For those who want big events at The Beav
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and the article says the turf is ready for use. The Beav is often reputed as having some of the best turf. If the turf is truly ready and won't rip up too much easier than what was there, who cares if they have to replace it for 34K?
If it isn't as good, that could impact a game so I'd
hope the Athletic Department will be careful with scheduling.
You would think our world-renowned turf grass department would be involved in some capacity. Have we always used Kentucky Bluegrass as the exclusive seed? Always thought it was a blend.
Going over your head if you are noting the cost and not the fact the field was ripped up a few weeks before the season starts.
The cost of new sod is irrelevant.
The cost of new sod is irrelevant.
Simply add a clause in the contract for any event management companies. Either they maintain the integrity of the turf or pay $35k to replace it. Problem solved.
Will the new turf take in a month or so? That doesn't seem like a very long time for the sod to get strongly rooted. Of course, I know nothing about it.
Right, you're a wood floor kind of guy. Please stay in your wheelhouse of expertise...
Great photo of an amazing venue. That shot would bring tears to LionJim's eyes.Right, you're a wood floor kind of guy. Please stay in your wheelhouse of expertise...
Here's more detailed info from when we replaced the turf in October 2015. The previous time the turf was replaced? The days leading up to the tOSU game in 2005:
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/101515aaf.html
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/101515aaf.html
These guys know what they're doing. Major difference with 2015. After the 2015 game with Illinois, there were no games on the field for another three weeks. In 2017, there will be three consecutive games on it.
I too was always under the impression that Beaver Stadium was the turf grass department's sort of ultimate laboratory. Perhaps the NJ company is owned by alumni - you know how they always reach out to embrace their own
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I too was always under the impression that Beaver Stadium was the turf grass department's sort of ultimate laboratory. Perhaps the NJ company is owned by alumni - you know how they always reach out to embrace their own
Having a turf grass program and laboratory/research facilities is not the same as having a turf grass production facility. One trip to the turf grass plots and you would know that Penn State wasn't producing the turf for,Beaver Stadium.
The point of this concert was not to be profitable. It was merely a logistical dry run in order to be able to assess the economic feasability of any future event.
That makes no sense. How can the " economic feasability(sic)" be assessed if there is no profit-making objective?
Wow. Wood floor kind of guy. That's the ultimate compliment, artsandletters.Right, you're a wood floor kind of guy. Please stay in your wheelhouse of expertise...
Perhaps, but there's nothing in the company's info that indicates as much. In addition, there is an alumni map for PSU graduates of the Turfgrass Science program, and it does not show any alums in the area of the turf farm in NJ that supplied the grass.
FWIW, the turf farm in NJ has been in the same family since 1931. It started switching from traditional crops to turf in 1967, and was fully in sod by 1969. The farm moved to its current location in 1980.
I've been to the turf farm a few times -- it is huge, and quite impressive -- but I don't know the owners. Currently, it's owned by 2 brothers, who bought out the rest of the family in 1980. They, along with their 4 sons, run the company.
that's not much of an issue. the sod takes root in 10-14 days. The turf farm that PSU used is the same farm that provides turf for most pro stadiums in the Northeast USA. They have frequently replaced portion of pro stadiums in the middle of seasons.
From what I remember of his post many years ago, AustinNit won't be able to put any big event in the Beav.
I imagine this was in the contract to replace the turf or parts of it afterwards if there was "damage"
So they ended up doing it. Someone made money by exercising this option so it happened.
I doubt there was a true need to replace all this turf.
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??Wow. Wood floor kind of guy. That's the ultimate compliment, artsandletters.
Thanks, I guess.
Again, the point of this concert was not to make money. The point of this concert was to get an idea of the logistics and costs involved with hosting a concert. This is why they didn't try to host a big concert and went with a smaller show. It is hard to get an accurate estimate for something that was never done before. This was a scrimmage that will be evaluated to determine if they are able to or want to play a game against real competition.
