore have adapted to the pushout rule and know how to avoid giving up that point.

So feel free to carry on your point, even though it's as futile as resisting the pushout itself.

There is a difference between practicing freestyle every day for 15 years and practicing freestyle every summer for 15 years. That should go without saying. If you are saying that the instincts of a wrestler immersed in freestyle daily after 15 years is the same as the other, then we will agree to disagree. Knowing how to avoid a pushout and actually avoiding a pushout often comes down to practice to build the instinct.

 

[donboy6499]

We have evidence to the contrary and your ipse dixit in support.

Freestyle is the better product the way Pizza Hut is the best pizza. It's everywhere and consumed in the absence of an alternative.

Whoa, Pizza Hut out here taking strays.

 

[donboy6499]

Reading through the match notes from the USA Wrestling tweets, I was frustrated by the constant “medical timeouts” by several of the US opponents. To me it’s eerily similar to Kolat’s run at Worlds where his opponent’s shoe laces magically came untied over and over. UWW really should implement a rule similar to what the NCAA has where your opponent gets choice. That cold spray is as much of a farce as their “injury”.

I think you may be on to something here.

Injury time = Down in Par Terre?

 

[El-Jefe]

There is a difference between practicing freestyle every day for 15 years and practicing freestyle every summer for 15 years. That should go without saying. If you are saying that the instincts of a wrestler immersed in freestyle daily after 15 years is the same as the other, then we will agree to disagree. Knowing how to avoid a pushout and actually avoiding a pushout often comes down to practice to build the instinct.

You're missing the point. It's not about US wrestlers in freestyle against international wrestlers. It's about US wrestlers in folk against other US wrestlers.

The point is that several people think a pushout rule in folk is an inevitable Iowa shove-fest, despite the fact that the other US wrestlers have trained for many years on how to avoid boundary issues and force action back to center with that very rule. The folk boundary rule is the problem.

 

[Hotshoe]

FS is still the better product.

But I agree the stoppages have been atrocious this tournament. And the refs haven’t done enough.

At first I was ok with unlimited injury time - simply because Americans don’t abuse it.

But there definitely needs to be a time limit and penalties for multiple stoppages

Pretty sure, there's been a run on cold spray like there was on toilet paper during the pandemic. Some of these matches are almost unwatchable with all the stalling.

 

[vhsalum]

Pretty sure, there's been a run on cold spray like there was on toilet paper during the pandemic. Some of these matches are almost unwatchable with all the stalling.

absolutely agree with you. It was pretty bad. Usually the refs have a better control on this. But with unlimited injury time and timeouts - this can happen.

I'd like them to close the loop hole.

Max injury time: 3 minutes

1st injury stoppage: no penalty

2nd injury stoppage: caution and CHOICE of par terre or feet (Americans likely wouldn't choose top)

3rd injury stoppage: Injury default. You're clearly too hurt to continue wrestling.

 

[Cstroke]

I think they need to adopt the whirly bird...
Whirly bird mixed with cold spray?? Tell me that wouldn't be gold...

 

[Pitchfork Rebel]

Well of course it has, you’re Japanese

 

[Pitchfork Rebel]

absolutely agree with you. It was pretty bad. Usually the refs have a better control on this. But with unlimited injury time and timeouts - this can happen.

I'd like them to close the loop hole.

Max injury time: 3 minutes

1st injury stoppage: no penalty

2nd injury stoppage: caution and CHOICE of par terre or feet (Americans likely wouldn't choose top)

3rd injury stoppage: Injury default. You're clearly too hurt to continue wrestling.

So this is the "better product"?

Geez, I hope you aren't a lawyer.

 

[PSU Mike]

Podium seems realistic, but finals is really tall task this year. Returning: Kerk, Hendrickson, Bastida, Feldman, Schultz among others. He'd have to beat two of them in the quarters and semis.

Kueter won two close matches against Mullen at Trials (5-3 and 5-4). Mullen is probably not the best HWT at VT, and around the 4th or 5th best HWT in the ACC. So there's a lot of work for Kueter to be an NCAA Finalist this March.

Worth watching …

 

[zzs006]

I just read that Masoumi broke his wrist not too long before this tournament. It’s supposedly why he wasn’t near as aggressive and wrestled more tactical matches. He said he couldn’t use his underhooks like usual because he didn’t want to hurt it further. Makes sense why he was wrestling differently and even more impressive him winning with such a severe injury

 

[LOTOlion]

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Dang I miss the 80’s 🤣

 

[BrockBronson]

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These are all amazing interviews. When we land Blaze and Bo, adding to rest of the posse, psu could be as strong as ever.

 

[BrockBronson]

It's a little surprising that 50% of the U20 team is already at or committed to PSU. That has to help in recruiting the two uncommitted wrestlers on the team. I hope we get both Bo & Blaze!

Greatest Junior team of all time with over half from one PSU. We are sitting good!

 

[Pitchfork Rebel]

Dang I miss the 80’s 🤣

Every single minute of every single day.

I really liked this reminder from six years ago:

 

[Pennstate1985]

 

[Pennstate1985]

Where is PJ, or is this just guys currently enrolled?

 

[zzs006]

Where is PJ, or is this just guys currently enrolled?

Definitely just the guys enrolled. Is PJ moving down for his senior season to train at the NLWC/M2 or is he staying in NY?