For those that believe the B1G has it on for PSU
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Not trying to start anything, but I've seen this quote appear many times. Could you please provide a reference that lists who was involved and when it took place?
I spent as much time searching as I am willing to. This was the game (https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay/_/gameId/313300275), and the bullshit unsportsmanlike conduct penalty happened at 13:36 of the second quarter, when our QB spiked the ball after they blew a false start whistle and the defense continued to rush. All of the articles I found are behind paywalls, including this one: https://www.thetimes-tribune.com/20...-bradley-ready-to-go-about-business-as-usual/
Interesting illustration, never saw SOS displayed that way before. One thing that this makes clear is how rare it is for upset victories. This is the thing the Franklin haters like to harp on but as seen here nobody is winning those games. The only reason Franklin has so many is due to tenure, coaches of most of these schools don't last for 10 years to accrue the same poor win % as an underdog against ranked and top 10 teams.A bit involved, but h ere is diagram showing the relative in-conference SOS of each B1G team. Reading the rows, teams with a lot of colored boxes on the left have a harder schedule than teams with a lot of colored boxes on the right.
I'd probably group teams into tiers in this illustration, both by current team performance and maybe by expected or historical performance coming into the season. Historical Tier 1s would be OSU, UM, PSU, USC and maybe Oregon, although I might consider them Tier 1b. I fully expect that some of the bottom teams would end up playing more games against top tier conference opponents simply because the top teams most likely told the Big 10 they will not accept playing more than 2 such games in a season unless all of their peer programs also have to do the same in order to level the playing field. The easiest way out of that argument is for the Big 10 to limit the top programs to a max of 2 or 3 games against tier 1 opponents per season. It's also in the conferences best interest to do so, in order to best position their tier 1 programs to make the playoffs which is the exposure the conference wants and brings in more CFP allocation money.
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If memory serves I think it was McGloin claiming the ref said it after we were ruled not to have gotten a TD against Nebraska in what was incorrectly ruled a fumble right on the goal line. This is the play in question. IIRC the ref was John O'Neill, of course.
I don’t think most people think the whole conference is rigged, but officials and league officials are human and they certainly have preferences and biases both positive and negative. So if one team has more negative opinions toward them because they were never wanted in the league, or because of their coach, or because of a scandal, then certainly you can see where some calls and decisions would go against them. We’re dealing with humans not computers.
No, the incident I cited happened in Wisconsin, but McGloin had something to say about that non-fumble against Nebraska in 2012 too. O'Neil both times, but the Suckeye told us that there is nothing to see here.
McGloin: 'We're not going to get that call ever'
LINCOLN, Neb. — Matt McGloin left his response open to interpretation, but he didn’t hold much back during his postgame interview.The senior quarterback was the first Penn State player to
No sir, I can’t see that.
You and several others are questioning the integrity of people who have worked long and hard to reach a high level in their chosen vocation.
Do you have any proof of a preconceived plan by these officials to screw PSU when the opportunity arose?
Or are you just reacting to a personal bias every time something bad happens to the PSU football team?
Every fan can cite a litany of bad calls against their team over the years. Funny that they never mention the bad calls that go in favor of their chosen team.
Officiating is part of most team sports. It’s a human endeavor, so it won’t be perfect. It’s up to both teams to adapt to the way their game is being called and overcome any bad break they face in their game. If coaches at all levels aren’t teaching that, they are doing their players a major disservice.
The quote in question was during the Wisconsin game that year. A PSU player asked a ref about a call and the ref replied that PSU was 'lucky to be playing'. I remember hearing about it (though I wasn't on the field, obviously), but if it's made up then it was a viral fabrication that thousands of us imagined at once.No, the incident I cited happened in Wisconsin, but McGloin had something to say about that non-fumble against Nebraska in 2012 too. O'Neil both times, but the Suckeye told us that there is nothing to see here.
McGloin: 'We're not going to get that call ever'
LINCOLN, Neb. — Matt McGloin left his response open to interpretation, but he didn’t hold much back during his postgame interview.The senior quarterback was the first Penn State player towww.psucollegian.com
In that same game McGloin was running a play it was blown dead for delay of game. McGloin was winding up to throw when the whistle blew, so he instead spiked the ball into the ground. The official called a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for that. Players do it all the time, mind you.
After the Nebraska game the following season (highlight in a post above) when McGloin was asked about the play (ruled a fumble - but was is after the ball crossed the plane of the goal line?) said there was no way PSU would ever get a call like that.
An interesting idea that would work most of the time. This is one year where it would have maybe not worked as well because both UM and USC underperformed compared to expectations.
It's going to be an issue year-after-year in these 16+ team conferences with no divisions, how do you balance the schedules out?