The whole point of doing these events is to make money for the athletic department. I believe what the poster was saying was that this specific event didn't need to make money. It was a test run... learn about demand/marketing, how to run the event, what facilities adjustments needed to be made, staffing needs, talent needs, etc. an opportunity to make mistakes and learn without having a profit number they needed to make. Obviously I'm sure they would want some sort of profit, or at least not lose money, but that wasn't the primary concern for the first event.
In 2015 they replaced the field using the same company on October 15 and the field held up fine for the game on October 31. Typical sod rolls are contain only 1/4 inch of soil. That why most say it takes 2 month for roots. The farm Penn State uses is one is able to cut 1and 3/4 inches deep which years ago like the replacement in 1993. This allows for the surface to be playable almost immediately.
They should hold a private concert after the season for all of the season ticket holders that were put through that shitstorm this year. Just got mine today. 3 days before the season starts! 3 days!
Obviously they had problems. But... did the lateness of the tickets prevent you from going to the game? Did the lateness of the tickets detract from your enjoyment of the game? Did the lateness of receiving the tickets ruin the season for you? Let's keep it in perspective.
It takes around 70,000 square feet of sod to do the entire stadium. The sod for prior installation came from Tuckahoe Turf Farms in Hammonton, NJ, so I'm guessing they got it from the same place for the most recent re-sodding.
Exactly. Just like the main point of a scrimmage is to try things and learn, not necessarily to outscore your opponent.
Seriously? I can't imagine what the business you run looks like if you think that way.
This was a concert...held in a stadium. It's not like something like this hasn't done before. If you're Penn State and you haven't done it before (but you have on a smaller sale and in a different venue) you see what those that have do and you copy it. Sure you'll need to make adjustments for the peculiarities of your particular situation, but if you don't have it down between 97-98% you are totally ****ing hopeless. And if you do it without a profit target then you are even worse than that.
It sounds like you got your tickets 3 days before they were needed, so what's the problem?
Completely different surfaces. This is the same kind turf they have had since 2005. Heinz field has two problems. One was they used too much sand previously. They have since reduced the amount of sand in the soil and the field has held up much better. Secondly Heinz field see over three times the amount of games as beaver stadium. You have at minimum 10 NFL games, 7 college games, and 4 high school games in one day. The narrow hash marks in the NFL concentrates the wear on the turf even more. So to try and compare the two fields is absolutely ridiculous.
The athletic department ran this event, correct? They did it in conjunction with an outside agency who was probably mostly responsible for procuring the talent and providing guidance. What concert events have the athletic department run before? Remember, the concerts at the BJC are not run by the athletic department. They don't own, nor even run, that facility. I'm sure they were able to draw on some of that expertise, although those employees don't work for athletics, but you're talking apples and oranges. The BJC was built for concerts. The infrastructure needed for lighting, power for sound, stages, seating, dressing rooms, etc. are all in place, along with a set of procedures for organizing it, handling the talent, etc. None of that was at the stadium, and the employees that run the BJC are presumedly well versed in doing things at that facility, but not necessarily in other facilities, especially ones not built to hold major concerts, let alone having ever hosted a single concert. There were probably costs incurred this time around that won't have to be incurred in the future if they do it again.
I'm sure their profit target was don't lose any money. How's that? I have no doubt athletics wanted to make money on the event. But I doubt they budgeted for it, or were considering it a source of revenue this year that they were counting on.
If Sandy hired consultants to study the feasibility of holding concerts in the stadium, you'd probably be complaining about that expenditure. So this was a real life expenditure to gather the same knowledge, with ticket sales to offset it.
I can't imagine the business you run if you never venture out and try new things, take risks, or do anything that you don't have down 97-98% before you attempt it.
With due respect to mr. Mancuso the turf was replaced prior to the Minnesota game in 2005 when the team was at Northwestern not in between the Minnesota and Ohio State game factually inaccurate
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