Doesn’t matter how long and hard they worked, it doesn’t overcome personal preferences….thats just human nature. And I never said it was a preconceived plan…in fact I said it wasn’t….but I said there are biases for and against teams and coaches by all officials, it’s human nature. I worked with a guy who used to be a college basketball referee…I asked him which coach he thought was the biggest jerk he ever reffed for…he said Digger Phelps….guess which coach he gave the most technicals to. That had nothing to do with integrity or ability and everything to do with personal feelings. It’s impossible to take personal feelings out of officiating, sorry you just can’t.
Another instance of officials favoring OSU.
www.elevenwarriors.com
Video is inside the article. No penalty called.
Ryan Day Says Jeremiah Smith is “Good to Go,” Ohio State Waiting for Response from Big Ten on Ankle-Twisting Tackle By Northwestern’s Robert Fitzgerald
Ryan Day said Ohio State is awaiting a response from the Big Ten on Northwestern’s ankle-twisting tackle of Jeremiah Smith but said Smith is good to go for this week’s game.
Video is inside the article. No penalty called.
It was a tackle. Was it in the morning's e-newsletter that every resident of Ohio was legally obligated to piss and moan on the internet all week? Here is an example of a legitimately dirty play:Another instance of officials favoring OSU.
Ryan Day Says Jeremiah Smith is “Good to Go,” Ohio State Waiting for Response from Big Ten on Ankle-Twisting Tackle By Northwestern’s Robert Fitzgerald
Ryan Day said Ohio State is awaiting a response from the Big Ten on Northwestern’s ankle-twisting tackle of Jeremiah Smith but said Smith is good to go for this week’s game.
Video is inside the article. No penalty called.
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When Smith's shoulder was on the ground and the play was over the Northwestern player was clearly twisting his ankle.
1. I watched Smith, and he is dirty: He grabs and pushes and sets picks.
2. There was literally nothing egregious in that video, even in super slow motion. Is he supposed to release his grip when Smith could be on top of a defender, and pop back up?
Officials in this conference "let em play" don't they?? Or is OSU the only team allowed to mug guys?
Letting them play doesn't include intentionally injuring somebody which is what the northwestern player was trying to do. Putting aside the immorality of what the northwestern player was trying to do, it still shows an instance where Ohio State didn't get a call it should have gotten.
Apparently, you are not watching the same video that I watched. You can clearly see the player in the back grabbing JJ's foot and trying to twist the ankle after the play is over. And in fact, JJ's ankle was injured on the play although apparently not that seriously.
Thoughts and prayers. When is the candlelight vigil?
Once again, it was a tackle, and the defender landed on his back. Funny I haven't seen you comment on the picture I posted above.
Dirty hit. Same as Northwestern player who twisted JJ's ankle after he was down, which you in your fantasy world don't acknowledge.
mgk "There was literally nothing egregious in that video, even in super slow motion. Is he supposed to release his grip when Smith could be on top of a defender, and pop back up?" In your fantasy world JJ could be on top of NW player when the video shows the other player is clearly to the side of JJ and he is on the ground as dirty player tries to injure JJ>
Speaking of refs. I wear I heard during one one of the PSU games that Witvoet was a replay official. Can that possibly be true? My issue with that guy wasn't bias, it was /is his gross incompetence
Why are you here? And worse yet whining about some play that didn't go Ohio State's way. There is no conspiracy against PSU.
Listen to rational fans but better yet get on an OSU forum and pay for it if you have to. Stop being so cheap.
Maybe it’s not that the schedules are “weak” but rather that the top Big Ten teams are so good that they’ve made decent middle of pack Big Ten teams look more mediocre than they are. Maybe a bunch of those 5/6/7 win teams would have and extra 1 or 2 wins if OU/IU/tOSU/PSU weren’t so good.
I am not whining about the play. I am just pointing out to some Penn State fans who think that everything goes Ohio state's way that such is not the case.
This is nuts. No one knew Indiana would be 10-0 at this point, so they couldn't have foreseen that PSU shouldn't play them. No one thought USC would be this bad, so they couldn't have foreseen that scheduling USC would help.
Why Penn State enjoys ideal CFP bracket spot, playing chess to Ohio State's checkers
Penn State could earn No. 6 seed in the College Football Playoff bracket, without playing the Big Ten championship game. Now, that's a chess move.www.yahoo.com
In the first year of the expanded B1G and playoffs, PSU was given a gift of a schedule. Granted scheduling is always, to some extent, the luck of the draw.
OSU will have played 3 top 5 matchups this season. No one could have projected that to be the case when their schedule was created.
Correct. The conclusion that I draw is that the B1G is not biased towards Penn State, nor anyone else.
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Your mom gave you lots of enemas, didn't she.
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